Hong Kong becomes a dumping ground for US e-waste, research

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

A two year investigation by ­Basel Action Network attached 200 GPS
trackers on broken electronic items in the US and found many ended up in
dumping grounds in the New Territories.


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[pfjw@aol.com]

On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.

Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[frank]

John Robertson <spam@flippers.com> wrote:

There is hope yet for properly dealing with toxic garbage if you can
then sort the atoms into their respective elements perhaps using
electrostatic or magnetic methods?

I'm thinking about this method since some years. It costs too much energy to
be economically feasible. Also, you really need to have completely ionized
nuclei (no electrons) to allow sorting the elements based on charge left.
Anyway, someone might have the true genial idea here and come up with
a real solution. So far it seems nobody had the right one, otherwise we
would be recycling 100% of the wastes everywhere.
There're of course political ways to deal with waste problem, but of course
the western world will never give away privileges.

F

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 12:13:14 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Please note the interpolations:

Because China was given the dirty "mission" to do dirty industry jobs
for all other food-producing nations on this planet?

No. China (the government, to be more accurate as the 'people' choose little) *chose* to be the garbage tip of the world. As life has little value either culturally or politically under the present regime, expending vast quantities of an easily obtained, completely expendable resource (people) for even small quantities of more precious commodities (gold, silver, platinum, iridium and more) is a positive outcome.

> Is this fair to the population there?

No form of government is fair. Nor can it be. That there is a split between the 'haves' and 'have nots' is a necessary condition of governance. The former must be threatened by the latter - and the means to do this is the Government. The condition of greatest fear for any such government is when there are insufficient "Have nots" for that pressure to be perceived. There is no necessity for 'haves' other than as an aspiration. Convenient.

Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the
world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into
harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?

If the Chinese government saw value in making such a factory, it would happen overnight. As they do not, it will not happen. Or, until the political climate changes substantially it will not happen. Further, under the present regime, any such "Demonstration" would be nothing more than one of Potemkin's Villages - and about as effective.

A clean environment is an indication of National Will - and it requires cooperation at every level to be effective. In the 1960s, American Cities and rivers were often incredible messes with almost nothing alive in the rivers, and foul air prevalent in the cities. Finally it was *ENOUGH*. As a result of the clean-up, many industries either reduced in size, became vastly more efficient - bottom line, tens of thousands of jobs were lost, re-purposed or relocated as a result. And the results from this effort remain and are so taken-for-granted that many of us have forgotten the "Before" conditions - including our president-elect - such that they wish for the 'good old days' - which were not, really.

China reacted as follows: Jobs? We will take all the jobs you are willing to send us - and a few more. Quality? We don't need no stinking quality, we need employment for the masses. Clean air? We prefer the stink - it keeps the people in their place and reminds them of how things are 'getting better'. They can have their high-rise apartments in nearly deserted concrete jungles, with their appliances and cars and so on and so forth. BUT, they still cannot drink the water. But NOT TO MANY of them, as we need to keep that pool of willing aspirants so that the achievers take nothing for granted and continue to work without complaint....

The first, last and only job of the present Chinese Regime is to remain in power (much as here, but with a slightly different methodology). From H.L. Mencken:

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

And in the words of Solid Mahogany: The shortages will be divided amongst the peasants.

Democracy is possible only with great wealth, and only if that wealth is sufficiently distributed so that all may participate. China simply has neither the wealth, nor is what is there sufficiently well distributed. Here in the US, it is becoming less so - but that actually does vary from time-to-time. But, Democracy in the US is becoming more and more precarious as its real cost continues to increase.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 17/1/2017 1:09 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.
Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

Because China was given the dirty "mission" to do dirty industry jobs
for all other food-producing nations on this planet?

Is this fair to the population there?

Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the
world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into
harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?

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[John Robertson]

On 2017/01/16 9:13 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 17/1/2017 1:09 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:
And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most
polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet.
With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the
economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.
Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of
the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the
world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil,
nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

Because China was given the dirty "mission" to do dirty industry jobs
for all other food-producing nations on this planet?

Is this fair to the population there?

Anyway, can someone set up a factory in China that demonstrates the
world how digital waste and battery fluid could be recycled into
harmless forms? Can it be done NOW?

The last I saw of a way to deal with this sort of pollution was to
convert the guck into plasma...

Something like this:

http://www.explainthatstuff.com/plasma-arc-recycling.html

There is hope yet for properly dealing with toxic garbage if you can
then sort the atoms into their respective elements perhaps using
electrostatic or magnetic methods?

John :-#)#


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[mike]

On 1/16/2017 9:09 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:

On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.

Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.

That fact is lost on the do-gooders who seek to equalize the standard of
living.
From the perspective of an American, they are having some success.
The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that
of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.

Products happen because people will pay whatever it takes to get what
they want.
Toxic waste happens because people won't pay to recycle that obsolete
goodie they once needed so desperately.
In a perfect world, you'd price the item to include the total life cycle
cost including recycling and environmental impact.
In the real world, that creates new opportunities for corporations,
individuals and governments to scam the system
for profit.

The solution is simple. Terminate the oldest half of the population
and feed them to the other half. Ok, maybe it's 2/3, but you get the idea.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Michael Black]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, mike wrote:

On 1/16/2017 9:09 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted
country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a
population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a
healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.

Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the
world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world
produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear,
solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.

That fact is lost on the do-gooders who seek to equalize the standard of
living.
From the perspective of an American, they are having some success.
The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that
of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.

Products happen because people will pay whatever it takes to get what they
want.
Toxic waste happens because people won't pay to recycle that obsolete
goodie they once needed so desperately.
In a perfect world, you'd price the item to include the total life cycle
cost including recycling and environmental impact.
In the real world, that creates new opportunities for corporations,
individuals and governments to scam the system
for profit.

The solution is simple. Terminate the oldest half of the population
and feed them to the other half. Ok, maybe it's 2/3, but you get the idea.

You forgot the part where they implant the crystal in your hand, and when
it changes color, it's Lastday, you visit the carousel and maybe win a
chance at living longer, but the rest get terminated.

Michael

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 6:13:13 PM UTC-5, mike wrote:

That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop..

That fact is lost on the do-gooders who seek to equalize the standard of
living.
From the perspective of an American, they are having some success.
The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that
of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.

Mike:

That tinfoil hat is interfering with your thought-process - well, maybe not.. Your attitude is so quintessentially 'conspiracy/mason/bilderberg' as to be illustrative of the "American Problem". Which is a terrifying combination of entitlement in an unholy mix of industrial grade stupidity and mil.spec. ignorance.

The "they" do not want to be so. They want to be the new "we". And they are working extremely hard to achieve that status. Which we, emphatically, are not. If we, as Americans, wish to retain our primacy we will have to be faster, smarter, work harder, work better, cooperate more freely, and be more focused than our competition. And that competition ranges from the Hutongs of Bejing to the back alleys of Mexico City, to the Souks of Arabia and pretty much everywhere there are those with 'fewer' and 'less' - in everything but intelligence and ambition. Of which you can be very damned sure they have 'more' and 'more'.

You need to keep in mind that the Average American:

Does not have a college education.
Does not have a passport.
Speaks one language - badly.
Has never traveled voluntarily more than 200 miles from his/her birthplace.
Has never visited a foreign country, not even Mexico or Canada.
Cannot name the Speaker of the House, even today.
Cannot name the three branches of government.
Does not believe in Evolution (42% creationism, 32% evolution, 26% no opinion).
Only 71.2% of eligible voters are registered.
Only 57.5% of registered voters voted in 2012.
Meaning that the average American eligible to vote does not vote (only 41.5% net). For 2016, that improved to just under 44%.

We are burying ourselves, with no help from those so-called "do-gooders". All the are trying to do is divide *OUR* 25% of the world-pie more equally amongst *OUR* 5% of the world's population. They are no more trying to raise the standard of living for a salvage laborer in China than you are capable of a cohesive thought. They are most certainly NOT trying to lower their own standard of living on behalf of that same laborer.

Our children are our future. And unless they are able to compete on the world stage we - collectively and severally - have none.

Lastly (also a repeat), two quotes from H.L. Mencken:

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

and,

The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[K Wills (Shill #3)]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:42:41 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

A two year investigation by ­Basel Action Network attached 200 GPS
trackers on broken electronic items in the US and found many ended up in
dumping grounds in the New Territories.

It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to
another country. But other countries keep buying it.

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[pfjw@aol.com]

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 10:22:06 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

On 17/1/2017 5:44 PM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:

It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to
another country. But other countries keep buying it.

No, the US is not a signator to the Basel treaty. Nor, under the circumstances, will it be in the foreseeable future. What happens, in essence, is that US "Recyclers" haul the stuff to various locations (typically Ghana and China) and sell it more-or-less to the highest bidder dockside.

This is a real problem which either Ghana or China could solve at the stroke of a pen (sign the treaty). But neither nation is interested as the downline c

 

[burfordTjustice]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:42:41 +0800
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote:

Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

A two year investigation by ­Basel Action Network attached 200 GPS
trackers on broken electronic items in the US and found many ended up
in dumping grounds in the New Territories.

Send the shit to South America.

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 17/1/2017 8:53 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:

Send the shit to South America.

We all knew that every country and nation on this planet just wanna
export their waste and sewage!

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[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 17/1/2017 5:44 PM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:

It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to
another country. But other countries keep buying it.

Covert and dark operations, aka smuggling?

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[pfjw@aol.com]

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 10:21:22 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

We all knew that every country and nation on this planet just wanna
export their waste and sewage!

No, that waste and sewage is sent to where it is in demand. Or it would never get there.

This is pretty basic. And it is happening right out in the open with the full compliance of any and all relevant governmental bodies as may apply. Nothing covert, nothing dark, nothing smuggled, at least as it applies to what is under discussion.

Let me tell you a little story: Between 2002 and 2005, I managed a residential compound in Saudi Arabia. We had a school of 600, about 1,300 residents, 40,000 s.f. of professional offices, a major Consulate, two supermarkets, so on and so forth. Our daytime population was well over 2,000. We made our own water (deep wells), processed our own sewer on site and more. Because our base water was not brackish, or distilled, when we processed it through either of our two treatment plants, it was cleaner than the local municipal water (which was not bad at all). As we could not reuse it for drinking (high "YUK!" factor), we used it for irrigation. We had the greenest compound in the region, and the only full-grass soccer pitch in the province. But, what of the sludge? We chelated it for heavy metals (cheap and added phosphorus), and then contributed the sludge to local farmers (Look up Milorganite for a parallel process). The local farmers repaid us by setting up a Farmers' Market in the compound every weekend - at significant discounts to the local shops - even our own supermarkets. We also started a recycling program by polling local factories on what their feedstock needs might be - and then separating our solid waste accordingly. We saved money (literally by the ton), time and developed relationships that are still in place to this day. The rest of the Kingdom pretty much still follows the DiD (Dump-in-Desert) practice. It does not take much to recycle with care and attention.

But of a certainty, whining about it does no good and solves nothing, nor does reaching for "fairness".

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

[Allodoxaphobia]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 00:32:42 -0500, Michael Black wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, mike wrote:
On 1/16/2017 9:09 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:
On Monday, January 16, 2017 at 10:42:41 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
Full story:
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/1977148/hong-kong-becomes-dumping-ground-us-e-waste

And this is a surprise why? China is rapidly becoming the most polluted
country, local and in general, in the history of the planet. With a
population of ~1,346,000,000 +/- and a need to "grow" the economy, a
healthy environment is far, far back in the needs list.

Were China to consume at the same rate as the US does alone (25% of the
world's total energy resources), they would use 125% of what the world
produces in energy today - that is from all sources, coal, oil, nuclear,
solar, wind, geothermal and more. Not to mention India.

That *we* live as we do requires that *they* live as they do. Full Stop.

That fact is lost on the do-gooders who seek to equalize the standard of
living.
From the perspective of an American, they are having some success.
The American standard of living, for the masses, is headed toward that
of the third world. Good Job! Equality for all.

Products happen because people will pay whatever it takes to get what they
want.
Toxic waste happens because people won't pay to recycle that obsolete
goodie they once needed so desperately.
In a perfect world, you'd price the item to include the total life cycle
cost including recycling and environmental impact.
In the real world, that creates new opportunities for corporations,
individuals and governments to scam the system
for profit.

The solution is simple. Terminate the oldest half of the population
and feed them to the other half. Ok, maybe it's 2/3, but you get the idea.

You forgot the part where they implant the crystal in your hand, and when
it changes color, it's Lastday, you visit the carousel and maybe win a
chance at living longer, but the rest get terminated.

After which the remainders celebrate with a feast of Soylent Green.

Jonesy

 

On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 07:33:48 -0800 (PST), "pfjw@aol.com"
<pfjw@aol.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at 10:22:06 AM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 17/1/2017 5:44 PM, K Wills (Shill #3) wrote:

It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to
another country. But other countries keep buying it.

No, the US is not a signator to the Basel treaty. Nor, under the circumstances, will it be in the foreseeable future. What happens, in essence, is that US "Recyclers" haul the stuff to various locations (typically Ghana and China) and sell it more-or-less to the highest bidder dockside.

This is a real problem which either Ghana or China could solve at the stroke of a pen (sign the treaty). But neither nation is interested as the downline c

The Chinese gonernment really doesn't care about most of the populace.
Today they seem to care most about making lots of money. The
regulation of polluting industries is not very well enforced. And the
regulations are pretty lax anyway. In some towns containers of e-waste
are off loaded from ships and floated or dragged or whatever onto the
beach. The waste is then sold to townsfolk who extract the goodies and
pretty much burn the rest. The Chinese culture is weird, to me at
least, the way they think about stealing intellectual property. They
seem to me to not care a whit about who made the first whatever
product, they will copy it and sell it at will. I guess they don't
consider it stealing. Right now China is the leading miner and
producer of rare earth metals. When the first rare earth magnets
started to appear here from China some were produced under license.
That didn't last long. So the market has been flooded with rare earth
materials from China to the point that the price has dropped
drastically. To prop up prices the Chinese government started to put
restrictions on how much ore could be mined and sold or processed and
then sold. This has not worked though because all those miners who are
no longer mining for some company are now working for themselves. They
are extracting ores from the same mines they used to be employed at.
Without permission. Sometimes they even use the mining equipment owned
by the mining company, including trucks used to move the ore from the
mine to the buyer. And the ore is now being sold on the black market
for much less than it was being sold for legitimately. Hmmm. China is
weird.
Eric

 

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 18/1/2017 5:12 AM, pfjw@aol.com wrote:
> Let me tell you a little story: Between 2002 and 2005, I managed a residential compound in Saudi Arabia. We had a school of 600, about 1,300 residents, 40,000 s.f. of professional offices, a major Consulate, two supermarkets, so on and so forth. Our daytime population was well over 2,000. We made our own water (deep wells), processed our own sewer on site and more. Because our base water was not brackish, or distilled, when we processed it through either of our two treatment plants, it was cleaner than the local municipal water (which was not bad at all). As we could not reuse it for drinking (high "YUK!" factor), we used it for irrigation. We had the greenest compound in the region, and the only full-grass soccer pitch in the province. But, what of the sludge? We chelated it for heavy metals (cheap and added phosphorus), and then contributed the sludge to local farmers (Look up Milorganite for a parallel process). The local farmers repaid us by setting up a Farmers' Market in the compound every weekend - at significant discounts to the local shops - even our own supermarkets. We also started a recycling program by polling local factories on what their feedstock needs might be - and then separating our solid waste accordingly. We saved money (literally by the ton), time and developed relationships that are still in place to this day. The rest of the Kingdom pretty much still follows the DiD (Dump-in-Desert) practice. It does not take much to recycle with care and attention.

Thank you sharing, Your Honor!

But your compound was not a computer factory. The recycling job is a lot
less complicated. My guess was mobile phones were imported rather than
manufactured in that little compound.

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[Phoena Greene]

"K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It's supposed to be illegal in the U.S. to sell e-waste to
another country. But other countries keep buying it.

Well, what are we supposed to do with it. We can't keep turning e-waste into
dildos. Even a slut like Raeanne will eventually find that she has enough
dildos, one for every occasion.

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

I see we have yet another rat in the woodpile.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA