Help with barking dog

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Gabriel Knight

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Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
 
Gabriel Knight wrote:
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog?
not under any circumstances
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I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?
you need to take a video and present it and a complaint to the council
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after you have discussed the matter with your neighbour
Thanks
GK
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"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc,
to make myself or can you by them?
Click to expand...
There have been various "pet scarer" circuits published (I remember one in
EPE) - these have enjoyed some discussion on the web, so a search should
uncover a few useful references.

Basically you need an ultrasonic oscillator (preferably pulsed) with a
full-bridge PA stage, check out the audiophile shops for a piezo tweeter,
this is the most powerful transducer I can think of thats easy to buy.

If the local authority is anything like here in the UK, they won't take much
notice of one person complaining, your only real option is to wind the dog
up until it barks constantly day and night and pisses off half the street -
should have an animal control officer around within a week.
 
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.
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Disagreements between neighbours almost never end well.
This irritating animal is probably someone's loved companion.
Industrial grade earmuffs are fairly cheap, comfortable, and effective.
If you think of earmuffs as a smart solution rather than a surrender,
everyone wins.
 
"L.A.T." <tonyt92@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:pnWKn.27126$pv.22303@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc, to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.
Disagreements between neighbours almost never end well.
This irritating animal is probably someone's loved companion.
Industrial grade earmuffs are fairly cheap, comfortable, and effective.
If you think of earmuffs as a smart solution rather than a surrender,
everyone wins.
Click to expand...
Yeah sure, and in the prison shower block you can relax and enjoy Bubba's
gentle show of affection! :)
 
"ian field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:5VQKn.111558$6C.9155@newsfe15.ams2...
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or
annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room
I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

There have been various "pet scarer" circuits published (I remember one in
EPE) - these have enjoyed some discussion on the web, so a search should
uncover a few useful references.

Basically you need an ultrasonic oscillator (preferably pulsed) with a
full-bridge PA stage, check out the audiophile shops for a piezo tweeter,
this is the most powerful transducer I can think of thats easy to buy.

If the local authority is anything like here in the UK, they won't take
much
notice of one person complaining, your only real option is to wind the dog
up until it barks constantly day and night and pisses off half the
street -
should have an animal control officer around within a week.
Click to expand...

Or simply record the barking, and play it at loud volume every night when
the neighbours are home. (a horn speaker directed at their house will work
best) When they complain you say, but I don't have a dog, it must be yours!

MrT.
 
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc,
to make myself or can you by them?
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**Talk to your neighbour. If that fails, talk to the local government. It is
easy enough to rent a device that fits around the dog's neck, that causes
the barking habit to be curbed significantly. Usually, they're available
from the local council or the local vet.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
I caught a glimpse of "Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> on Tue,
25 May 2010 12:31:29 GMT, writing in aus.electronics:

Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?
Click to expand...
The only sort of action that is legal in Australia is to report the
barking dog to your local Council. They will probably ask you to record
a log of when the barking takes place and on the basis of what the log
contains they may take action.
--

Erik
 
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?
Thanks
GK
____________________
Speak with the neigbour first. If no joy -
Ask to talk to the Local Laws officer in your Council. You will have to keep a
log
of the times the dog barks and for how long. After 2 weeks, give the LLO the
log.
Problem solved. (???) Good Luck!

Colin
 
On May 25, 10:31 pm, "Gabriel Knight" <FakeEm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
Click to expand...

Silicon Chip had a project for this a few years back. You could look
up on their web page, search the net for their article, or buy the
issue or article from them direct

I don't know if it is legal or not, but as long as you don't make the
thing obvious, no one is likely to find out.

Having said all of this, I have no idea if the things work or not. We
sometimes have a barking dog next door, but I don't worry too much
about it, as at least it might give potential troublemakers second
thoughts about coming onto their or our property.
 
On 2010-05-25, Gabriel Knight <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?
Click to expand...
free software like audacity can make ultrasonic sounds, and you have a
computer right where it's needed.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
 
On 26/05/2010 6:25 AM, L.A.T. wrote:
"Gabriel Knight"<FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.
Click to expand...
I obtained one on approval. Totally useless. It certainly didn't stop
the dog from barking. Whether it annoyed the dog into barking more was
difficult to tell, since the dog barked pretty much continuously anyway.

Sylvia.
 
"Erik Vastmasd" <erik.vastm@sd.invalid> wrote in message
news:863j6uFar2U1@mid.individual.net...
I caught a glimpse of "Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> on Tue,
25 May 2010 12:31:29 GMT, writing in aus.electronics:

Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?

The only sort of action that is legal in Australia is to report the
barking dog to your local Council. They will probably ask you to record
a log of when the barking takes place and on the basis of what the log
contains they may take action.
Click to expand...
Yep - its great fun crawling out of bed dozens of times a night to write a
report in your nuisance diary when all you want to do is get back to sleep.

The council told me to keep a nuisance diary when the mental case in the
flat above was hammering so loud all through the night that the bloke in the
flat below kept complaining to me about it!

In the end I rigged up a 6MHz FM VCO controlled by a microphone/vibration
sensor fixed to the ceiling and coupled the RF PA into the mains wiring -
6MHz just happens to be the UK TV sound intercarrier, and it was world cup
year to boot.

The transmitter was in the airing cupboard in the bedroom, and in the
kitchen I had the sound board from a scrap TV which had a combined 6MHz
demodulator/AF PA chip and a 6MHz ceramic filter on the input, a short wire
antenna soldered to the 6MHz resonator only needed to lay alongside the
mains lead to any appliance in the kitchen to monitor the transmitter.

As I stood in the kitchen setting up the monitor amp, I could see through
the window of a bloke over the road who never draws his curtains, as soon as
I powered up the transmitter he was out of his armchair trying all the
station buttons on his TV.

Half the street can recognise the nut case's voice because she frequently
hangs out the top floor window shouting obscenities to anyone who could hear
it - so she got plenty of visits, including a few from the police.
 
"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f9c4eb83-51e0-4565-aa49-75eefd858bd3@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On May 25, 10:31 pm, "Gabriel Knight" <FakeEm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
Click to expand...

Silicon Chip had a project for this a few years back. You could look
up on their web page, search the net for their article, or buy the
issue or article from them direct

I don't know if it is legal or not, but as long as you don't make the
thing obvious, no one is likely to find out.

The whole point of ultrasonic is that humans can't hear it, but it drives
dogs nuts - especially if its pulsed.
 
"Colin Horsley" <horsley-spam@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:eoedneLP0YuhWGHWnZ2dnUVZ8q2dnZ2d@westnet.com.au...
"Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?
Thanks
GK
____________________
Speak with the neigbour first. If no joy -
Ask to talk to the Local Laws officer in your Council. You will have to
keep a
log
of the times the dog barks and for how long. After 2 weeks, give the LLO
the
log.
Problem solved. (???) Good Luck!
Click to expand...
Once you involve the authorities and tell them how distressed you are by
this nuisance, they will be on the lookout for anything you might do to
retaliate.
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfd28be$0$12735$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 26/05/2010 6:25 AM, L.A.T. wrote:
"Gabriel Knight"<FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or
annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room
I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.

I obtained one on approval. Totally useless. It certainly didn't stop the
dog from barking. Whether it annoyed the dog into barking more was
difficult to tell, since the dog barked pretty much continuously anyway.
Click to expand...
**What sort of device was it? I am aware of one type, that sprays an
unpleasant, but harmless, chemical near the dog's nose, every time it barks.
I know of a couple of people who rented these devices and they worked
perfectly. In one case, it only took a week. In the other case, it took two
weeks and the dog ceased barking. The other method I know of, but have
serious misgivings about, is a surgical procedure where the dog is
'de-barked'. I've seen the results of that too.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 27/05/2010 10:21 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfd28be$0$12735$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 26/05/2010 6:25 AM, L.A.T. wrote:
"Gabriel Knight"<FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or
annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room
I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.

I obtained one on approval. Totally useless. It certainly didn't stop the
dog from barking. Whether it annoyed the dog into barking more was
difficult to tell, since the dog barked pretty much continuously anyway.

**What sort of device was it? I am aware of one type, that sprays an
unpleasant, but harmless, chemical near the dog's nose, every time it barks.
I know of a couple of people who rented these devices and they worked
perfectly. In one case, it only took a week. In the other case, it took two
weeks and the dog ceased barking. The other method I know of, but have
serious misgivings about, is a surgical procedure where the dog is
'de-barked'. I've seen the results of that too.
Click to expand...
The device emitted a very loud ultrasonic noise which was supposed to be
unpleasant to the dog. The theory is that the dog recognises the link
between barking and the noise, and thus desists.

The device you're talking about has to be attached to the dog,
presumably by its collar. There are also devices, that I've had good
reports on, that administer a mild electric shock when the dog barks
(but bleeding-hearts got them banned in NSW[*]). However both such
devices require the cooperation of the owner, and such options are not
available of the owner is indifferent, or actually oblivious.

I eventually set up a microphone and sound activated recording software
and created a log which I sent to the council. Only then to learn that
the tenant was being evicted anyway.

[*] Apparently they are considered cruel, even though people have tried
the devices on themselves, and the shock is no more than unpleasant. And
the device is not as cruel as a brick through the dog's skull when the
neighbour is not looking.

Sylvia.
 
On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:31:29 GMT, "Gabriel Knight" <FakeEmail@hotmail.com>
wrote as underneath my scribble :

I think I have somewhere a circuit for working a high power cheap piezzo
horn at ultrasonic F- would that be of any interest to you?
Charlie+

Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer room I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it silent.
Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram, etc, to make
myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
Click to expand...
 
"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfdd4f9$0$13641$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 27/05/2010 10:21 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfd28be$0$12735$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 26/05/2010 6:25 AM, L.A.T. wrote:
"Gabriel Knight"<FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or
annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer
room
I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.

I obtained one on approval. Totally useless. It certainly didn't stop
the
dog from barking. Whether it annoyed the dog into barking more was
difficult to tell, since the dog barked pretty much continuously anyway.

**What sort of device was it? I am aware of one type, that sprays an
unpleasant, but harmless, chemical near the dog's nose, every time it
barks.
I know of a couple of people who rented these devices and they worked
perfectly. In one case, it only took a week. In the other case, it took
two
weeks and the dog ceased barking. The other method I know of, but have
serious misgivings about, is a surgical procedure where the dog is
'de-barked'. I've seen the results of that too.


The device emitted a very loud ultrasonic noise which was supposed to be
unpleasant to the dog. The theory is that the dog recognises the link
between barking and the noise, and thus desists.

The device you're talking about has to be attached to the dog, presumably
by its collar. There are also devices, that I've had good reports on, that
administer a mild electric shock when the dog barks (but bleeding-hearts
got them banned in NSW[*]). However both such devices require the
cooperation of the owner, and such options are not available of the owner
is indifferent, or actually oblivious.

I eventually set up a microphone and sound activated recording software
and created a log which I sent to the council. Only then to learn that the
tenant was being evicted anyway.

[*] Apparently they are considered cruel, even though people have tried
the devices on themselves, and the shock is no more than unpleasant. And
the device is not as cruel as a brick through the dog's skull when the
neighbour is not looking.

Sylvia.
Click to expand...
I'd definately go with pulsed ultrasonics, with a home brew unit and a well
powerful piezo tweeter you can tweak the tone and pulse rate to perfection
so it literally drives the dog mad.

This should cause sufficient distress to the owner when they have to have it
put down that they think twice before getting another.
 
On 28/05/2010 6:24 AM, ian field wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfdd4f9$0$13641$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 27/05/2010 10:21 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote in message
news:4bfd28be$0$12735$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
On 26/05/2010 6:25 AM, L.A.T. wrote:
"Gabriel Knight"<FakeEmail@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BqPKn.27083$pv.26756@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi all, Is it legal to make and use an electronic device to stop or
annoy
the hell out of a neighbours dog? I have a dog next to my computer
room
I
would like to make a device that only the dog would hear and make it
silent. Is this possable? If its possable I need to know the diagram,
etc,
to make myself or can you by them?

Thanks
GK
These devices seldom work as desired or as advertised.

I obtained one on approval. Totally useless. It certainly didn't stop
the
dog from barking. Whether it annoyed the dog into barking more was
difficult to tell, since the dog barked pretty much continuously anyway.

**What sort of device was it? I am aware of one type, that sprays an
unpleasant, but harmless, chemical near the dog's nose, every time it
barks.
I know of a couple of people who rented these devices and they worked
perfectly. In one case, it only took a week. In the other case, it took
two
weeks and the dog ceased barking. The other method I know of, but have
serious misgivings about, is a surgical procedure where the dog is
'de-barked'. I've seen the results of that too.


The device emitted a very loud ultrasonic noise which was supposed to be
unpleasant to the dog. The theory is that the dog recognises the link
between barking and the noise, and thus desists.

The device you're talking about has to be attached to the dog, presumably
by its collar. There are also devices, that I've had good reports on, that
administer a mild electric shock when the dog barks (but bleeding-hearts
got them banned in NSW[*]). However both such devices require the
cooperation of the owner, and such options are not available of the owner
is indifferent, or actually oblivious.

I eventually set up a microphone and sound activated recording software
and created a log which I sent to the council. Only then to learn that the
tenant was being evicted anyway.

[*] Apparently they are considered cruel, even though people have tried
the devices on themselves, and the shock is no more than unpleasant. And
the device is not as cruel as a brick through the dog's skull when the
neighbour is not looking.

Sylvia.


I'd definately go with pulsed ultrasonics, with a home brew unit and a well
powerful piezo tweeter you can tweak the tone and pulse rate to perfection
so it literally drives the dog mad.

This should cause sufficient distress to the owner when they have to have it
put down that they think twice before getting another.
Click to expand...
I found a posting I made elsewhere about the results of my microphone
based survey:

"Over a period of 20 days the dogs barked a total of
6685 times, an average of over 334 times a day. On one day the dogs
barked over one thousand times."

I doubt the owner of such dogs is going to notice any increase that can
be induced. As I noted ealier, the problem went away, but I think it's
naive to suppose that owners can be driven having their pets put down.

Sylvia.
 
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