Help on schematic

[@norman(nospam)brooks.fre]

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick. As I said
I have searched on the net, but most of the results are questionable,
some designs don't have switches, some don't define the component parts
merely stating 'transformer 1' etc and some just don't seem practical or
have parts that don't seem to be available. I wonder if someone out
there could send me or post to a.b.s. electronics a workable design? I
have some basic knowledge of electronics but not to the extent that I
could design my own.
Any help would be appreciated and you may just help save me severe
injury at some time in the future.

With regards
Norman Brooks

 

[Walter Harley]

"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"
<""norman\"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"> wrote in message
news:bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge [...]

So because you intend to actually use it, you figure the illegality is
irrelevant? That is, the laws would only apply if you weren't going to use
it?

That seems like rather twisted logic, especially from someone whose job is
to prevent other people from doing things that are illegal but necessary to
their way of life

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that @norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co
..uk <""@norman.?> wrote (in <bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk&gt about
'Help on schematic', on Fri, 2 Jan 2004:

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics for a
stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job (I am a river
baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with knives (actually most
of them carry knives because of what they are doing). On the whole they don't
tend to hang around when challenged, but things seem to be changing and these
days they are more likely stand their ground. I would like to have a slight edge
and I think some kind of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the
trick.

Nothing doing. Look what happened to Tony Martin. You can't expect
anyone to take the responsibility of helping you to maybe 10 years in
jail.
--
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Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to
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[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:43:26 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that @norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co
.uk <""@norman.?> wrote (in <bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk&gt about
'Help on schematic', on Fri, 2 Jan 2004:
Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics for a
stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job (I am a river
baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with knives (actually most
of them carry knives because of what they are doing). On the whole they don't
tend to hang around when challenged, but things seem to be changing and these
days they are more likely stand their ground. I would like to have a slight edge
and I think some kind of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the
trick.

Nothing doing. Look what happened to Tony Martin. You can't expect
anyone to take the responsibility of helping you to maybe 10 years in
jail.

You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[Garrett Mace]

So because you intend to actually use it, you figure the illegality is
irrelevant? That is, the laws would only apply if you weren't going to
use
it?

That seems like rather twisted logic, especially from someone whose job is
to prevent other people from doing things that are illegal but necessary
to
their way of life

Yup this doesn't seem like a good plan. Pretty soon one of his zapped
poachers will realize that he can blackmail our friend into not revealing
the poaching activities. After that, the original poster will come to expect
the blackmail ploy and start to keep track of which poachers not to bother.
Suddenly you can get on his "do not bother" list by supplying an appropriate
fee. Then his superior will find out, discover the amount of money this guy
is making, and demand a kickback for allowing him to stay employed. Classic
descent into government corruption. Before you know it everyone is being
bribed all to way up to the Queen's corgi.

 

[Ian Bell]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that @norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co
.uk <""@norman.?> wrote (in <bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk&gt about
'Help on schematic', on Fri, 2 Jan 2004:
Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand their
ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind of
stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick.

Nothing doing. Look what happened to Tony Martin. You can't expect
anyone to take the responsibility of helping you to maybe 10 years in
jail.

OTOH there is very soon likely to be a bill before parliament to change
that.

Ian

 

[Ian Bell]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:43:26 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that @norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co
.uk <""@norman.?> wrote (in <bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk&gt about
'Help on schematic', on Fri, 2 Jan 2004:
Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind of
stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick.

Nothing doing. Look what happened to Tony Martin. You can't expect
anyone to take the responsibility of helping you to maybe 10 years in
jail.

You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

...Jim Thompson

-
The way the law stands at present here in the UK you cannot even put broken
glass on top of your walls. if a thief cuts himself trying to get in he
can sue you. There has been a lot of debate since the Tony Martin case and
I expect a bill will be put before parliament before very to change it so
that we can waste the bastards.

Ian

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote (in <j5cbvvsl63c2vbpb2idr3iqrcg1cmaaonb@
4ax.com&gt about 'Help on schematic', on Fri, 2 Jan 2004:

You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

Yes, well, that's too far the other way, of course. BUT, a BBC radio
audience poll result announced today found that a huge number of people
in UK wanted that to be the law here too, for burglars. Came as a
surprise to everyone. Some ambitious politicos are hurriedly studying
what to propose along those lines that stands even the remotest chance
of becoming law.
--
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Interested in professional sound reinforcement and distribution? Then go to
http://www.isce.org.uk
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[Keith R. Williams]

In article <bt4kij$9e4$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
please@sendmejunkmail.com says...

You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

I remember a Brit who was being attacked in Texas
and ran to a home for assistance, the homeowner
hearing a stranger banging frantically at his door
shot the poor guy dead. The homeowner was found
innocent of any wrong doing, just another case of
American "friendly" fire.

Gee, the last Brit who came up with this story claimed the
incident was in Florida. ...starting to sound like an urban
legend to me!

Forget the stun gun if the job is too risky get another
job.

I'd agree here! If you're neighborhood is so dangerous you need
a gun, move somewhere where they're allowed (and the chances are,
your neighborhood won't be so dangerous).

--
Keith <neighborhood so safe my guns are unloaded>

 

[Phil]

You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

I remember a Brit who was being attacked in Texas
and ran to a home for assistance, the homeowner
hearing a stranger banging frantically at his door
shot the poor guy dead. The homeowner was found
innocent of any wrong doing, just another case of
American "friendly" fire.

Forget the stun gun if the job is too risky get another
job.

Phil

 

[mike]

nospam wrote:

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick. As I said
I have searched on the net, but most of the results are questionable,
some designs don't have switches, some don't define the component parts
merely stating 'transformer 1' etc and some just don't seem practical or
have parts that don't seem to be available. I wonder if someone out
there could send me or post to a.b.s. electronics a workable design? I
have some basic knowledge of electronics but not to the extent that I
could design my own.
Any help would be appreciated and you may just help save me severe
injury at some time in the future.

With regards
Norman Brooks

Think about what you're saying...
Last thing you want is to confidently pull out your homebrew stun gun
and have it not work. "Oops, Mr. Knife-weilding thug, I'm sorry,
no offense, can I run away now?"
If you're gonna do something illegal, at least make sure it's gonna
work when you need it.
mike

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[zalzon]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 15:09:29 -0800, mike <spamme0@juno.com> wrote:

Think about what you're saying...
Last thing you want is to confidently pull out your homebrew stun gun
and have it not work. "Oops, Mr. Knife-weilding thug, I'm sorry,
no offense, can I run away now?"
If you're gonna do something illegal, at least make sure it's gonna
work when you need it.
mike

That and the possibility of causing some permanent disability to the
poacher.

 

[Brian]

Send me an E-mail and I might be able to come up with something for
you.

Basically these devices are safe as long as you don't hit the person
around the heart or head. It is a point to point shock about one inch
apart that delivers more pain than damage. Usually the sound and sight
of the spark on the stun gun is enough of a deterant. Hopefully
without actually having to use it on the person, And I do believe a
person should be able to defend themselves.

"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk" <""norman\"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"> wrote in message news:<bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick. As I said
I have searched on the net, but most of the results are questionable,
some designs don't have switches, some don't define the component parts
merely stating 'transformer 1' etc and some just don't seem practical or
have parts that don't seem to be available. I wonder if someone out
there could send me or post to a.b.s. electronics a workable design? I
have some basic knowledge of electronics but not to the extent that I
could design my own.
Any help would be appreciated and you may just help save me severe
injury at some time in the future.

With regards
Norman Brooks

 

[Mark Fergerson]

nospam wrote:

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight)

Get a sturdy one (Maglite frinst) that takes 4 D cells.
Hold it old-fashioned cop style; butt on your shoulder, hand
next to the reflector. If they give you any guff, a light
tap on the wrist/elbow/breastbone/collarbone/forehead will
induce full cooperation. Deny striking them if they whine
(don't break anything).

But FIRST, run the self-defense and deniability aspects
past your boss.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

Here is a personal stun gun story.

I purchased one of these when I was younger. I drove a 65 Mustang
with very rusty floorpans at that time.. One day I was sitting in the
car clicking the trigger and fooling with the buzzing blue warning
arc. Being young and stupid, I just had to touch the probes to my leg
to see what it felt like. I just couldn't help myself. The spark
jumped through my blue jeans caused a reflex action and made my leg
stomp down..all the way through my poor Mustangs driver-side floor
pan. Ouch My Mustang then had a new hole about foot sized under the
floormat (good for disposal of cigarrette butts, wrappers, etc) . My
leg ached for days afterwords. Please take my word for it if you
are ever thinking of trying this.

Mine was just a cheap $19.95 model that used a standard 9V battery for
the power source. Pretty neat that the voltage could be stepped up
that much. The constant center warning arc was about one inch long.
I never used it on any one (except myself) but I think it would have
worked quite well. The two outer probes were about 3 inches apart.
When you brought the probes close to anthing, a new spark would jump
from the outer probes to the target. This limits the area of shock to
between the outer probes and possibly a little going to earth ground.
I had a prison guard friend that thought they were the best thing
since sliced bread. He said that almost all of the unruly folks
would back down and comply with just the warning arc alone. I guess
most everyone is afraid of being shocked. Much better than using
physical force IMO.

Regards,

BPP

On 2 Jan 2004 17:23:13 -0800, pleasableme@hotmail.com (Brian) wrote:

Send me an E-mail and I might be able to come up with something for
you.

Basically these devices are safe as long as you don't hit the person
around the heart or head. It is a point to point shock about one inch
apart that delivers more pain than damage. Usually the sound and sight
of the spark on the stun gun is enough of a deterant. Hopefully
without actually having to use it on the person, And I do believe a
person should be able to defend themselves.

"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk" <""norman\"@norman(nospam)brooks.freeserve.co.uk"> wrote in message news:<bt49fj$dht$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight) would do the trick. As I said
I have searched on the net, but most of the results are questionable,
some designs don't have switches, some don't define the component parts
merely stating 'transformer 1' etc and some just don't seem practical or
have parts that don't seem to be available. I wonder if someone out
there could send me or post to a.b.s. electronics a workable design? I
have some basic knowledge of electronics but not to the extent that I
could design my own.
Any help would be appreciated and you may just help save me severe
injury at some time in the future.

With regards
Norman Brooks

 

[Ben Bradley]

In yet another crosspost to assorted newsgroups such as:
sci.electronics.basics,
sci.electronics.design,
sci.electronics.misc, and
sci.electronics.equipment,
Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:

In article <bt4kij$9e4$1@sparta.btinternet.com>,
please@sendmejunkmail.com says...
You poor Brits. Here in AZ, commit *any* act that might be construed
as life-threatening, and KABOOM... you're waste material and I walk
;-)

Forget the stun gun if the job is too risky get another
job.

I'd agree here! If you're neighborhood is so dangerous you need
a gun, move somewhere where they're allowed (and the chances are,
your neighborhood won't be so dangerous).

You could move to this city, where everyone KNOWS to be polite to
one another:

http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/codeofordinances.aspx

--
Keith <neighborhood so safe my guns are unloaded

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

 

[N. Thornton]

Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message news:<3FF629C6.3030807@biz.ness>...

nospam wrote:
Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged, but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight)

Strikes me the sensible options are:
1. go unarmed and dont take them on
2. go legally armed and trained sufficiently to take them on.

The idea of taking them on when you dont have the tools to do it with
any amount of safety sounds like not the smartest option to me. Its
only a job, and its your health, freedom, and maybe life youre playing
with.


Regards, NT

 

[Ed Price]

"N. Thornton" <bigcat@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a7076635.0401030413.34f707c2@posting.google.com...

Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:<3FF629C6.3030807@biz.ness>...
nospam wrote:
Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the
schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my
job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged,
but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight)


Strikes me the sensible options are:
1. go unarmed and dont take them on
2. go legally armed and trained sufficiently to take them on.

The idea of taking them on when you dont have the tools to do it with
any amount of safety sounds like not the smartest option to me. Its
only a job, and its your health, freedom, and maybe life youre playing
with.


Regards, NT

Seems to me that you may have forgotten the advice of never taking a
stun-gun into a knife-fight. Indeed, it's not smart to even go in with a
knife. You want the suspects to know that you have the overwhelming
advantage, and that it would be in their best interests to not force you to
employ that advantage. Therefore, you should be equipped with suitable
force, typically, a 9mm handgun.

If your superiors won't back up your needs, then perhaps they need some
field experience. And perhaps you are working for idiots.

Ed

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> schreef in bericht
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"N. Thornton" <bigcat@meeow.co.uk> wrote in message
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Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:<3FF629C6.3030807@biz.ness>...
nospam wrote:
Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the
schematics
for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my
job
(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers
with
knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged,
but
things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some
kind
of stunner built into a torch (flashlight)


Strikes me the sensible options are:
1. go unarmed and dont take them on
2. go legally armed and trained sufficiently to take them on.

The idea of taking them on when you dont have the tools to do it with
any amount of safety sounds like not the smartest option to me. Its
only a job, and its your health, freedom, and maybe life youre playing
with.


Regards, NT

Seems to me that you may have forgotten the advice of never taking a
stun-gun into a knife-fight. Indeed, it's not smart to even go in with a
knife. You want the suspects to know that you have the overwhelming
advantage, and that it would be in their best interests to not force you
to
employ that advantage. Therefore, you should be equipped with suitable
force, typically, a 9mm handgun.

If your superiors won't back up your needs, then perhaps they need some
field experience. And perhaps you are working for idiots.

What about a large dog?

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Mark (UK)]

Hiya!

Then the poor dog gets it instead of you :-(

I recommend and UZI and an RPG.

Yours, Mark.

Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> schreef in bericht
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nospam wrote:

Hi everyone
Happy New Year to all

Please can you help, I have done a search on the net for the

schematics

for a stun gun; yes, I do know they aren't legal in the UK but in my

job

(I am a river baillif) one occasionally comes up against poachers

with

knives (actually most of them carry knives because of what they are
doing). On the whole they don't tend to hang around when challenged,

but

things seem to be changing and these days they are more likely stand
their ground. I would like to have a slight edge and I think some

kind

of stunner built into a torch (flashlight)


Strikes me the sensible options are:
1. go unarmed and dont take them on
2. go legally armed and trained sufficiently to take them on.

The idea of taking them on when you dont have the tools to do it with
any amount of safety sounds like not the smartest option to me. Its
only a job, and its your health, freedom, and maybe life youre playing
with.


Regards, NT

Seems to me that you may have forgotten the advice of never taking a
stun-gun into a knife-fight. Indeed, it's not smart to even go in with a
knife. You want the suspects to know that you have the overwhelming
advantage, and that it would be in their best interests to not force you

to

employ that advantage. Therefore, you should be equipped with suitable
force, typically, a 9mm handgun.

If your superiors won't back up your needs, then perhaps they need some
field experience. And perhaps you are working for idiots.


What about a large dog?