How to tighten round nut on swtich?

[Klay Anderson]

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:34:57 AM UTC-6, rickman wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:
I need to put a momentary on switch in my dashboard, and the one I
bought doesn't have a hex nut for the top nut but a round serrated ring
to hold the switch in place.

The old-timers way is to tighten the hex nut on the rear of the switch shaft once you have the knurled nut flush with the panel. There are angled wrenches just for this. I've a few but (as an old-timer) I don't remember where I bought them. Seems to me they were a part from a switch or pot manufacturer.

 

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 10/27/2017 1:26 AM, mike wrote:

... The person who buys it at your estate sale might be surprised
when he accidentally pops the top at highway speed.

A big problem in today's consumer market is the effort manufactures put
into idiot-proofing stuff. Let the damn idiots do it & fuck 'em.

 

Tom Biasi <tomb...@optonline.net> wrote:

On 10/26/2017 11:58 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a

little [bit of a scratch], but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the

cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

That's why they make strap wrenches.

For cars, a leather belt helps in changing the oil filter, and this material is also more sturdy than cloth. It would have to be cut in a very narrow strip, though.

 

[rickman]

bruce2bowser@gmail.com wrote on 10/30/2017 11:20 PM:

Tom Biasi <tomb...@optonline.net> wrote:
On 10/26/2017 11:58 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a

little [bit of a scratch], but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the

cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

That's why they make strap wrenches.

For cars, a leather belt helps in changing the oil filter, and this material is also more sturdy than cloth. It would have to be cut in a very narrow strip, though.

The only thing that is a problem in changing my oil filter is the engine
being in the way. I'm thinking of removing that so oil changes are easier.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

[rickman]

tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote on 10/29/2017 6:53 AM:

On Friday, 27 October 2017 04:58:51 UTC+1, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

John Robertson wrote on 10/26/2017 2:39 PM:
On 2017/10/25 7:02 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:

The cloth is more to protect the surface of the panel the switch is mounted
to than to protect the knurled round nut you are trying to tighten.

I'm not sure what that means. It will protect whatever you put it over. I
use a cloth when tightening plumbing hardware that often is chrome plated.
That can require some heavy tools and a cloth works great as long as it is
not too thin and tears.

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a
little, but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the
cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

cloth isn't good for such things, as it's full of holes and most cloth collapses very easily. Card is better.

Whatever. I use pieces of old jeans and have not had any problems. Denim
is good stuff for many uses.

--

Rick C

Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms,
on the centerline of totality since 1998

 

On Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:58:06 UTC, rickman wrote:

tabbypurr wrote on 10/29/2017 6:53 AM:
On Friday, 27 October 2017 04:58:51 UTC+1, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

John Robertson wrote on 10/26/2017 2:39 PM:
On 2017/10/25 7:02 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:

The cloth is more to protect the surface of the panel the switch is mounted
to than to protect the knurled round nut you are trying to tighten.

I'm not sure what that means. It will protect whatever you put it over. I
use a cloth when tightening plumbing hardware that often is chrome plated.
That can require some heavy tools and a cloth works great as long as it is
not too thin and tears.

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a
little, but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the
cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

cloth isn't good for such things, as it's full of holes and most cloth collapses very easily. Card is better.

Whatever. I use pieces of old jeans and have not had any problems. Denim
is good stuff for many uses.

yes - denim is not of course like most cloth.
It's good for cleaning soldering iron tips too.


NT

 

rickman wrote:

tabbypurr wrote on 10/29/2017 6:53 AM:
On Friday, 27 October 2017 04:58:51 UTC+1, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Robertson wrote on 10/26/2017 2:39 PM:
On 2017/10/25 7:02 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:

The cloth is more to protect the surface of the panel the switch is mounted
to than to protect the knurled round nut you are trying to tighten.

I'm not sure what that means. It will protect whatever you put it over. I
use a cloth when tightening plumbing hardware that often is chrome plated.
That can require some heavy tools and a cloth works great as long as it is
not too thin and tears.

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a
little, but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the
cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

cloth isn't good for such things, as it's full of holes and most cloth collapses very easily. Card is better.

Whatever. I use pieces of old jeans and have not had any problems. Denim
is good stuff for many uses.

I think I remember reading that you can soak your clothes in Pepsi or Coke to remove oil stains.

 

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Mon, 30 Oct 2017 19:01:27 -0400, Bob
Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:

On 10/27/2017 1:26 AM, mike wrote:

... The person who buys it at your estate sale might be surprised
when he accidentally pops the top at highway speed.

A big problem in today's consumer market is the effort manufactures put
into idiot-proofing stuff. Let the damn idiots do it & fuck 'em.

You have to unlatch two latches, and if you do that, even if you don't
touch the motor switch, at highway speed, the wind will likely get under
the top and lift it up and rip the fabric from its metal frame.

I have driven at 10 or 20 and on a couple occasions for short distances
at 30 or 40 with one latch undone, but only in cars where where the top
stayed sitting on the windshield. Even if the fabric doesn't rip off,
the metal could get bent, and it would be really hard to know where to
bend it back.

 

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Tue, 31 Oct 2017 16:53:52 -0700 (PDT),
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:58:06 UTC, rickman wrote:
tabbypurr wrote on 10/29/2017 6:53 AM:
On Friday, 27 October 2017 04:58:51 UTC+1, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

John Robertson wrote on 10/26/2017 2:39 PM:
On 2017/10/25 7:02 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0400, rickman
gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:

The cloth is more to protect the surface of the panel the switch is mounted
to than to protect the knurled round nut you are trying to tighten.

I'm not sure what that means. It will protect whatever you put it over. I
use a cloth when tightening plumbing hardware that often is chrome plated.
That can require some heavy tools and a cloth works great as long as it is
not too thin and tears.

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a
little, but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the
cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

cloth isn't good for such things, as it's full of holes and most cloth collapses very easily. Card is better.

Whatever. I use pieces of old jeans and have not had any problems. Denim
is good stuff for many uses.

yes - denim is not of course like most cloth.
It's good for cleaning soldering iron tips too.

One time I polished plastic with it. Probably easier ways but it was a
circle about an inch in diameter and I got the scraches out just rubbing
it on my thigh.

NT

 

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 1 Nov 2017 23:09:36 -0700 (PDT),
bruce2bowser@gmail.com wrote:

rickman wrote:
tabbypurr wrote on 10/29/2017 6:53 AM:
On Friday, 27 October 2017 04:58:51 UTC+1, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:01:17 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Robertson wrote on 10/26/2017 2:39 PM:
On 2017/10/25 7:02 PM, micky wrote:
In sci.electronics.repair, on Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0400, rickman
gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:

micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:

The cloth is more to protect the surface of the panel the switch is mounted
to than to protect the knurled round nut you are trying to tighten.

I'm not sure what that means. It will protect whatever you put it over. I
use a cloth when tightening plumbing hardware that often is chrome plated.
That can require some heavy tools and a cloth works great as long as it is
not too thin and tears.

I'm glad you reminded me about that, because it's been a long time since
prior experiences. It was in high school I think that I changed a
washer or two in the bathroom and I used a fairl heavy cloth, but
squeezed too hard and scratched the chrome. I think it was only a
little, but memory plays tricks on mpeople. And it didn't tear the
cloth but it still scratched, and that surprised me.

cloth isn't good for such things, as it's full of holes and most cloth collapses very easily. Card is better.

Whatever. I use pieces of old jeans and have not had any problems. Denim
is good stuff for many uses.

I think I remember reading that you can soak your clothes in Pepsi or Coke to remove oil stains.

Didn't RC Cola originally stand for Removes Crud.

 

[micky]

In sci.electronics.repair, on Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
Klay Anderson <klay@klay.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 9:34:57 AM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
micky wrote on 10/25/2017 9:15 PM:
I need to put a momentary on switch in my dashboard, and the one I
bought doesn't have a hex nut for the top nut but a round serrated ring
to hold the switch in place.


The old-timers way is to tighten the hex nut on the rear of the switch shaft once you have the knurled nut flush with the panel. There are angled wrenches just for this. I've a few but (as an old-timer) I don't remember where I bought them. Seems to me they were a part from a switch or pot manufacturer.

Well, it's been a week and so far it still looks good.

BTW I later noticed that the one that is only $10 is made of plastic,
one end English and one end Metric

 

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=shop&q=thin+grip+needle+nose+vice+grips+pliers&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj68erJgafXAhUF0GMKHUm0CFQQ1TUIZQ&biw=360&bih=560&dpr=3

Grind thick noses to fit, file teeth into nut holding area

Switch unit is pigtailed, solder to harness after mounting

Fix round nut as designed

Snug rear

Tighten rear nut holding front with vise grips. With unit 20 degrees from tight.

Squeeze tight unit onto dash fixed nutshaftnut holding that fixed

Having left that threading free inside round nut.