Heat...

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more
reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;->
 
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:53 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd..

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;-

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

It\'s not Wikipedia - the American Institute of Physics goes back a lot longer - and they aren\'t in the business of providing bite-sized chunks of data, but if you had the patience and the wit to plough through what they do offer you\'d get to realise what a shallow twit you.

You deficiencies will prevent you from exploiting the resource - once a shallow twit, always a shallow twit - but it\'s there if you ever get a brain implant.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:27:35 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:53?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;-

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

It\'s not Wikipedia - the American Institute of Physics goes back a lot longer - and they aren\'t in the business of providing bite-sized chunks of data, but if you had the patience and the wit to plough through what they do offer you\'d get to realise what a shallow twit you.

You deficiencies will prevent you from exploiting the resource - once a shallow twit, always a shallow twit - but it\'s there if you ever get a brain implant.

All the major online sources are compromised by politics, so I\'ll
stick rigidly to unimpeachable hard-copy print sources for my
research, thanks all the same, Bill.
 
On 7/21/2023 11:42 PM, Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
    — John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves!  Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Came across a guy sitting on the side of the road, removing shoes
and socks to examine his feet.

\"Can I give you a ride someplace?\"
\"Nope\"
\"Do you need medical care?\"
\"Nope\"

<shrug> Hard to know if he\'s fully aware of his condition and
considering me nosey *or* if he\'s got mental problems and is
unable to appreciate his true condition. <frown>

Thankfully, only 364 more days of summer!
 
tirsdag den 25. juli 2023 kl. 03.17.42 UTC+2 skrev Don Y:
On 7/21/2023 11:42 PM, Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)
Came across a guy sitting on the side of the road, removing shoes
and socks to examine his feet.

\"Can I give you a ride someplace?\"
\"Nope\"
\"Do you need medical care?\"
\"Nope\"

shrug> Hard to know if he\'s fully aware of his condition and
considering me nosey *or* if he\'s got mental problems and is
unable to appreciate his true condition. <frown

Thankfully, only 364 more days of summer!

https://youtu.be/1oLhhOU8gzE
 
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:51:20 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:27:35 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:53?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized..

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;-

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

It\'s not Wikipedia - the American Institute of Physics goes back a lot longer - and they aren\'t in the business of providing bite-sized chunks of data, but if you had the patience and the wit to plough through what they do offer you\'d get to realise what a shallow twit you.

You deficiencies will prevent you from exploiting the resource - once a shallow twit, always a shallow twit - but it\'s there if you ever get a brain implant.

All the major online sources are compromised by politics, so I\'ll stick rigidly to unimpeachable hard-copy print sources for my research, thanks all the same, Bill.

The fossil carbon extraction industry hasn\'t been able to compromise any of the major on-line sources, so they settle for persuading twits like you that some mythical international conspiracy has been able to do what they couldn\'t.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

It\'s a standard tactic, pioneered by the tobacco industry, but the people who lied about the non-dangers of smoking are now lying about the non-dangers of CO2.

Your \"unimpeachable\" hard-copy print sources are giving you primitive results measured inside the bubble of high CO2 air that surround places that are heat by burning fossil carbon. Charles Keeling got a reliable 315ppm in 1958, and the measurement station he set has been giving consistent (if rising) results ever since them.

Your unwillingness to pay any attention to them, and your enthusiasm for less reliable but higher older results is simple cherry-picking.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 2023/07/21 11:42 p.m., Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
    — John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves!  Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day...  <rolls eyes>

Cool night, tonight.  86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Dust Bowl/Dirty 30s temp Per Chicago Tribune\'s Official Weather Forecast
(and a few recorded temps):

Phoenix, AZ, July 14, 1934 Max temp 112F, min temp 84F, temp at 8PM 110F.

Fresno, CA July 14, 1934 Max temp 102F, min temp 68F, temp at 8PM 100F.

Dodge City July 14, 1934 Max temp 114F, min temp 82F, temp at 8PM 106F.

And that wasn\'t the hottest day either. Nor was the temperature talked
about as a heat wave on that date...

John :-#)#


 
On 7/24/2023 11:16 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2023/07/21 11:42 p.m., Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
     — John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"

Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves!  Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day...  <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight.  86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Dust Bowl/Dirty 30s temp Per Chicago Tribune\'s Official Weather Forecast (and a
few recorded temps):

Phoenix, AZ, July 14, 1934 Max temp 112F, min temp 84F, temp at 8PM 110F.

Fresno, CA July 14, 1934 Max temp 102F, min temp 68F, temp at 8PM 100F.

Dodge City July 14, 1934 Max temp 114F, min temp 82F, temp at 8PM 106F.

And that wasn\'t the hottest day either. Nor was the temperature talked about as
a heat wave on that date...

The point of the post isn\'t one of \"records\" but, rather, the apparent
ignorance of \"normal conditions\".

Like living in Chicago and being surprised that it snows! And is COLD!

Or, that cars lose traction on snowy/icy roads.
 
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 6:00:54 PM UTC+10, Don Y wrote:
On 7/24/2023 11:16 PM, John Robertson wrote:
On 2023/07/21 11:42 p.m., Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today..
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"

Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Dust Bowl/Dirty 30s temp Per Chicago Tribune\'s Official Weather Forecast (and a
few recorded temps):

Phoenix, AZ, July 14, 1934 Max temp 112F, min temp 84F, temp at 8PM 110F.

Fresno, CA July 14, 1934 Max temp 102F, min temp 68F, temp at 8PM 100F.

Dodge City July 14, 1934 Max temp 114F, min temp 82F, temp at 8PM 106F.

And that wasn\'t the hottest day either. Nor was the temperature talked about as
a heat wave on that date...
The point of the post isn\'t one of \"records\" but, rather, the apparent
ignorance of \"normal conditions\".

It\'s been exceptionally hot in lots of places in the northern hemisphere recently.

Breaking records that had stood for a hundred years or so doesn\'t involve any kind of \"normal condition\".

Cursitor Doom wants to insist that the media are lying to us because they want to sucker us into a conspiracy to bankrupt all those lovely altruistic people who make loads of money out of selling fossil carbon as fuel, but that isn\'t what\'s going on.

> Like living in Chicago and being surprised that it snows! And is COLD!

Not exactly.

> Or, that cars lose traction on snowy/icy roads.

Even less apposite.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:51:20?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:27:35 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:53?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;-

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

It\'s not Wikipedia - the American Institute of Physics goes back a lot longer - and they aren\'t in the business of providing bite-sized chunks of data, but if you had the patience and the wit to plough through what they do offer you\'d get to realise what a shallow twit you.

You deficiencies will prevent you from exploiting the resource - once a shallow twit, always a shallow twit - but it\'s there if you ever get a brain implant.

All the major online sources are compromised by politics, so I\'ll stick rigidly to unimpeachable hard-copy print sources for my research, thanks all the same, Bill.

The fossil carbon extraction industry hasn\'t been able to compromise any of the major on-line sources, so they settle for persuading twits like you that some mythical international conspiracy has been able to do what they couldn\'t.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

It\'s a standard tactic, pioneered by the tobacco industry, but the people who lied about the non-dangers of smoking are now lying about the non-dangers of CO2.

Your \"unimpeachable\" hard-copy print sources are giving you primitive results measured inside the bubble of high CO2 air that surround places that are heat by burning fossil carbon. Charles Keeling got a reliable 315ppm in 1958, and the measurement station he set has been giving consistent (if rising) results ever since them.

Your unwillingness to pay any attention to them, and your enthusiasm for less reliable but higher older results is simple cherry-picking.

No cherry picking involved, Bill. We\'ll see what happens when \"net
zero\" is eventually achieved (let\'s say the Chinese give in and get on
board with that, because if they don\'t, all the sacrifices people
elswhere are making to cut CO2 will be futile) there will be no
improvement in regards to all the drouts and forest fires. A far more
likely candidate for culpability is the big media companies who are
pumping out more and more RF with every passing year. That far better
fits the temp profile over the last 120 years than the composition of
atmospheric gases. But you\'ll never hear about the possibility that
isonepheric electron warming from all the broadcast emissions is
behind it and no prizes for guessing why.
 
On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 8:07:59 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:02:10 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill.....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:51:20?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:27:35 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill.....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:32:53?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y <blocked...@foo..invalid> wrote:

<snip>

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

By all means feel free to post a Wikipedia link to the \"much more reliable information\" you mention then, Bill. ;-

https://history.aip.org/climate/index.htm

It\'s not Wikipedia - the American Institute of Physics goes back a lot longer - and they aren\'t in the business of providing bite-sized chunks of data, but if you had the patience and the wit to plough through what they do offer you\'d get to realise what a shallow twit you.

You deficiencies will prevent you from exploiting the resource - once a shallow twit, always a shallow twit - but it\'s there if you ever get a brain implant.

All the major online sources are compromised by politics, so I\'ll stick rigidly to unimpeachable hard-copy print sources for my research, thanks all the same, Bill.

The fossil carbon extraction industry hasn\'t been able to compromise any of the major on-line sources, so they settle for persuading twits like you that some mythical international conspiracy has been able to do what they couldn\'t.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt

It\'s a standard tactic, pioneered by the tobacco industry, but the people who lied about the non-dangers of smoking are now lying about the non-dangers of CO2.

Your \"unimpeachable\" hard-copy print sources are giving you primitive results measured inside the bubble of high CO2 air that surround places that are heat by burning fossil carbon. Charles Keeling got a reliable 315ppm in 1958, and the measurement station he set has been giving consistent (if rising) results ever since them.

Your unwillingness to pay any attention to them, and your enthusiasm for less reliable but higher older results is simple cherry-picking.

No cherry picking involved,

Ignoring inconvenient results and concentrating on the results that suit you story is cherry picking, no matter how enthusiastically you explain that it isn\'t. really.

> Bill. We\'ll see what happens when \"net zero\" is eventually achieved (let\'s say the Chinese give in and get on board with that, because if they don\'t, all the sacrifices people elsewhere are making to cut CO2 will be futile) there will be no improvement in regards to all the droughts and forest fires.

Net zero just stops the CO2 level going up any more, and the climate stops getting progressively worse, and just stays horrible.
What\'s required is an active process to get CO2 out of the air. Rock weathering is the natural route to that, but the time constant seems to be about 800 year.
Crushig lots of dolomite and spreading it over beaches and croplands could speed that up quite a bit.

China is installing more coal fired electricity generating systems, but mainly so that they can retired old 8% efficient plants and replaced them with modern 30% efficient plants. That\'s cutting CO2 emissions even if it isn\'t actually eliminating them. They are doing pretty well at installing renewable plant too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/29/china-wind-solar-power-global-renewable-energy-leader

> A far more likely candidate for culpability is the big media companies who are pumping out more and more RF with every passing year. That far better fits the temp profile over the last 120 years than the composition of atmospheric gases.

Since you insist on touting nonsensical figures for what the atmospheric gas levels actually are, it isn\'t surprising that your mythical numbers don\'t correlate with reality.

The RF power levels that you want to set up a straw man are tiny, and don\'t seem to have any effect on anything.

> But you\'ll never hear about the possibility that ionospheric electron warming from all the broadcast emissions is behind it and no prizes for guessing why.

When the sun is pushing out a lot more radio frequency energy than we do, it\'s not a theory that is going to get taken seriously. Thunderstorms- on the other side of the ionosphere are pretty energetic too. Climate change denial propaganda went for variations in solar output at one stage, but that\'s even more nonsense.

Face it. You are a pig-ignorant gullible twit, and it shows.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 

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