Help on schematic

[N. Thornton]

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message news:<7GRJb.17514$7D3.11284@fed1read02>...

Seems to me that you may have forgotten the advice of never taking a
stun-gun into a knife-fight. Indeed, it's not smart to even go in with a
knife. You want the suspects to know that you have the overwhelming
advantage, and that it would be in their best interests to not force you to
employ that advantage. Therefore, you should be equipped with suitable
force, typically, a 9mm handgun.

If your superiors won't back up your needs, then perhaps they need some
field experience. And perhaps you are working for idiots.

Ed

Yeah - with the only exception that I'm not recomending the OP go
armed or engage in violence, or anything that may lead to violence. It
seems clear that the OP is entirely unprepared for violence, and that
it isnt in all honesty necessary, and thus should not get involved in
it. If you want to fight people, join the police or military and do it
properly.

If your employers asked you to do so in any way, while unarmed,
unassisted, untrained, and unbacked up, I would expect that would not
be legal for them. I would be looking at what employment instructions
I had received, and be reassessing the situation.


Regards, NT

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Frank Bemelman
<fbemelx@euronet.invalid.nl> wrote (in <3ff7f1db$0$166$3b62cedd@news.wan
adoo.nl&gt about 'Help on schematic', on Sun, 4 Jan 2004:

What about a large dog?

I think that is an excellent proposal. Not only is it legal but the
right breeds have aquatic operational features that could be extremely
helpful.
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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that N. Thornton <bigcat@meeow.co.uk>
wrote (in <a7076635.0401040712.5d2230f0@posting.google.com&gt about 'Help
on schematic', on Sun, 4 Jan 2004:

It
seems clear that the OP is entirely unprepared for violence,

Indeed.

and that
it isnt in all honesty necessary,

No, river poachers can get very stroppy.

and thus should not get involved in
it.

Good advice, but not always realistic.
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[@norman(nospam)brooks.fre]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that N. Thornton <bigcat@meeow.co.uk
wrote (in <a7076635.0401040712.5d2230f0@posting.google.com&gt about 'Help
on schematic', on Sun, 4 Jan 2004:

It
seems clear that the OP is entirely unprepared for violence,

Untrue, I don't know what I said to give that impression but I have
spent the last few years at a weekly martial arts class and do try to be
fit and alert. I also carry a walking stick which as long as I don't
class it as an article for self defence is ok.

Indeed.

and that
it isnt in all honesty necessary,


No, river poachers can get very stroppy.

Very true, all this has come to a head in the last year. We have had the
tyres on 2 vehicles slashed while parked during our foot patrols and
property at the homes of 2 baillifs has been damaged. This has never
been known here in living memory, never before has the problem become a
personal attack.

and thus should not get involved in
it.


Good advice, but not always realistic.

Again very true, nice to see a realistic flavour in the postings!

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that @norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co
..uk <""@norman.?> wrote (in <bt9qmo$28h$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk&gt about
'Help on schematic', on Sun, 4 Jan 2004:

Again very true, nice to see a realistic flavour in the postings!

And not just one complaining about Radio Sack's branded goods (or have
they abandoned that?).
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[N. Thornton]

"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk" <""norman\"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"> wrote in message

John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that N. Thornton <bigcat@meeow.co.uk

It
seems clear that the OP is entirely unprepared for violence,
and that
it isnt in all honesty necessary,

No, river poachers can get very stroppy.

Usually jobs are optional, in that you can look elsewhere. If you have
that option then violence is not necessary.

and thus should not get involved in
it.

Good advice, but not always realistic.

Again very true, nice to see a realistic flavour in the postings!

Yes I know, sometimes youre lumbered, and backing outs not a realistic
proposition. But in most cases there are realistic options. I would
want to pursue those myself, because if you dont you may pay a nasty
price some time.


Regards, NT

 

[Ed Price]

"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"
<""norman\"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"> wrote in message
news:bt9qmo$28h$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that N. Thornton <bigcat@meeow.co.uk
wrote (in <a7076635.0401040712.5d2230f0@posting.google.com&gt about 'Help
on schematic', on Sun, 4 Jan 2004:

It
seems clear that the OP is entirely unprepared for violence,

Untrue, I don't know what I said to give that impression but I have
spent the last few years at a weekly martial arts class and do try to be
fit and alert. I also carry a walking stick which as long as I don't
class it as an article for self defence is ok.


Indeed.

and that
it isnt in all honesty necessary,


No, river poachers can get very stroppy.

Very true, all this has come to a head in the last year. We have had the
tyres on 2 vehicles slashed while parked during our foot patrols and
property at the homes of 2 baillifs has been damaged. This has never
been known here in living memory, never before has the problem become a
personal attack.


and thus should not get involved in
it.


Good advice, but not always realistic.

Again very true, nice to see a realistic flavour in the postings!

This group isn't really the place for answers to your situation; you should
be looking for advice on enforcement procedures for solo officers in a rural
environment. I would assume that there must be some law-enforcement groups
that would be much more useful than this group.

My position is that an electrical stun-gun is not nearly an optimum weapon
for your situation. Stun-guns either depend on contact with your opponent
(and you said they could be expected to carry hunting knives, so that's
getting too close) or project conductive darts (and your opponents could be
assumed to be wearing heavy clothing, making a decent hit very questionable;
regardless, after one use, the weapon might as well be a rock).

A police-grade flashlight (which can double as a lightweight baton) may be a
good idea, as well as a sprayable tear agent. If you include the bucolic
"walking stick", you now have several levels of force to choose from.
However, as I said before, your last-resort weapon should be capable of the
reliable, multiple application of lethal force.

I don't know what the expectations are for a British "river warden",
although I suspect that, in addition to license issues and enforcing game
seasons and catch limits, you could reasonably be expected to wander into
smuggling or other more serious felonious situations. As long as your
enforcement authority is limited to advising how to tend campfires and
handing out 5-pound citations, you will be fairly safe unarmed, as avoiding
or thwarting you will not be worth anyone's trouble. However, if your
authority extends to significant citations, physical arrest, property
seizure and enforcement of general criminal law, then you can expect
instances of vigorous opposition to your authority, and you must be prepared
to use whatever force is necessary to permit you to carry out your duties
and to survive.

Ed