Hello MODERATOR.? Time to stop the spammers....

[kilowatt]

HELLO, MODERATOR, ?

Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch
frauds and XXX ads.
Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the
topic about managing your members.

I would be happy to post interesting items for members, but they can't
see the posts for all the JUNK STUFF.

Below was pasted FYI from the Google Groups Help Center site...

hoping for a miracle.
kw

NB: "Managing your members"

* How do I control who can access the new sections in my group?
* How do I add members to my group?
* How do I control who can post in my group?
* My members are listed as non-verified. What does that mean?
* Are there email addresses that can't be added to Groups?
* What is a pending member?
* What's the difference between an owner and a manager?
* How do I invite people to my group?
* How can I change a group member's settings?
* How do I remove a post in my group?
* How do I see a list of bouncing members in my group?
* Why was my request to add or invite members flagged for review?
* How do I approve pending members?
* How do I ban a member from my group?
* I've invited people to my group but they still haven't accepted
the invitation. What can I do?
* How do I transfer ownership of my group to another member?
* Can I have more than one manager or owner of my group?
* How do I export my group's member list?
* How do I make someone a manager of my group?
* How do I see a list of my group's members?
* How do I change permissions for a manager?
* Why was my request to add members converted to invites?
* How do I approve pending messages?
* Why was my request to add members denied?
* I deleted myself as owner and can no longer access my group.
What should I do?
* How can I send someone another invitiation to my group?

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

kilowatt wrote:

HELLO, MODERATOR, ?

Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch
frauds and XXX ads.
Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the
topic about managing your members.

I would be happy to post interesting items for members, but they can't
see the posts for all the JUNK STUFF.

Below was pasted FYI from the Google Groups Help Center site...

hoping for a miracle.

This isn't a private Google Group. It is the
sci.electronics.components usenet newsgroup you are using, through
Google's crappy web interface. There is no moderator, and Google Groups
is the major source of spam on this, and most real newsgroups. If you
don't like the spam, find a real NNTP news server and install filtering
software.


The list below only applies to private, moderated, Google Groups

NB: "Managing your members"

* How do I control who can access the new sections in my group?
* How do I add members to my group?
* How do I control who can post in my group?
* My members are listed as non-verified. What does that mean?
* Are there email addresses that can't be added to Groups?
* What is a pending member?
* What's the difference between an owner and a manager?
* How do I invite people to my group?
* How can I change a group member's settings?
* How do I remove a post in my group?
* How do I see a list of bouncing members in my group?
* Why was my request to add or invite members flagged for review?
* How do I approve pending members?
* How do I ban a member from my group?
* I've invited people to my group but they still haven't accepted
the invitation. What can I do?
* How do I transfer ownership of my group to another member?
* Can I have more than one manager or owner of my group?
* How do I export my group's member list?
* How do I make someone a manager of my group?
* How do I see a list of my group's members?
* How do I change permissions for a manager?
* Why was my request to add members converted to invites?
* How do I approve pending messages?
* Why was my request to add members denied?
* I deleted myself as owner and can no longer access my group.
What should I do?
* How can I send someone another invitiation to my group?

--
http://improve-usenet.org/index.html


Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

 

[Michael Black]

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, kilowatt wrote:

HELLO, MODERATOR, ?

Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch
frauds and XXX ads.
Are you ever reading the posts, looks like you are not reading the
topic about managing your members.

Let me guess, you're posting from google? Yes indeed:

X-Trace: posting.google.com

This is Usenet, which will turn 30 next year. It's a distributed system,
with no central server; each newsserver passes messages over to the next
one, and so on, originally via phone lines but in more recent years via
the internet.

google is merely an archive of messages, with a web interface that also
allows posting. But they do a lousy job of telling users that, making
them believe they are posting to a "google group". INdeed, their
interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups", which just
then happens to work for Usenet.

SOme of the differences are that unless a specific newsgroup is moderated,
then there is no moderator. Real newsservers may be keeping some of
the junk out, so what you see at google is not what the rest of the world
may see. Also, how you see things at google is most definitely not
the way the rest of Usenet sees things.

Michael

 

[JeffM]

Michael Black wrote:

that also allows posting.
But they do a lousy job of telling users that,

Amen. Something like this should be a click-thru requirement.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E_t0eevlNNAJ:groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46492%26useful=0%26show_useful=1%26comment=+Terms+Usenet

making them believe they are posting to a "google group".
INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups",

That's arguable. ISTM if Google was truly biased

TOWARDS those people accessing Usenet thru Google Groups,
they would try hard to make that experience a spam-free one.

Folks who use REAL newsreaders know they can filter what they see
and, after the recent mega-rash of abuse,
many have just batch-plonked ALL Google Groups posters.

It's the folks who read Usenet via Google Groups
(especially those who don't know about the browser-based filters
available) who have the CRAPPIEST Usenet experience
--and will (properly) equate that with Google.

I just can't see ANY motivation for Google (the Usenet posting portal)
to respond in this uncaring manner
to spam reports about their rogue users
and to permit a spammer to continue to post
after a report has been made.

 

[JeffM]

Michael Black wrote:
INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups",

JeffM wrote
many have just batch-plonked ALL Google Groups posters.

me wrote:
No loss, they just post spam.

You are a moron.

I just can't see ANY motivation for Google (the Usenet posting portal)
to respond in this uncaring manner
to spam reports about their rogue users
and to permit a spammer to continue to post
after a report has been made.

They want to take it over.

Again: You are a moron.

With enough spamming people will complain and
then they can step in and "regulate" it...

Do you have any other mindless drivel to post?

....or some details how this would work on a decentralized network?

 

[Eeyore]

kilowatt wrote:

HELLO, MODERATOR, ?

There is no moderator in this group. It is NOT A Google Group, it's
USENET.

Are you there.???? It is time to get rid of handbag, rolex watch
frauds and XXX ads.

COMPLAIN TO GOOGLE. THEY provide the method by which the spam gets posted.

Graham

 

[Michael Black]

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, JeffM wrote:

Michael Black wrote:
[...]google is[...]a web interface [to Usenet] that also allows posting.
But they do a lousy job of telling users that,

Amen. Something like this should be a click-thru requirement.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:E_t0eevlNNAJ:groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46492%26useful=0%26show_useful=1%26comment=+Terms+Usenet

making them believe they are posting to a "google group".
INdeed, their interface is now biased in favor of their "google groups",

That's arguable. ISTM if Google was truly biased
TOWARDS those people accessing Usenet thru Google Groups,
they would try hard to make that experience a spam-free one.

"Biased towards their 'google groups'", as in the groups that are local

only to google.

The fact that I just confused you is my point. Google uses "google
groups" to refer to their own groups, and their access to Usenet, and
use the very same interface for both. That's what muddles it.

When google bought up the dejanews archive, "google groups" only meant
Usenet. But then they added their own "google groups" that started
muddling things. I can't remember if those came with the arrival
of the new interface, "google groups 2" or somewhat before.

But when they introduced "google groups 2", the interface, the default
became no quoting of what you are replying to (and hiding the bit about
quoting some level down). A web based forum has less need of quoting
since you can instantly scroll up the webpage and find the message being
replied to. But that doesn't necessarily apply to usenet.

The hiding of email addresses is another thing that's biased towards
their "google groups". Given that the rest of the world can see those
email address, and archive them if desired and even parse them to make
up an email spam list, there's not a lot of good reason to hide the email
addresses. But, the "google group" users don't have their messages
leaving google, so the hiding of their email addresses at google actually
does something.

When "google groups 2" was introduced, they actually forget (or didn't
care) that people could suddenly reply to old messages, not just months
old but even decades old. And combined with the lack of default quoting,
that caused a spew of replies to messages that nobody could find the
originals to. Then it became clear they were replying to really old
messages. Again, that's less of a consideration for "google groups",
indeed given they were just started at the time, any message could
be current rather than decades old. Google eventually reverted to
the previous policy for Usenet, of not allowing posting to messages
older than 4 weeks old, but it took a few weeks at least. They wouldn't
have made that mistake if they were thinking of Usenet rather than
their own "google groups".

So long as google treats their local groups as if equal to Usenet,
the muddling will continue, and the blundering is just so much easier.

Michael

 

[Ken Layton]

Use "Trollkiller for Google" program. It's free and works well.

http://www.source9.com/trollkiller.html

 

[Robert]

Ken Layton wrote:

Use "Trollkiller

There is no moderator in this group.
This is a newsgroup, this is "usenet"

Trolls and spammers come in since
Google opened a web-based portal to
these newsgroups and called them
GoogleGroups

usenet however is the very beginning
of the internet, is text-based and
relies on netiquette to remain an
environment worth visiting.

Robert

 

[Eric Smith]

Robert wrote:

usenet however is the very beginning of the internet,

Incorrect, the internet came first, in late 1969. Usenet didn't start
until 1979. Usenet was originally based on UUCP transport, and didn't
take advantage of the internet until much later.