How much power used when device is Off.

"D Yuniskis"

** FUCK OFF !!!


YOU INSANE BLOODY YANK MORON
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"D Yuniskis"
Phil Allison wrote:
"D Yuniskis"
Phil Allison wrote:

** Absolute BOLLOCKS !!

Small AC adaptors are built to plug into a domestic power outlet -
there are dozens of different kinds round the world.

So a different PHYSICAL design is therefore required for each part of
the world.
You've apparently little experience with the *manufacturing*
side of things. Otherwise, you would realize that you can
*easily* specify a different physical power plug attached to
the *same* bit of electronics.
** My comment above still applies.

Either there is a different case and plug arrangement produced for each
market or, in some cases, a plug adaptor is attached to the existing
plug.
Yeah, and I am sure they sell pink ones and blue ones too!
But that doesn't affect the DESIGN OF THE ELECTRONICS within

** Simply not relevent to the my point at all.

That is NOT an example of :

" .. only one supply is required, regardless of where the product is sold.
"

To comply with safety rules in most places, such plug adaptors must be
permanently attached PLUS the combined contraption be not too likely to
fall out of a wall socket.
This is apparently not the case in the US.

** Bullshit.
Go to a Costco -- or any other place that sells a Seagate
"FreeAgent | Desk" UPC code 7 63649 01223 9, part number
9ZB2B8-571 (i.e., this is a real part, I am holding two
of them in my hands right now)

The part number for the wall wart is WA-24E12. It is
manufactured by "Asian Power Devices, Inc."

The wall wart is listed as "100 - 240VAC 50 - 60 Hz"
with a "12V 3A" output. The "plug" clearly is a separate
piece that slides onto the body of the wall wart. Not only
is it NOT "permanently attached" but it has a "button"
clearly labeled "PUSH" which, when pushed, allows the
"plug" to be slid off of the wall wart. The force required
to actuate this button is just a bit over 4 ounces
(i.e., something an *infant* could manage).

Just to be sure we are all in agreement on what "permanently
attached" means, my Webster's New World defines "permanent"
to mean "lasting or intended to last indefinitely or for a
relatively long time" -- something that I can alter within
*seconds* of opening the box and holding it in my hands
I doubt would qualify as "indefinitely"; nor even "a
relatively long time" (unless measured against the half-life
of some of the elements having atomic numbers in excess of 100!)

Likewise, the best definition I can find for "attach" would be
"to fasten by tying, etc.". So, I guess "sliding onto" the
wall wart would be consistent with "attachment". I guess we just
have vastly different ideas of what "permanent" means!

There should be enough INDEPENDANTLY VERIFIABLE information
in my post (unlike your random, unsubstantiated rants)
for others to verify this and decide who speaks truly. :>

Or, perhaps Seagate is selling these things despite YOUR
apparent prohibition on their use/sale?

(sigh) Yet another USENET wacko. Welcome to my killfile!
Isn't it time for your meds? Maybe *past* time?? ;-)

(OK, now you can go and rant some more. I -- and anyone
else who has been smart enough to add you to their killfile
already -- won't be bothered with your meaningless posts.)
 
D Yuniskis wrote:
Go to a Costco -- or any other place that sells a Seagate
"FreeAgent | Desk" UPC code 7 63649 01223 9, part number
9ZB2B8-571 (i.e., this is a real part, I am holding two
of them in my hands right now)

The part number for the wall wart is WA-24E12. It is
manufactured by "Asian Power Devices, Inc."

The wall wart is listed as "100 - 240VAC 50 - 60 Hz"
with a "12V 3A" output. The "plug" clearly is a separate
piece that slides onto the body of the wall wart. Not only
is it NOT "permanently attached" but it has a "button"
clearly labeled "PUSH" which, when pushed, allows the
"plug" to be slid off of the wall wart. The force required
to actuate this button is just a bit over 4 ounces
(i.e., something an *infant* could manage).

Just to be sure we are all in agreement on what "permanently
attached" means, my Webster's New World defines "permanent"
to mean "lasting or intended to last indefinitely or for a
relatively long time" -- something that I can alter within
*seconds* of opening the box and holding it in my hands
I doubt would qualify as "indefinitely"; nor even "a
relatively long time" (unless measured against the half-life
of some of the elements having atomic numbers in excess of 100!)

Likewise, the best definition I can find for "attach" would be
"to fasten by tying, etc.". So, I guess "sliding onto" the
wall wart would be consistent with "attachment". I guess we just
have vastly different ideas of what "permanent" means!

There should be enough INDEPENDANTLY VERIFIABLE information
in my post (unlike your random, unsubstantiated rants)
for others to verify this and decide who speaks truly. :

Or, perhaps Seagate is selling these things despite YOUR
apparent prohibition on their use/sale?

(sigh) Yet another USENET wacko. Welcome to my killfile!
Isn't it time for your meds? Maybe *past* time?? ;-)

(OK, now you can go and rant some more. I -- and anyone
else who has been smart enough to add you to their killfile
already -- won't be bothered with your meaningless posts.)


Phil is mentally ill and lives 'down under' so you are wasting your
time, which could be better spent teaching pigs to sing...


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
 
Either there is a different case and plug arrangement produced for each
market or, in some cases, a plug adaptor is attached to the existing plug.
The latter was what I was suggesting.
 
In the case of iron transformer adaptors ONLY the primary
winding on the bobbin has to be changed to make 2 or 3
versions to cover the whole world.
A switching supply doesn't require even /this/ change.
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Stupider than Anyone a Else Alive"


Phil Allison wrote:

** The number is not fixed - like most things, it varies.

The range is from about 0.5 watt to 3 watts for a 12 watt adaptor.

Some fuckwits think this matters and have passed laws banning the sale of
adaptors that use more than 0.75 watts or so when off load.

DAMN WANKERS
Just like Sylvia.


There's a market inefficiency.

** No there is not.


An adapter that wastes 3 watts

** The energy is not wasted.

To address this market ineffeciency,


** Which does not exist.


either ban such profligate power consumption,


** Nothing of the sort is happening.

Profligate power consumption is not due to tiny adaptors and a few watts.

Large appliances like water heaters, air conditioners and domestic halogen
lighting are the main culprits.

Fuckwits like Sylvia can never see the wood for the trees.

Cos her ugly head is made entirely of rotten wood.




.... Phil
Just make the fucking shit turn off when you turn it off.
 
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Phil is mentally ill
Oh, my bad. I shouldn't poke fun of folks with disabilities. :<

and lives 'down under'
Ah! That explains his intimate familiarity with US products
and regulatory agencies.

so you are wasting your time, which could be better spent
teaching pigs to sing...
<grin> May be an easier challenge! As soon as I can
find a song with the lyrics:

"Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink."

Definitely easier than teaching them to *fly*! ;-)
 
D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Phil is mentally ill

Oh, my bad. I shouldn't poke fun of folks with disabilities. :

He has his rare, lucid moments, when he takes his medication. Any
time he starts cursing, it's a waste of time to read his posts or to
reply to them.


and lives 'down under'

Ah! That explains his intimate familiarity with US products
and regulatory agencies.

Of course. No one would DARE do anything any way, except his way. :(


so you are wasting your time, which could be better spent
teaching pigs to sing...

grin> May be an easier challenge! As soon as I can
find a song with the lyrics:

"Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink."

Add some noise and it'll be the latest fad: 'Pig Crap', er 'Pig
Rap'! ;-)


Definitely easier than teaching them to *fly*! ;-)

They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a huge
catapult and...


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
 
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Phil is mentally ill
Oh, my bad. I shouldn't poke fun of folks with disabilities. :

He has his rare, lucid moments, when he takes his medication. Any
time he starts cursing, it's a waste of time to read his posts or to
reply to them.
So far, he's my only kill file entry. Of course, I skip over lots
of posts so there may be others out there equally deserving of this
"honor". :-/ Life is just too short to waste it on people that
have nothing to contribute. :<

and lives 'down under'
Ah! That explains his intimate familiarity with US products
and regulatory agencies.

Of course. No one would DARE do anything any way, except his way. :(

so you are wasting your time, which could be better spent
teaching pigs to sing...

grin> May be an easier challenge! As soon as I can
find a song with the lyrics:

"Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink."

Add some noise and it'll be the latest fad: 'Pig Crap', er 'Pig
Rap'! ;-)
Well, there have been songs of *dogs* "singing" so I guess
pigs aren't out of the question! And, I suspect pigs may
have greater frequency *range* -- though I confess to not
having spent much time around pigs so I'll have to defer to
The Experts on that one...

Definitely easier than teaching them to *fly*! ;-)

They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a huge
catapult and...
Eeooo! That's just *nasty*! :>

Where did I recently see a video/movie clip of someone feeding
*bacon* to a pig...? :-/
 
D Yuniskis wrote:
So far, he's my only kill file entry. Of course, I skip over lots
of posts so there may be others out there equally deserving of this
"honor". :-/ Life is just too short to waste it on people that
have nothing to contribute. :

A real waste of air, most days. :(


Well, there have been songs of *dogs* "singing" so I guess
pigs aren't out of the question! And, I suspect pigs may
have greater frequency *range* -- though I confess to not
having spent much time around pigs so I'll have to defer to
The Experts on that one...

I haven't been near them since the late '60s, while visiting my
grandparent's farm, just before one of them died. they kept six to 12
hogs for themselves, along with a few cows & chickens. Hogs are a lot
like Usenet trolls. They are nasty, smelly loud and hard to get along
with. :(


They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a huge
catapult and...

Eeooo! That's just *nasty*! :


It can be, if you're under their flight path. :(

OTOH you can fly them over a forest fire, if you like smoked ham. ;-)


Where did I recently see a video/movie clip of someone feeding
*bacon* to a pig...? :-/

Probably on the 'Cannibal Channel' ;-)


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
 
One of the best moments in the movie of "The Wizard of Oz" comes when Glinda
blithely dismisses the Wicked Witch of the West. Recognizing that evil has
no purpose or place, she commands "Begone! You have no power here."

Exchanges with Mr. Allison so remind me of that scene.
 
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
Well, there have been songs of *dogs* "singing" so I guess
pigs aren't out of the question! And, I suspect pigs may
have greater frequency *range* -- though I confess to not
having spent much time around pigs so I'll have to defer to
The Experts on that one...

I haven't been near them since the late '60s, while visiting my
grandparent's farm, just before one of them died. they kept six to 12
hogs for themselves, along with a few cows & chickens. Hogs are a lot
like Usenet trolls. They are nasty, smelly loud and hard to get along
with. :(
I recall being told tha tmost folks want to raise *cattle*
("dignified", macho, etc.) but that *pigs* are far more
profitable (but no one wants to be *called* a "pig farmer"?)

They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a huge
catapult and...
Eeooo! That's just *nasty*! :

It can be, if you're under their flight path. :(

OTOH you can fly them over a forest fire, if you like smoked ham. ;-)
<groan>

Where did I recently see a video/movie clip of someone feeding
*bacon* to a pig...? :-/

Probably on the 'Cannibal Channel' ;-)
I think it was a movie "preview" I saw on a DVD recently
(so, the movie may already have been made).

It *did* sound a bit wacky... (would a pig even *eat* bacon?
I thought them herbivores?)
 
D Yuniskis Inscribed thus:

Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
Well, there have been songs of *dogs* "singing" so I guess
pigs aren't out of the question! And, I suspect pigs may
have greater frequency *range* -- though I confess to not
having spent much time around pigs so I'll have to defer to
The Experts on that one...

I haven't been near them since the late '60s, while visiting my
grandparent's farm, just before one of them died. they kept six to
12
hogs for themselves, along with a few cows & chickens. Hogs are a
lot like Usenet trolls. They are nasty, smelly loud and hard to get
along with. :(

I recall being told tha tmost folks want to raise *cattle*
("dignified", macho, etc.) but that *pigs* are far more
profitable (but no one wants to be *called* a "pig farmer"?)

They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a
huge catapult and...
Eeooo! That's just *nasty*! :

It can be, if you're under their flight path. :(

OTOH you can fly them over a forest fire, if you like smoked ham. ;-)

groan

Where did I recently see a video/movie clip of someone feeding
*bacon* to a pig...? :-/

Probably on the 'Cannibal Channel' ;-)

I think it was a movie "preview" I saw on a DVD recently
(so, the movie may already have been made).

It *did* sound a bit wacky... (would a pig even *eat* bacon?
I thought them herbivores?)
Pigs will eat anything including themselves...

--
Best Regards:
Baron.
 
"William Sommerwanker Fuckwit "

** It is not possible to produce one design of "wall wart" adaptor and sell
it world wide - which was the point at issue.

In the case of iron transformer adaptors ONLY the primary winding on the
bobbin has to be changed to make 2 or 3 versions to cover the whole world.

Production runs of all versions are *huge* and nearly all come from China.

You are so utterly full of shit.

Piss off.


...... Phil
 
D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote:
Well, there have been songs of *dogs* "singing" so I guess
pigs aren't out of the question! And, I suspect pigs may
have greater frequency *range* -- though I confess to not
having spent much time around pigs so I'll have to defer to
The Experts on that one...

I haven't been near them since the late '60s, while visiting my
grandparent's farm, just before one of them died. they kept six to 12
hogs for themselves, along with a few cows & chickens. Hogs are a lot
like Usenet trolls. They are nasty, smelly loud and hard to get along
with. :(

I recall being told tha tmost folks want to raise *cattle*
("dignified", macho, etc.) but that *pigs* are far more
profitable (but no one wants to be *called* a "pig farmer"?)

It takes less land to raise pigs, but cows raise a huge stink, too.
One highway near here passes a cattle farm. You don't want to drive it
if the wind is coming from the west, even with the windows up, and the
ventilation turned off. Huge piles of crap are made with a bulldozer to
let it dry out. Then it is bagged and sold as fertilizer.


They can fly, but they can't land very well. All you need is a huge
catapult and...
Eeooo! That's just *nasty*! :

It can be, if you're under their flight path. :(

OTOH you can fly them over a forest fire, if you like smoked ham. ;-)

groan

;-)


Where did I recently see a video/movie clip of someone feeding
*bacon* to a pig...? :-/

Probably on the 'Cannibal Channel' ;-)

I think it was a movie "preview" I saw on a DVD recently
(so, the movie may already have been made).

It *did* sound a bit wacky... (would a pig even *eat* bacon?
I thought them herbivores?)

Hogs will eat almost anything. How would they know that bacon came
for hogs? Their food is called 'Slop' for a good reason.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
 
William Sommerwerck wrote:
One of the best moments in the movie of "The Wizard of Oz" comes when Glinda
blithely dismisses the Wicked Witch of the West. Recognizing that evil has
no purpose or place, she commands "Begone! You have no power here."

Exchanges with Mr. Allison so remind me of that scene.
He reeks of skippyism.

--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
 
On 12/27/2009 12:28 PM, D Yuniskis wrote:
Hi Michael,

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Phil is mentally ill

Oh, my bad. I shouldn't poke fun of folks with disabilities. :

and lives 'down under'

Ah! That explains his intimate familiarity with US products
and regulatory agencies.

so you are wasting your time, which could be better spent
teaching pigs to sing...

grin> May be an easier challenge! As soon as I can
find a song with the lyrics:

"Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink."

Definitely easier than teaching them to *fly*! ;-)
Easy.

http://www.amazon.com/Grunt-Pigorian-Chant-Snouto-Domoinko/product-reviews/0761105948

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
 
On 12/27/2009 9:28 AM D Yuniskis spake thus:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Phil is mentally ill

Oh, my bad. I shouldn't poke fun of folks with disabilities. :

and lives 'down under'

Ah! That explains his intimate familiarity with US products
and regulatory agencies.

so you are wasting your time, which could be better spent
teaching pigs to sing...

grin> May be an easier challenge! As soon as I can
find a song with the lyrics:

"Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink.
Oink, oink, oink, oink, oink."
To the tune of "Jingle Bells"?


--
I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands. I live on
Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy neighbours.

- harvested from Usenet
 

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