He-he! I think I Nixed an Ebay Spammer

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

I lost a bid for some transistors with long leads. I then got an email
from ebay, "Item not won, similar items found.." and it gave the
following auction, "3,29,337 Quailty Email Leads!!"(sic) (see URL
below). Obviously this is a spammer illegally selling email addresses.
So I reported it, but I went thru the steps and found no specific
prohibition against this in ebay's spam policy, or in answers, or FAQs.
I left a question for more info on a discussion forum.

Later I went back to see if it was still there, and guess what?! It is
not! Yess! Got 'em! Dirty little parasite!

Item number: 3807802336

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807802336&ssPageName
=ADME:B:RECO:US:2

--

 

[Andrew C. Green]

Later I went back to see if it was still there, and guess what?! It is
not! Yess! Got 'em! Dirty little parasite!

Item number: 3807802336

Looks like it's still up and active to me. Counter shows 31 hits so far.

-- Andy

 

[Viper]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

I lost a bid for some transistors with long leads. I then got an
email from ebay, "Item not won, similar items found.." and it gave the
following auction, "3,29,337 Quailty Email Leads!!"(sic) (see URL
below). Obviously this is a spammer illegally selling email
addresses. So I reported it, but I went thru the steps and found no
specific prohibition against this in ebay's spam policy, or in
answers, or FAQs. I left a question for more info on a discussion
forum.

Later I went back to see if it was still there, and guess what?! It
is not! Yess! Got 'em! Dirty little parasite!

Item number: 3807802336

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807802336&ssPageName
=ADME:B:RECO:US:2

I still see it....

--
Viper
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http://www.jwshosting.com - Web Hosting

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Andrew C. Green" <acg_t@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c4uppv$4b5u$1@node21.cwnet.roc.gblx.net...

Later I went back to see if it was still there, and guess what?! It
is
not! Yess! Got 'em! Dirty little parasite!

Item number: 3807802336

Looks like it's still up and active to me. Counter shows 31 hits so
far.

-- Andy

That's weird, it gave me an invalid when I tried it later.

I finally found the policy in the user agreement, and it looks to me as
if this is a violation of the user agreement.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/maillists.html

It is probably also a violation of the legal clause. I think it's
probably a violation of the can spam act.

 

[Rich Grise]

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> wrote
in message news:1075ngg2qj4dk6f@corp.supernews.com...

I lost a bid for some transistors with long leads. I then got an email
from ebay, "Item not won, similar items found.." and it gave the
following auction, "3,29,337 Quailty Email Leads!!"(sic) (see URL
below). Obviously this is a spammer illegally selling email addresses.

Well, sorry to bust your bubble, Mr. Name, but it's not illegal to sell
mailing lists, if the lists were got legitimately, and the seller has the
victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprospects' permission to sell them. A lot of people
_do_ opt-in.

Back in the days of paper mass mail, (which they called "junk mail")
I wrote a program for a guy to manage his mailing list. This was a
list of about 8,000 names and addresses of really prime fully qualified
buyers - i.e. people who had already bought stuff. People protect these
lists very zealously; and the guy's claim of $100.00 for 1000 names is
true - been there, done that. In fact, a year or so after writing that
one guy's list manager, I got approached by another guy who when the
smoke cleared paid me $800.00 for his competitor's mailing list. _That_
was illegal, because it was the first guy's property - but this was
mail order kinky porn (B&D, TV/TS, that sort of thing), so there
probably wasn't a lot of motivation to prosecute. ;-)

IOW, what the guy's doing is probably not only legal, but legal
within the ebay TOS.

Incidentally, I recently tried to dump a Red Hat Linux book (I don't
care for Red Hat - I'm a Slacker), and got an email from ebay saying
that they'd removed the listing because the copyright holder complained!

I am kinda puzzled how reselling an ink-and-paper, bound book, bought
at the bookstore, that the morons have _already_ been paid for,
constitutes a *copy*right infringement. What has been copied?

I emailed ebay, but all I get is automated responses. Oh, well.

Anybody want Red Hat Linux cheap?
(I've got "Red Hat 9 Bible," "Beginning Red Hat 9" (the one they pulled)
and "Red Hat Linux for Dummies.")

Free for picking up, Whittier, CA 90606.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Bill Garber]

"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
news:sNFcc.6005$bd4.5936@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
:
: [ SNIP ]
:
: Incidentally, I recently tried to dump a Red Hat Linux
: book (I don't care for Red Hat - I'm a Slacker), and got
: an email from ebay saying that they'd removed the listing
: because the copyright holder complained!
:
: I am kinda puzzled how reselling an ink-and-paper,
: bound book, bought at the bookstore, that the morons
: have _already_ been paid for, constitutes a *copy*right
: infringement. What has been copied?

You had probably used the word "COPY" in your description.
If you want to sell something like that in the future, then
use the word "original" not "copy".

: I emailed ebay, but all I get is automated responses. Oh, well.

Some people sell copies of downloaded software being careful
of their wording and get away with it. I report them and,
like you, get nowhere.

: Anybody want Red Hat Linux cheap? (I've got "Red Hat 9 Bible,"
: "Beginning Red Hat 9" (the one they pulled) and "Red Hat Linux
: for Dummies.") Free for picking up, Whittier, CA 90606.

I'd love them, but can you still download the software
package for free? There was a time you could get the
software and the manuals had to be bought. Not sure now.
I used RedHat 7 for a while back in the earlier days,
but I find it to be rather tedious to maintain. Just my
opinion I guess. 8o)

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
Web Site - http://garberstreet.netfirms.com
Email - willy46pa @ comcast DOT net
Change DOT to a dot to contact me



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[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
news:sNFcc.6005$bd4.5936@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" <NOSPAM@dslextreme.com
wrote
in message news:1075ngg2qj4dk6f@corp.supernews.com...
I lost a bid for some transistors with long leads. I then got an
email
from ebay, "Item not won, similar items found.." and it gave the
following auction, "3,29,337 Quailty Email Leads!!"(sic) (see URL
below). Obviously this is a spammer illegally selling email
addresses.

Well, sorry to bust your bubble, Mr. Name, but it's not illegal to
sell
mailing lists,

It _is_ illegal on ebay. See my other followup for the URL of their
user terms of service.

if the lists were got legitimately, and the seller has the
victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprospects' permission to sell them. A lot of
people
_do_ opt-in.

Yes, they're victims, because they have signed up for some promotional,
and didn't read the fine print which very likely says they're giving
their email address up and will receive a lot of spam. Or like the
victim has to uncheck the prechecked check box to keep from getting
spammed. This is not opt-in, it's a violation of the user's privacy.
It has nothing to do with spam, it has to do with privacy rights.

And your assertion that a lot of people do knowingly opt-in, that is
also problematic. When you opt-in, you knowingly give your address to
them, understanding that they will _not_ abuse it by reselling it to
anyone. If you knew that they would, then you would not have opted in.
But the spammers purposefully conceal this, because they know that no
one would then sign up.

Well, these 3 million email addresses are not opt-in, everyone knows
that. Most likely all of these email addresses were taken with
absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of the user. Just another marketing
ploy to conceal or distort the truth.

[snip]

IOW, what the guy's doing is probably not only legal, but legal
within the ebay TOS.

See my other followup for the URL.

[snip]

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Le 06 Apr 2004, "Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\""
<NOSPAM@dslextreme.com> a écrit :

That's weird, it gave me an invalid when I tried it later.

I finally found the policy in the user agreement, and it looks to me as
if this is a violation of the user agreement.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/maillists.html

It is probably also a violation of the legal clause. I think it's
probably a violation of the can spam act.

Works fine for me:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807802336

Well, they can try to bid on it, but I'm certainly not gonna fork the
$14,999.99 I bid on it...

--
Google is forever, Lamie. Don't forget that.
- The Roadie, NANAE

Visit my NANAE hangout - http://www.spamreaper.org/etaoin

 

[Mjolinor]

Far too heavy this thread so to make it lighter, and not totally unrelated

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3284949854

Look at the bid history in that, it did get to $10*10^6 at one stage.

If I buy it will you help me with the thyristor control circuitry please?

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Le 06 Apr 2004, "Rich Grise" <null@example.net> a écrit :

Well, sorry to bust your bubble, Mr. Name, but it's not illegal to sell
mailing lists, if the lists were got legitimately, and the seller has
the
victims^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hprospects' permission to sell them. A lot of
people
_do_ opt-in.

This is bullshit.

But academic, the auction has been cancelled:

Please be aware that auction:

3807802336 - 3,29,337 QUALITY EMAIL LEADS!! MLM LEADS!!

in which you were a bidding participant, has been ended early by eBay
for violating one or more of our listing guidelines.

not without someone else asking me:

From: johntamara@centurytel.net
To: me@sympatico. ca
Subject: Message from eBay Member

Message From eBay Member

Dear spambuster1234,

Do you really plan on paying over $1,200 for these leads?


Thank you,
johnathyn

(Here is another scumbag spammer to watch)


However, it's not too late to fuck-up this other auction from the same
fucker:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46690&item=
3808295749

--
Google is forever, Lamie. Don't forget that.
- The Roadie, NANAE

Visit my NANAE hangout - http://www.spamreaper.org/etaoin