HPM inline power socket

[Metro]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/03/2011 4:46 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/03/2011 3:51 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 3/03/2011 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to
fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight
as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a
springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

After a lot of fiddling, I've managed to achieve a workable
attachment,
which will be OK given my intended use. However, there's no way I'd
want
to give the resulting cable to someone else, because I'd have no
confidence that it will remain secure in the long term.

Sylvia.

Sylvia. Why don't you contact HPM and inform of your problem? Unless of
course you are too embarrassed. I and my colleagues have wired hundreds
of
the bloody things. Agreed they could be a tad better, but really they
are
not that much of a hassle. Each to his own. Tell you what though. The
screw
looks that is upside down!!!



I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the
question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe.

The screw is definitely in the correct orientation.

How do you know?

I hate to say but I think you are wrong. The head of the screw always
screws
down on to the clamp. Gives more surface area on the clamp for a start.
And
for the life of me how do you get a driver into the head when it's
underneath the clamp without taking it all apart.

There's a hole there for the purpose.

Did you show HPM your
little piccy? What was their comment?

None yet.

DFT won't be much help as all HPM
stuff is submitted for test by the ASA.

It's possible that the design has been subtlely modified since it was
approved, or the component is just not manufactured in accordance with the
approval. For example, it would probably work better if the square clamp
were a tighter fit so that it didn't rotate so much and leave so much of
the conductor exposed.

and the corners sqare and not rounded.

If they say OK then my friend it's
OK. Have you thought that the little chinaman on assembly got it wrong. I
believe if you really had shown HPM that plug top in that state they
would
be on to it like a rocket.

Oh ye of little faith.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/hpmSocketInstructions.jpg

Sylvia.

Alright I was wrong. I saw the piccy and assumed it was a plug top. No
excuse but hope you will understand. At least I didn't blow my top and
called you all of the usual explitives. The design has been changed on some
makes to a tunnel with a screw. Apologies to all. I would love to know what
HPM or whoever owns them these days has to say.

Rgds.....

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 4/03/2011 5:16 PM, Metro wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/03/2011 4:46 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/03/2011 3:51 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 3/03/2011 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to
fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight
as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a
springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

After a lot of fiddling, I've managed to achieve a workable
attachment,
which will be OK given my intended use. However, there's no way I'd
want
to give the resulting cable to someone else, because I'd have no
confidence that it will remain secure in the long term.

Sylvia.

Sylvia. Why don't you contact HPM and inform of your problem? Unless of
course you are too embarrassed. I and my colleagues have wired hundreds
of
the bloody things. Agreed they could be a tad better, but really they
are
not that much of a hassle. Each to his own. Tell you what though. The
screw
looks that is upside down!!!



I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the
question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe.

The screw is definitely in the correct orientation.

How do you know?

I hate to say but I think you are wrong. The head of the screw always
screws
down on to the clamp. Gives more surface area on the clamp for a start.
And
for the life of me how do you get a driver into the head when it's
underneath the clamp without taking it all apart.

There's a hole there for the purpose.

Did you show HPM your
little piccy? What was their comment?

None yet.

DFT won't be much help as all HPM
stuff is submitted for test by the ASA.

It's possible that the design has been subtlely modified since it was
approved, or the component is just not manufactured in accordance with the
approval. For example, it would probably work better if the square clamp
were a tighter fit so that it didn't rotate so much and leave so much of
the conductor exposed.

and the corners sqare and not rounded.

If they say OK then my friend it's
OK. Have you thought that the little chinaman on assembly got it wrong. I
believe if you really had shown HPM that plug top in that state they
would
be on to it like a rocket.

Oh ye of little faith.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/hpmSocketInstructions.jpg

Sylvia.

Alright I was wrong. I saw the piccy and assumed it was a plug top. No
excuse but hope you will understand. At least I didn't blow my top and
called you all of the usual explitives. The design has been changed on some
makes to a tunnel with a screw. Apologies to all. I would love to know what
HPM or whoever owns them these days has to say.

A tunnel with a screw has always seemed the best solution, though I've
seen implementations where the screw is too narrow, which can be a pain.

I don't know why the regulators permit anything else.

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 4, 8:08 am, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"kreed"
 "Phil Allison"



** The Clipsal series 418 ( side entry ) 10amp plug is a good one in
all
major respects.

That was a design failure - one of its features was that the back
would break straight off if anyone pulled on or tripped over the cord.

** Huh ??

The plug would pull right out of the socket first.

The only good thing about these plugs (IMHO) was that you could see at
a glance that the plug was wired correctly.

** They are made from white or grey plastic and very tough.

    There is no clear version.

.... Phil

I just looked and the plug I referred to is indeed a 418 with a white
body and a clear plastic back. These would have been bought in the
1990s though and may have been discontinued since then.

I tried it in a socket, pulled firmly on the cord and it didn't come
out, it jammed the plastic back began to crack.

I think I still have several new ones in the shed and am happy to send
you one if you want to test it.


I have also seen the grey body & back version, and agree that they are
fine.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 4, 3:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 4/03/2011 4:26 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Stupider than Anyone Else

I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe.

** Waste of time with those pricks.

Could be. They got back to me, and asked for a bit more information, but
I'm not holding my breath.

Oh well, I've done as much as I can reasonably be expected to do on
seeing a safety issue.

Sylvia.

If you were the average consumer, they would probably ignore, on the
basis that you weren't
qualified to wire it. ?

 

[Phil Allison]

"kreed"


I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.


** No it isn't.



...... Phil

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 4/03/2011 5:45 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

"kreed"


I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.


** No it isn't.

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation, starting with

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

and so far I haven't found any way to avoid the need for a licence to so
much as attach a plug to an appliance.

The legislation is so restrictive, they even needed a special subsection
to allow people to install things that plug into mains outlets:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s18.html

"2) However, the following are not electrical work--

(a) installing or removing electrical equipment by connecting it to
electricity, or disconnecting it from electricity, by a plug and socket
outlet"

So QLD's another state I won't be moving to.

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 4, 3:49 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 4/03/2011 4:42 PM, kreed wrote:



On Mar 4, 3:40 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid>  wrote:
On 4/03/2011 4:26 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

Stupider than Anyone Else

I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe..

** Waste of time with those pricks.

Could be. They got back to me, and asked for a bit more information, but
I'm not holding my breath.

Oh well, I've done as much as I can reasonably be expected to do on
seeing a safety issue.

Sylvia.

If you were the average consumer, they would probably ignore, on the
basis that you weren't
qualified to wire it. ?

In what sense qualified? In NSW any consumer is permitted to attach a
socket to a cable as long as the cable is not part of fixed wiring. If
anything, this makes it even more of a safety issue. It should be
possible to achieve a safe attachment by following the instructions. It
is not.

Sylvia.

I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Sylvia Else is an INSANE TROLL "

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation,

** Go drop dead.



.... Phil

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 4/03/2011 7:02 PM, Phil Allison wrote:

"Sylvia Else is an INSANE TROLL"



It may be. I've been looking at the legislation,

** Go drop dead.

For crying out loud Phil. What's the problem?

You can look at it, and either say, "No, see XYZ", or you can say "Seems
so, stupid nanny state." Neither outcome reflects on your masculinity,
or anything else that you might hold dear.

But instead, your become abusive. It makes no sense.

Sylvia.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Sylvia Else is an INSANE TROLL"

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation,

** Go drop dead.

For crying out loud Phil. What's the problem?

** You are 1000% INSANE

 

[F Murtz]

Metro wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
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On 4/03/2011 3:51 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8taooeFeipU2@mid.individual.net...
On 3/03/2011 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight
as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

After a lot of fiddling, I've managed to achieve a workable attachment,
which will be OK given my intended use. However, there's no way I'd want
to give the resulting cable to someone else, because I'd have no
confidence that it will remain secure in the long term.

Sylvia.

Sylvia. Why don't you contact HPM and inform of your problem? Unless of
course you are too embarrassed. I and my colleagues have wired hundreds
of
the bloody things. Agreed they could be a tad better, but really they are
not that much of a hassle. Each to his own. Tell you what though. The
screw
looks that is upside down!!!



I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe.

The screw is definitely in the correct orientation.

How do you know?

I hate to say but I think you are wrong. The head of the screw always screws
down on to the clamp. Gives more surface area on the clamp for a start. And
for the life of me how do you get a driver into the head when it's
underneath the clamp without taking it all apart. Did you show HPM your
little piccy? What was their comment? DFT won't be much help as all HPM
stuff is submitted for test by the ASA. If they say OK then my friend it's
OK. Have you thought that the little chinaman on assembly got it wrong. I
believe if you really had shown HPM that plug top in that state they would
be on to it like a rocket.


That coppery looking bit has the thread in it so it would not work your way.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 4/03/2011 6:26 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

On 4/03/2011 5:45 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"kreed"


I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.


** No it isn't.

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation, starting with

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

and so far I haven't found any way to avoid the need for a licence to so
much as attach a plug to an appliance.

The legislation is so restrictive, they even needed a special subsection
to allow people to install things that plug into mains outlets:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s18.html

"2) However, the following are not electrical work--

(a) installing or removing electrical equipment by connecting it to
electricity, or disconnecting it from electricity, by a plug and socket
outlet"

So QLD's another state I won't be moving to.

Sylvia.

Since I'm in the mood for it, let's examine the QLD law a bit.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

"(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical
work licence for the purpose of the following--
....
(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;"

Apparently even a nanny state can recognise that you can't expect
someone to try to call out a sparky to replace a lamp socket when
they're 500km from the nearest town.

Mind you, "remote rural installation work" is defined in the dictionary

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/sch2.html

as

"remote rural installation work means work on an electrical installation
if all the following circumstances apply--
....

(d) a person holding an appropriate electrical work licence is not
available to perform the work because of the remote location of the farm
or grazing property."

So before you get to work replacing that lamp socket on your remote
rural property, you have to ponder the question of whether a sparky is
"available". In practice, whether one's available is just going to
depend on how much you're willing to pay.

Mind you, that's not your only problem. You're allowed to work an a
remote rural installation without a licence, but an item is part of an
installation only if it is permanently connected to it. So you can put
that cable down - it's no use to you. You can't trim the insulation off
the wire until it's connected to the installation, and you obviously
can't connect it until you've trimmed the insulation off.

Just gotta love nanny state governments.

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 4, 11:33 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 4/03/2011 6:26 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:



On 4/03/2011 5:45 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"kreed"

I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.

** No it isn't.

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation, starting with

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

and so far I haven't found any way to avoid the need for a licence to so
much as attach a plug to an appliance.

The legislation is so restrictive, they even needed a special subsection
to allow people to install things that plug into mains outlets:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s18.html

"2) However, the following are not electrical work--

(a) installing or removing electrical equipment by connecting it to
electricity, or disconnecting it from electricity, by a plug and socket
outlet"

So QLD's another state I won't be moving to.

Sylvia.

Since I'm in the mood for it, let's examine the QLD law a bit.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

"(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical
work licence for the purpose of the following--
...
     (c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;"

Apparently even a nanny state can recognise that you can't expect
someone to try to call out a sparky to replace a lamp socket when
they're 500km from the nearest town.

Mind you, "remote rural installation work" is defined in the dictionary

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/sch2.html

as

"remote rural installation work means work on an electrical installation
if all the following circumstances apply--
...

     (d) a person holding an appropriate electrical work licence is not
available to perform the work because of the remote location of the farm
or grazing property."

So before you get to work replacing that lamp socket on your remote
rural property, you have to ponder the question of whether a sparky is
"available". In practice, whether one's available is just going to
depend on how much you're willing to pay.

Mind you, that's not your only problem. You're allowed to work an a
remote rural installation without a licence, but an item is part of an
installation only if it is permanently connected to it. So you can put
that cable down - it's no use to you. You can't trim the insulation off
the wire until it's connected to the installation, and you obviously
can't connect it until you've trimmed the insulation off.

Just gotta love nanny state governments.

Sylvia.

It is all hypothetical anyway.
Plenty do their own electrical work, and ignore the law. It has been a
long time since I have heard of a prosecution in the media, and in
these cases only because there was a death by electrocution.


In my area there is a guy openly doing electrical work without any
licence or electrical contractors license,
even in commercial premises, for cash in hand. Most of the fittings
come from the rubbish tip sale or second hand stores
by the look of it.

His only experience before that was lawn mowing. (probably more money
in that these days).


The standards of training are a worry too, A friend of mine did a test
and tag license course (this allows you to only
do tools and equipment of your own) and they spent a day being
trained. 2 of the more ridiculous statements made by the "teacher"
was
that any 3 phase circuit has 3 phases and 3 neutrals, and that on
double insulated items, you megger test from active to neutral


This caused a lot of confusion including me being asked where these 6
wires went when a 3 phase plug only had 5 pins,
which led to me being asked and shown this bodgy course material.


I was thinking of doing it, just to see this circus for myself.

 

[Metro]

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Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8tbal1Fh32U1@mid.individual.net...
On 4/03/2011 3:51 PM, Metro wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8taooeFeipU2@mid.individual.net...
On 3/03/2011 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to
fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight
as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a
springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

After a lot of fiddling, I've managed to achieve a workable
attachment,
which will be OK given my intended use. However, there's no way I'd
want
to give the resulting cable to someone else, because I'd have no
confidence that it will remain secure in the long term.

Sylvia.

Sylvia. Why don't you contact HPM and inform of your problem? Unless of
course you are too embarrassed. I and my colleagues have wired hundreds
of
the bloody things. Agreed they could be a tad better, but really they
are
not that much of a hassle. Each to his own. Tell you what though. The
screw
looks that is upside down!!!



I have. I've also contacted the department of fair trading on the
question
of whether the product should be withdrawn from sale as being unsafe.

The screw is definitely in the correct orientation.

How do you know?

I hate to say but I think you are wrong. The head of the screw always
screws
down on to the clamp. Gives more surface area on the clamp for a start.
And
for the life of me how do you get a driver into the head when it's
underneath the clamp without taking it all apart. Did you show HPM your
little piccy? What was their comment? DFT won't be much help as all HPM
stuff is submitted for test by the ASA. If they say OK then my friend
it's
OK. Have you thought that the little chinaman on assembly got it wrong. I
believe if you really had shown HPM that plug top in that state they
would
be on to it like a rocket.


That coppery looking bit has the thread in it so it would not work your
way.
Correct. Good example of foot in mouth

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 5/03/2011 1:35 AM, kreed wrote:

On Mar 4, 11:33 pm, Sylvia Else<syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 4/03/2011 6:26 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:



On 4/03/2011 5:45 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"kreed"

I wasnt aware of that. Its illegal in QLD to do anything like that.

** No it isn't.

It may be. I've been looking at the legislation, starting with

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

and so far I haven't found any way to avoid the need for a licence to so
much as attach a plug to an appliance.

The legislation is so restrictive, they even needed a special subsection
to allow people to install things that plug into mains outlets:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s18.html

"2) However, the following are not electrical work--

(a) installing or removing electrical equipment by connecting it to
electricity, or disconnecting it from electricity, by a plug and socket
outlet"

So QLD's another state I won't be moving to.

Sylvia.

Since I'm in the mood for it, let's examine the QLD law a bit.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s55.html

"(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical
work licence for the purpose of the following--
...
(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;"

Apparently even a nanny state can recognise that you can't expect
someone to try to call out a sparky to replace a lamp socket when
they're 500km from the nearest town.

Mind you, "remote rural installation work" is defined in the dictionary

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/sch2.html

as

"remote rural installation work means work on an electrical installation
if all the following circumstances apply--
...

(d) a person holding an appropriate electrical work licence is not
available to perform the work because of the remote location of the farm
or grazing property."

So before you get to work replacing that lamp socket on your remote
rural property, you have to ponder the question of whether a sparky is
"available". In practice, whether one's available is just going to
depend on how much you're willing to pay.

Mind you, that's not your only problem. You're allowed to work an a
remote rural installation without a licence, but an item is part of an
installation only if it is permanently connected to it. So you can put
that cable down - it's no use to you. You can't trim the insulation off
the wire until it's connected to the installation, and you obviously
can't connect it until you've trimmed the insulation off.

Just gotta love nanny state governments.

Sylvia.



It is all hypothetical anyway.
Plenty do their own electrical work, and ignore the law. It has been a
long time since I have heard of a prosecution in the media, and in
these cases only because there was a death by electrocution.

There's a limitation period

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/qld/consol_act/esa2002169/s187.html

and it will not normally be possible to determine when the offence
actually took place, if no one admits to having committed it.

The standards of training are a worry too,
.... of the more ridiculous statements made by the "teacher"
was ... that on double insulated items, you megger test from
active to neutral

Sheesh - who pays for the damage?

Sylvia.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 4, 3:44 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"kreed"
"Phil Allison"





** The Clipsal series 418 ( side entry ) 10amp plug is a good one in
all major respects.

That was a design failure - one of its features was that the back
would break straight off if anyone pulled on or tripped over the cord..

** Huh ??

The plug would pull right out of the socket first.

The only good thing about these plugs (IMHO) was that you could see at
a glance that the plug was wired correctly.

** They are made from white or grey plastic and very tough.

There is no clear version.

I just looked and the plug I referred to is indeed a 418 with a white
body and a clear plastic back.  These would have been bought in the
1990s though and may have been discontinued since then.

** Must be rare birds.

I tried it in a socket, pulled firmly on the cord and it didn't come
out, it jammed the plastic back began to crack.

** Bad design.

I think I still have several new ones in the shed and am happy to send
you one if you want to test it.

** OK - I believe you, if it has a clear acrylic back it's a POS.

I have also seen the grey body & back version, and agree that they are
fine.

** The old piggy back 463s that were clear acrylic were very vulnerable to
someone yanking a plug in the back out sideways  -  that tended to rip the
back cover open around one or more or the pin holes.

Whatever approvals lab passed the horrible things needed a boot up the
backside.

.....  Phil

Small correction FWIW.

I said in my previous post that they came with a white body and a
clear plastic back.
While looking around for a mains cord in my junk box, I found another
418 today on a used cord that had a clear body AND clear back.

 

[Metro]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8t8rkvFju5U1@mid.individual.net...

On 3/03/2011 5:37 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
"kreed"

I have seen 3 pin plugs that have similar problems too.


** The Clipsal series 418 ( side entry ) 10amp plug is a good one in all
major respects.

Pretty much a closed back version of the now very hard to get 463 series
"piggy back" plugs.

Who remembers the disastrous clear ( acrylic?) version of the 463 that
fractured and exposed live bits so easily ??

Any recommendation as to an in-line socket I can get instead?

Arlec make one, but there's no indication on their web site as to how the
wires are attached.

Sylvia.

 

[Ross Herbert]

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:43:53 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

:
:Any recommendation as to an in-line socket I can get instead?
:

I prefer the Clipsal range when it comes to extension cords sockets and
adaptors.

http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/Files/Brochures/A0000123.pdf

The old grey 438/110 extn cord socket is reliable and easy to terminate.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/03/2011 9:51 PM, Ross Herbert wrote:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 17:43:53 +1100, Sylvia Else<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

:
:Any recommendation as to an in-line socket I can get instead?
:

I prefer the Clipsal range when it comes to extension cords sockets and
adaptors.

http://updates.clipsal.com/ClipsalOnline/Files/Brochures/A0000123.pdf

Thansk for the info.

Don't show that to Phil - he'll freak out at the quality of the photographs.

The old grey 438/110 extn cord socket is reliable and easy to terminate.

Sylvia.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 3/03/2011 12:55 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

I've attached any number of inline sockets and plugs in my life, and
never had the trouble I'm having with this. It seems impossible to fit.

The instructions talk about the "Easy wiring clamp terminals," but if
you try to do it the way they show, you get this result

http://members.optusnet.com.au/sylviae/T_hmpsocket2.jpg

and the wire pulls out easily even when the screw is done up as tight as
I can make it.

Inserting the wire from the other side (which is not how HPM indicate
it) doesn't do any better, and nor does attempting to wrap the wire
around the screw.

It probably doesn't help that part of the clamp is made from a springy
metal, so as to be able to grip the pin from a plug that's inserted.

Sylvia.

I made representations to Fair Trading, and they raises the issue with
HPM. It appears my view has been accepted, and the product design will
be changed.

Sylvia.