Hitachi Deskstar hard drive

[WT]

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT

 

[PhattyMo]

WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT

Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(

 

[Meat Plow]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:35:26 -0800, PhattyMo <phattymo@not.net>wrote:

WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(

I've got two 40 gig DeathStars on a Promise ATA RAID 1 controller
inside a P3-800 box that I used to use for a work PC. It ran
continuously for 2 years before being replaced by a Dell. Although I
haven't fired it up in a year I have no doubt that it will work. I was
under the assumption that the DeathStar laptop drive earned the
reputation rather than the desktop drives, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[CJT]

Meat Plow wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:35:26 -0800, PhattyMo <phattymo@not.net>wrote:


WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(


I've got two 40 gig DeathStars on a Promise ATA RAID 1 controller
inside a P3-800 box that I used to use for a work PC. It ran
continuously for 2 years before being replaced by a Dell. Although I
haven't fired it up in a year I have no doubt that it will work. I was
under the assumption that the DeathStar laptop drive earned the
reputation rather than the desktop drives, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think the problems were (are?) limited to laptop drives.

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[Peter Hucker]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:35:26 -0000, PhattyMo <phattymo@not.net> wrote:

WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(

I've seen the same number of faults with Maxtors. And Seagates. And Western Digitals. I can only conclude all drives are equal.

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[Peter Hucker]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:42:07 -0000, WT <wayne.tiffany@asi.com> wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

How much is the data worth?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280222608592

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[Meat Plow]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:33:16 -0600, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:35:26 -0800, PhattyMo <phattymo@not.net>wrote:


WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(


I've got two 40 gig DeathStars on a Promise ATA RAID 1 controller
inside a P3-800 box that I used to use for a work PC. It ran
continuously for 2 years before being replaced by a Dell. Although I
haven't fired it up in a year I have no doubt that it will work. I was
under the assumption that the DeathStar laptop drive earned the
reputation rather than the desktop drives, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think the problems were (are?) limited to laptop drives.

I recall more failures with the laptop DeathStars being a popular
drive several years back. I've got a 10 gigabyte 2.5" DeathStar that
still works. My niece's boyfriend has a 20 gig DeathStar in his old
Dell Inspiron. I gave a friend a 60 gig DeathStar 3.5" to replace his
failed drive a year ago and he's still running today. Only drives I've
ever had fail on me were a 40 gig 2.5" Toshiba, a 40 gig 3.5" Hitachi
a few 3.5" Western Digitals and a few Fujitsu 80 gig SCSI drives from
Dell Perc RAID controllers. I hjave an old Compaq Prosignia 200 with a
4.7 gig Seagate SCSI that runs 24/7 as a print server with Novell 3.11
installed.

I've had maybe 5 IBM drives and never had a failure. Guess I'm the
exception.

 

On Nov 7, 10:42 pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380.  My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data.  Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

  WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?

The only real solution is to find someone like OnTrack who can take
your drive apart in a Clean Room and read the data on the platters.
The outfits which do this have a lock on the market and know they can
screw users into paying any amount they choose to charge to do this.
(because companies are usually happy to pay any amount to do this).
As you have probably found out. These companies even have intricate
programs which con you into believing that they can do this and are
the only people who can. If it was so easy to get drives working
again, dont you think they would be able to repair your drive?

When you do this, the next problem appears which is that the will send
you DVDs with thousands of numbered directories and tens of thousands
of (numbered, not named) files on them which will take you hundreds of
hours to go through.

 

[GMAN]

In article <03b98b3f-9518-4415-aa44-c9d9630db7a2@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com>, dmanzaluni@googlemail.com wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42=A0pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. =A0My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. =A0Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

=A0 WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?

I have repaired many different brands of drives by replacing the logic board
from a known good drive to a bad drive.Saved many 18GB WD drives back then.
After i recovered the data, i replaced the boad back on the good drive.

The only real solution is to find someone like OnTrack who can take
your drive apart in a Clean Room and read the data on the platters.
The outfits which do this have a lock on the market and know they can
screw users into paying any amount they choose to charge to do this.
(because companies are usually happy to pay any amount to do this).
As you have probably found out. These companies even have intricate
programs which con you into believing that they can do this and are
the only people who can. If it was so easy to get drives working
again, dont you think they would be able to repair your drive?

When you do this, the next problem appears which is that the will send
you DVDs with thousands of numbered directories and tens of thousands
of (numbered, not named) files on them which will take you hundreds of
hours to go through.

 

On Nov 9, 2:11 pm, glenz...@nospam.xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:

In article <03b98b3f-9518-4415-aa44-c9d9630db...@r37g2000prr.googlegroups..com>, dmanzal...@googlemail.com wrote:





On Nov 7, 10:42=A0pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. =A0My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. =A0Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

=A0 WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?

I have repaired many different brands of drives by replacing the logic board
from a known good drive to a bad drive.Saved many 18GB WD drives back then.
After i recovered the data, i replaced the boad back on the good drive.



The only real solution is to find someone like OnTrack who can take
your drive apart in a Clean Room and read the data on the platters.
The outfits which do this have a lock on the market and know they can
screw users into paying any amount they choose to charge to do this.
(because companies are usually happy to pay any amount to do this).
As you have probably found out.  These companies even have intricate
programs which con you into believing that they can do this and are
the only people who can.   If it was so easy to get drives working
again, dont you think they would be able to repair your drive?

When you do this, the next problem appears which is that the will send
you DVDs with thousands of numbered directories and tens of thousands
of (numbered, not named) files on them which will take you hundreds of
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Do the WD drives have this curious and meaningless firmware number? I
wonder if this 'firmware number' reason is genuine or if it is
something put there to prevent users repairing their drives and making
them buy new ones? Has anyone ever replaced the board on a Travelstar
succesfully?

I am aware that lots of people have tried because sellers exist on
ebay pretending that their drives may have bent pins etc where in
reality they have tried to do eactly this and found that it doesnt
work. I myself sold all my old Travelstar ones on ebay when I had
established that you cant change boards on ANY of them but I wonder if
anyone has ever found a drive with the same firmware and changed a
board in a case where the board was at fault?

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, <dmanzaluni@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42 pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380.  My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data.  Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

  WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive? And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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On Nov 10, 1:48 pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, <dmanzal...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:42 pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380.  My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data.  Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

  WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive?  And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?

 

[Peter Hucker]

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:17:48 -0000, <dmanzaluni@googlemail.com> wrote:

On Nov 10, 1:48 pm, "Peter Hucker" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, <dmanzal...@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:42 pm, WT <wayne.tiff...@asi.com> wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380.  My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data.  Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

  WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive?  And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?

The maxtor site will not hand out firmware, they say to consult the system manufacturer. In my case it was a Dell poweredge server, and Dell gave me the firmware (on a bootable CD). I think the difference is they are SCSI drives, and firmware is more important?

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[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:42:07 -0800 (PST), WT <wayne.tiffany@asi.com>
wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

I've taken apart one of these drives and found that the plating on the
glass platter has been partially worn off. Not as bad as in these
photos, but still with an easily visible gap:
<http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~ken/crash/index.html>
Head crash at its worst.
<http://www.berdonclaims.com/cases/details.asp?CaseID=173>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Deskstar>

There are some other possible problems. See:
<http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/data-recovery-ibm-deskstar-hard-disk-drive.htm>
for URL's and refernces.

The "firmware" is actually on the first few tracks of the drive. It
gets loaded into RAM on bootup. It cannot be easily re-written or
replaced.

Methinks you will not have any success recovering data from a drive
that exhibits the "click of death" problem. I once wasted about $300
only to discover it was hopeless.

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

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[bz]

dmanzaluni@googlemail.com wrote in news:3161c9d3-6e40-4aae-9af9-
42df974dc1aa@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?

This guy has a series of lectures on how to fix hard drives
http://electronic-day.blogspot.com/search/label/How%20TO%20Repair%20Hard%
20Drive

He changes electronics, sometimes heads, sometimes motors.

The electronics has a map of bad sectors remapped to spares. Those will be
wrong.
But some data recovery is better than none.

The electronics needs to be produced within a few months of the 'target
drive', even if the model and rev numbers are the same, changes occur.
But some data recovery is better than none.





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please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

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[Eeyore]

WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

Try ebay. They turn up occasionally.

Graham

 

[William Sommerwerck]

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

 

[WT]

Ok, I now know what specific drive I need.

Hitachi Deskstar drive:
Model HDS728080PLA380
P/N:0A31048
MLC:BA1468

 

[Heinz Schmitz]

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

.... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested - for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have .
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

Regards,
H.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Heinz Schmitz" <HeinzSchmitz@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:vtflh4luohka0op7r027dv2a8fbltno9om@4ax.com...

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost
a massive amount of data and correspondly massive amount
of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed"
several years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested -- for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have .
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

When I said "full backup", I meant full backup. I use Copy Commander 9.1.
Unlike Ghost (and likely most other products) that claim to produce an exact
copy, Copy Commander actually creates a bootable backup. I periodically copy
the entire drive to a second hard drive. If the main drive fails, all I have
to do is stick in a jumper and swap cables, then restart. As this isn't
something I do every day, Really Important files are also backed up to a Zip
disk.

My next computer will have integral RAID, and I won't have to manually back
up again, ever. (Except possibly Really Important stuff, just to be safe.)