Heat...

[Don Y]

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes>

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:42:28 AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Homeless people and people with medical issues such as diabetes and peripheral artery disease ( nerve damage ) who couldn\'t feel they were being burned.

Climate Change Will Give Rise to More Cancers

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/11/418976/climate-change-will-give-rise-more-cancers

Climate change and infectious diseases

https://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/what-we-do/climate-change-and-infectious-diseases/index.html

Fungal pulmonary infection/ pneumonia will kill you dead quicker than the worse COVID, and its very hard to treat, and avoid. It will make Hantavirus look like a picnic.

Single flea bite leads to amputation of man’s hands, toes, family says (flea-borne typhus)

https://www.wtvy.com/2023/07/21/single-flea-bite-leads-amputation-mans-hands-toes-family-says/

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 04:45:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:42:28?AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Homeless people and people with medical issues such as diabetes and peripheral artery disease ( nerve damage ) who couldn\'t feel they were being burned.

Climate Change Will Give Rise to More Cancers

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/11/418976/climate-change-will-give-rise-more-cancers

Climate change and infectious diseases

https://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/what-we-do/climate-change-and-infectious-diseases/index.html

Fungal pulmonary infection/ pneumonia will kill you dead quicker than the worse COVID, and its very hard to treat, and avoid. It will make Hantavirus look like a picnic.

Single flea bite leads to amputation of man’s hands, toes, family says (flea-borne typhus)

https://www.wtvy.com/2023/07/21/single-flea-bite-leads-amputation-mans-hands-toes-family-says/

Sorry to diasppoint you, but Typhus is not going to make humans
extinct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus#Epidemiology

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:31:24 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 04:45:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:42:28?AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today..
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Homeless people and people with medical issues such as diabetes and peripheral artery disease ( nerve damage ) who couldn\'t feel they were being burned.

Climate Change Will Give Rise to More Cancers

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/11/418976/climate-change-will-give-rise-more-cancers

Climate change and infectious diseases

https://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/what-we-do/climate-change-and-infectious-diseases/index.html

Fungal pulmonary infection/ pneumonia will kill you dead quicker than the worse COVID, and its very hard to treat, and avoid. It will make Hantavirus look like a picnic.

Single flea bite leads to amputation of man’s hands, toes, family says (flea-borne typhus)

https://www.wtvy.com/2023/07/21/single-flea-bite-leads-amputation-mans-hands-toes-family-says/

Sorry to disappoint you, but Typhus is not going to make humans extinct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus#Epidemiology

Fred\'s message seems to be that a lot of currently minor problems are going to gang up and compound one another. No single one is going to drive us all to extinction, but his - perhaps excessively pessimistic - opinion is that the combination will do for us.

A human population crash is a more likely outcome, but extinction strike me as improbable. Anthropogenic global warming gets less dramatic as you move away from the equator.

Tasmania and New Zealand should do reasonably well.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <u9ftoc$3njfu$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...

Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Some people in this country are not very bright. Just look at the mess
going on in government by both sides and they keep getting voted back
in.

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 9:31:24 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 04:45:37 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:42:28?AM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today..
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Cool night, tonight. 86F at ~midnight (but not planned to go
any lower) after a high of 109F (which is down from the 112\'s
we\'ve been having)

Pity the folks in Feenigs; all that concrete...

[And only one storm, so far -- though a good one!]

Homeless people and people with medical issues such as diabetes and peripheral artery disease ( nerve damage ) who couldn\'t feel they were being burned.

Climate Change Will Give Rise to More Cancers

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/11/418976/climate-change-will-give-rise-more-cancers

Climate change and infectious diseases

https://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/what-we-do/climate-change-and-infectious-diseases/index.html

Fungal pulmonary infection/ pneumonia will kill you dead quicker than the worse COVID, and its very hard to treat, and avoid. It will make Hantavirus look like a picnic.

Single flea bite leads to amputation of man’s hands, toes, family says (flea-borne typhus)

https://www.wtvy.com/2023/07/21/single-flea-bite-leads-amputation-mans-hands-toes-family-says/
Sorry to diasppoint you, but Typhus is not going to make humans
extinct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhus#Epidemiology

Maybe not, but it will make them broke. In addition to hundreds of billions damage done by extreme weather, they now have nearly ten billion additional treating health problems arising from the heat waves. Some areas of the country, like southwest I assume, are actually describing the burden as overwhelming the local hospitals.

Things like burns, weird typhus infections, fungus infections, and many others, are extremely resource intensive.

 

[Don Y]

On 7/22/2023 8:42 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <u9ftoc$3njfu$1@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...

Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes

Some people in this country are not very bright.

But this is easily empirically observed. You don\'t have to conceptualize
what 180F feels like...

Put your hand on any part of your car (accidentally or intentionally)
after it\'s been sitting in the sun. Try counting to *one*...

Stand in the sun and feel it on your exposed skin.

Stand on asphalt/concrete and feel the soles of your feet.

Watch dogs desperately trying to place their paws someplace that doesn\'t
hurt as much as wherever they are currently placed.

Watch the *birds* hiding in the shade of trees, structures, etc.

Notice all of the skid marks in EVERY driveway (Hint: it wasn\'t from
cars abruptly slamming on their brakes!)

Watch the weather forecast (available many times EACH day). Do you
think the terms \"heat advisory\", \"EXTREME heat advisory\", warning, etc.
are just arbitrary terms to say, \"Golly gee, it shore is hot out dare!\"

I can understand folks who are surprised when an aerosol can stored in
their car explodes -- you wouldn\'t likely think about that possibility
(\"At what temperature will an aerosol can rupture?\")

I can understand people failing to carry *enough* water for a hike
(you need almost a half gallon per hour) esp as you don\'t really
perspire (until Monsoon season). OTOH, damn near everyone will
advise you of this as well as notices posted at popular hiking places!
And, it doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to notice that you\'ve almost
run out of water and are only 1/3 of the way through your planned hike!
(Hint: You can turn around and retrace your footsteps!)

Do people think they are immune from these effects?

Just like the idiots who drive across flooded streets and find themselves
the object of a fast-water rescue. (\"I didn\'t think it was very deep!\")

Do they go out in subzero weather wearing nothing but a T-shirt?

Just look at the mess
going on in government by both sides and they keep getting voted back
in.

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".

 

[Don Y]

On 7/22/2023 10:18 AM, Don Y wrote:

But this is easily empirically observed.  You don\'t have to conceptualize
what 180F feels like...

I landscaped the back yard on a day when it was 117F. I hauled 20T of crushed
stone from the street (where it was dropped off) to the back yard.

I drank water CONSTANTLY.

And in large quantities.

And never pissed!

Yet, wasn\'t (perceptibly) perspiring.

But, common sense told me that my body was dealing with some serious shit!

 

[Ralph Mowery]

In article <u9h30s$3t1p9$2@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".

It is the line of \"duty\". Just shows how there are idiots in the top
brass of the military to make a man stand out in the rain when the
\'commander in chief\' is under the umbrella he is holding.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:42:56 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <u9ftoc$3njfu$1...@dont-email.me>, blocked...@foo.invalid
says...

Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!
(drag your rubber-soled shoe across the pavement and notice the
streak it leaves! Or the skid marks in your driveway!)

Of course, all the newbies who think they\'ll take a nice leisurely
hike in the desert on such a bright, sunny day... <rolls eyes



Some people in this country are not very bright. Just look at the mess
going on in government by both sides and they keep getting voted back
in.

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

Military doesn\'t seek shelter from the rain.

 

[Eddy Lee]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:43 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <u9h30s$3t1p9$2...@dont-email.me>, blocked...@foo.invalid
says...

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".



It is the line of \"duty\". Just shows how there are idiots in the top
brass of the military to make a man stand out in the rain when the
\'commander in chief\' is under the umbrella he is holding.

He is stupid enough not to bring TWO umbrellas.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 22. juli 2023 kl. 22.06.39 UTC+2 skrev Eddy Lee:

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 11:57:43 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article <u9h30s$3t1p9$2...@dont-email.me>, blocked...@foo.invalid
says...

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".



It is the line of \"duty\". Just shows how there are idiots in the top
brass of the military to make a man stand out in the rain when the
\'commander in chief\' is under the umbrella he is holding.
He is stupid enough not to bring TWO umbrellas.

back there was a rule that marines were not allowed to use an umbrella in uniform

 

[Don Y]

On 7/22/2023 11:57 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <u9h30s$3t1p9$2@dont-email.me>, blockedofcourse@foo.invalid
says...

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".

It is the line of \"duty\". Just shows how there are idiots in the top
brass of the military to make a man stand out in the rain when the
\'commander in chief\' is under the umbrella he is holding.

And, perhaps, he should be willing to sit in the trenches on the
front-line in a show of support?

Much of the military is on image projection. That they are tough
enough to deal with the things that would make those they serve on
behalf of cringe.

[How keen would you be to shoot someone just because someone else
TOLD you to do so? And, then live with the consequences of that?]

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 1:57:43 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article <u9h30s$3t1p9$2...@dont-email.me>, blocked...@foo.invalid
says...

I even recall one military man ( think marine) holding an umbrella over
the president while he was getting soaked to the bone. Just not enough
sense to get out of the rain.

I suspect that\'s more along the lines of \"duty\".



It is the line of \"duty\". Just shows how there are idiots in the top
brass of the military to make a man stand out in the rain when the
\'commander in chief\' is under the umbrella he is holding.

The guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier do their thing all year around in any
weather.
<https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/27/us/tomb-of-the-unknown-soldier-trnd/index.html>

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.
All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS. The world isn\'t going to
end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t
responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56 PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitir Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

> The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitir Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of
authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became
politicized. There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even
if warming is taking place at all. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere
has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years,
so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of
human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans. And I see
you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of
yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and
many do. You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t
post links to demonstrable garbage.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

> I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

> There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

> The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

> And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

> You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq
I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your
erroneous beliefs, Bill. I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a
link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why
it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may
or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence
for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of
us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:09:32 AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:42:38?AM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:39:00 -0700 (PDT), Anthony William Sloman
bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:47:56?PM UTC+10, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 23:42:12 -0700, Don Y
blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote:

\"NEW: 85 people in Arizona suffered severe burns from contact with
pavements heated up to 180F (82C). 7 of them died. In total, 257
people had underlying cause of death listed as \'exposure to excessive
natural heat\'.

This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.
pic.twitter.com/A3lmWXyj2o
— John Burn-Murdoch (@jburnmurdoch) July 21, 2023\"


Gotta wonder how folks can NOT be aware of this, living here!

Well, Jim Thomspon lived there and he never complained about the heat.
In fact, 86\' at midnight was just \'pleasantly warm\' for ol\' Jim.

All this climate change alarmism is 99% BS.

Cursitor Doom prefer the BS served up by the climate change denial propaganda machine.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of it - not even the human race, which isn\'t responsible for any warming which may or may not be happening anyway.

The world isn\'t going to end as a result of global warming. The human race my experience a population crash if it doesn\'t take it seriously enough, but it is unlikely to drive us to extinction.

However the extra CO2 in that atmosphere - and there is more of it despite Cursitor Doom\'s enthusiasm for cherry picking unreliable estimates from the 1890\'s to try to prove otherwise - is all our own work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

It was first noticed when radiocarbon dates started coming out odd.

We have been burning enough fossil carbon (which doesn\'t contain much C-13) that the CO2 in the atmosphere doesn\'t contain as much C-13 as it used to.

Hi Bill; long time no read.

Of course not. You prefer to read stuff that doesn\'t point out how fatuous your delusions are.

I didn\'t cherry pick the data. It came from a multiplicity of authoritative print sources compiled before climate change became politicized.

Actually, before measuring CO2 levels in air got automated enough for us to be able to get enough samples to find out how carefully you had to position your sampling station to get consistent and reliable results.

Climate change didn\'t get politicised until the 1990\'s until there had been enough of it for us to sure that it was happening, and the people who politicised it were the fossil carbon extraction business who saw that their cash cow was going to get slaughtered, and started spending money on spreading the lying propaganda which you\'ve decided that you fancy.

There\'s zero correlation between CO2 and warming - even if warming is taking place at all.

Wrong.

The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has remained broadly constant at around 385ppm for the last 150 years, so everything belched out during the most industrialized century of human existence was re-absorbed by the plants and oceans.

Keeling started making accurate and consistent measurements in 1958, and nobody found any fault with them until the fossil carbon extraction industry got worried about the consequences for their cash flow some forty years later. In the mean time his CO2 levels had gone up from 315 ppm in 1958 to the current 421 ppm.

That\'s about half of what we\'ve belched out over the time. The other half has been absorbed, but as the ocean keep on warming up they will take less of it.

And I see you continue to post references to Wikipedia! You should be ashamed of yourself quoting from such garbage, which any idiot can edit - and many do.

The bad edits get corrected. I do read the pages before I post links to them, and they are pretty reliable. It really isn\'t garbage. It doesn\'t tell the story you like, but you do prefer your fatuous conspiracy theories to be totally absurd.

You purport to be a scientist of some sort so please don\'t post links to demonstrable garbage.

https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22a+w+sloman%22&oq=

I am a published and cited scientist (if a very minor one) and your idea of what constitutes \"demonstrable garbage\" makes it perfectly clear that you aren\'t, and haven\'t got the first clue about how science works.

You\'ve been published? What on? Wikipedia?? :-D

The first paper listed in the schoiar google link was published in Measurement Science and Technology. The next one was published in the Journal of Physics E, Scientific Instruments which happens to be same journal. The next one was publiushed in Review of Scientific Instruments. All of them are peer-reviewed academic journals which have been around much longer than Wikipedia. You\'ve just confirmed my claim that you haven\'t got a clue about how science works,

> There\'s nothing I can put forward that would shake you out of your erroneous beliefs, Bill.

Mainly because they aren\'t erroneous, unlike yours.

I know that from old. So I\'ll simply post a link to where anyone interested to know the *facts* about CO2 and why it\'s most emphatically *not* responsible for any of the warming we may or may not be experiencing can see the proper *documentary* evidence for themselves. They will then be in a position to determine which of us is deluded...

https://disk.yandex.com/d/fz3HkPWpK-qlWw

It won\'t show the much more reliable information that you have chosen to ignore because it contradicts your favoured fantasy.

--
Bill Sloman. Sydney