HDMI problem on RP JVC

[Steve]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:04:42 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:55 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:03 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a JVC rear projection tv that I bought second hand a little over a
year ago. It works fine except for the HDMI input. When I plug it into my
cable box and switch to the digital input, it can't detect anything (and
says it's gonna turn off in 9 minutes if nothing is connected before then
). However, if I plug in my computer via a dvi/hdmi cable, the tv still
doesn't detect a connection, but the computer recognizes the tv for the
model number that it is.
To recognise the TV, the computer only needs to be able to read the
TV's EDID EEPROM via the DDC pins in the cable (pins 6,7,14,15):

http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/hdmi_dvi_cable_pinout.shtml

I have managed to read a powered-down monitor's EDID EEPROM using my
device programmer. I made a VGA DB15-to-DIP8 adapter cable and told
the programmer that it was connected to an Atmel AT24C21 serial EEPROM
which has a "DDC1/ DDC2 Interface Compliant for Monitor
Identification".

You can find the EDID in the registry at the following key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR

If you export that key to a .reg file, you will see the EDID EEPROM
data. Analysing the EDID will tell you what scan rates the TV
supports. FWIW, if you post your EDID here, I may be able to analyse
the data for you.

BTW, if you want someone to help you, it would help them if you would
indicate the TV's model number.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi again Franc,

I don't have a registry key called Enum under HKLM...I'm using Vista,
btw...that probably would've helped, eh?

I hope you are aware that JVC booby-traped the DVI modue in this set to avoid
tampering. If you remove the back without taking precautions say bye to your digital
input. See: http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Jan04/Jan0413.html

Steve
Yeah, I've read that. I haven't taken the back off, but I bought it
second-hand, so it could have been serviced in the past. However, there
is a way to reset the HDMI module from within the service menu (you do a
self-check, then turn off the tv from within the menu and unplug for 30
seconds, according to a few forums I've read). However, I don't know
how to get into this service menu.

Thats not what I was told by JVC, but if you think it will fix it give it a try;

SERVICE MENU setting
a) Press [SLEEP TIMER] key and, while the indication of
SLEEP TIMER 0 MIN is being displayed, press
[DISPLAY] key and [VIDEO STATUS] key on the
remote control unit (Fig.2) simultaneously.
b) The SERVICE MENU screen of Fig.1 is displayed.
c) Verify what to set in the SERVICE MENU, and set
whatever is necessary

Be very careful NOT to change any settings if you don't want to create a
boat ancor.

Steve
Steve Tomaszewski N2PTJ
6 North Hill Dr
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518-877-5528

 

[Curtis Brown]

"Steve" <nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:04:42 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:55 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:03 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a JVC rear projection tv that I bought second hand a little
over a
year ago. It works fine except for the HDMI input. When I plug it
into my
cable box and switch to the digital input, it can't detect anything
(and
says it's gonna turn off in 9 minutes if nothing is connected before
then
). However, if I plug in my computer via a dvi/hdmi cable, the tv
still
doesn't detect a connection, but the computer recognizes the tv for
the
model number that it is.
To recognise the TV, the computer only needs to be able to read the
TV's EDID EEPROM via the DDC pins in the cable (pins 6,7,14,15):

http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/hdmi_dvi_cable_pinout.shtml

I have managed to read a powered-down monitor's EDID EEPROM using my
device programmer. I made a VGA DB15-to-DIP8 adapter cable and told
the programmer that it was connected to an Atmel AT24C21 serial EEPROM
which has a "DDC1/ DDC2 Interface Compliant for Monitor
Identification".

You can find the EDID in the registry at the following key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR

If you export that key to a .reg file, you will see the EDID EEPROM
data. Analysing the EDID will tell you what scan rates the TV
supports. FWIW, if you post your EDID here, I may be able to analyse
the data for you.

BTW, if you want someone to help you, it would help them if you would
indicate the TV's model number.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi again Franc,

I don't have a registry key called Enum under HKLM...I'm using Vista,
btw...that probably would've helped, eh?

I hope you are aware that JVC booby-traped the DVI modue in this set to
avoid
tampering. If you remove the back without taking precautions say bye to
your digital
input. See: http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Jan04/Jan0413.html

Steve
Yeah, I've read that. I haven't taken the back off, but I bought it
second-hand, so it could have been serviced in the past. However, there
is a way to reset the HDMI module from within the service menu (you do a
self-check, then turn off the tv from within the menu and unplug for 30
seconds, according to a few forums I've read). However, I don't know
how to get into this service menu.

Thats not what I was told by JVC, but if you think it will fix it give it
a try;

SERVICE MENU setting
a) Press [SLEEP TIMER] key and, while the indication of
SLEEP TIMER 0 MIN is being displayed, press
[DISPLAY] key and [VIDEO STATUS] key on the
remote control unit (Fig.2) simultaneously.
b) The SERVICE MENU screen of Fig.1 is displayed.
c) Verify what to set in the SERVICE MENU, and set
whatever is necessary

Be very careful NOT to change any settings if you don't want to create a
boat ancor.

A great idea just popped in my brain:

How's about you tell him what settings NOT to change if he doesn't want to
create a boat anchor.

Steve
Steve Tomaszewski N2PTJ
6 North Hill Dr
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518-877-5528

 

[Curtis Brown]

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:229hpo.7nq.19.2@news.alt.net...

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:03 +0000, jordo wrote:

I have a JVC rear projection tv that I bought second hand a little over a
year ago. It works fine except for the HDMI input. When I plug it into
my cable box and switch to the digital input, it can't detect anything
(and says it's gonna turn off in 9 minutes if nothing is connected before
then
). However, if I plug in my computer via a dvi/hdmi cable, the tv
still
doesn't detect a connection, but the computer recognizes the tv for the
model number that it is. There is no setting in the tv that can affect
the input, from what I can find (and I went over all the menus multiple
times).

Any ideas on what might be causing this? If it's an electrical problem,
is it worth my time to get an electronic technician to fix it?

Jordan

Does the output of the cable box match the resolution capabilities of the
tv? If the box is set to 1080p and the tv won't do over 1080i then it may
give you these symptoms. This is probably not the case but was worth
mentioning.

Tell me what cable box outputs a 1080p signal, dim bulb? Nobody broadcasts
in 1080p, you can only get it from a Blu-Ray disc, stupid.

 

[Ashleigh Cope]

"Curtis Brown" <pryce@stripperweb.com> wrote in message
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"Steve" <nowhere.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:04:42 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:55 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:03 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a JVC rear projection tv that I bought second hand a little
over a
year ago. It works fine except for the HDMI input. When I plug it
into my
cable box and switch to the digital input, it can't detect anything
(and
says it's gonna turn off in 9 minutes if nothing is connected before
then
). However, if I plug in my computer via a dvi/hdmi cable, the tv
still
doesn't detect a connection, but the computer recognizes the tv for
the
model number that it is.
To recognise the TV, the computer only needs to be able to read the
TV's EDID EEPROM via the DDC pins in the cable (pins 6,7,14,15):

http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/hdmi_dvi_cable_pinout.shtml

I have managed to read a powered-down monitor's EDID EEPROM using my
device programmer. I made a VGA DB15-to-DIP8 adapter cable and told
the programmer that it was connected to an Atmel AT24C21 serial
EEPROM
which has a "DDC1/ DDC2 Interface Compliant for Monitor
Identification".

You can find the EDID in the registry at the following key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR

If you export that key to a .reg file, you will see the EDID EEPROM
data. Analysing the EDID will tell you what scan rates the TV
supports. FWIW, if you post your EDID here, I may be able to analyse
the data for you.

BTW, if you want someone to help you, it would help them if you would
indicate the TV's model number.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi again Franc,

I don't have a registry key called Enum under HKLM...I'm using Vista,
btw...that probably would've helped, eh?

I hope you are aware that JVC booby-traped the DVI modue in this set to
avoid
tampering. If you remove the back without taking precautions say bye
to your digital
input. See: http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Jan04/Jan0413.html

Steve
Yeah, I've read that. I haven't taken the back off, but I bought it
second-hand, so it could have been serviced in the past. However, there
is a way to reset the HDMI module from within the service menu (you do a
self-check, then turn off the tv from within the menu and unplug for 30
seconds, according to a few forums I've read). However, I don't know
how to get into this service menu.

Thats not what I was told by JVC, but if you think it will fix it give it
a try;

SERVICE MENU setting
a) Press [SLEEP TIMER] key and, while the indication of
SLEEP TIMER 0 MIN is being displayed, press
[DISPLAY] key and [VIDEO STATUS] key on the
remote control unit (Fig.2) simultaneously.
b) The SERVICE MENU screen of Fig.1 is displayed.
c) Verify what to set in the SERVICE MENU, and set
whatever is necessary

Be very careful NOT to change any settings if you don't want to create a
boat ancor.


A great idea just popped in my brain:

How's about you tell him what settings NOT to change if he doesn't want to
create a boat anchor.

Steve
Steve Tomaszewski N2PTJ
6 North Hill Dr
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518-877-5528

A great idea just popped in my brain 2:

y don't u stop being such a big fat meanie that nobody likes so somebody can
like u u big fat meanie

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:29:13 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:44 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I'll hook up the computer again to the tv
to get the registry info for you. The TV is a JVC AV8P575.

Page 68 of the user manual ...

http://resources.jvc.com/Resources/00/00/95/YA091ien.pdf

... states that ...

"The Digital-In [HDMI] terminal is not compatible with picture signals
of a personal computer."

I'd try a HDMI equipped DVD player.

In any case it still might be interesting to see what the EDID EEPROM
contains.

BTW, I believe your model is AV48P575, not AV8P575.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi Franc,

Yes, my model is the 48" version. My keyboard is on the way out and
sometimes keys don't work..

I knew that it wasnt supposed to hook up via PC, but it was the only
other option I had. I have also tried to hook up my cable box, but no
success.

Have you tried setting your PC's resolution to 640 x 480 and
experimenting with different refresh rates, eg 60Hz ???

Can you at least get into the "digital-in" option of your Initial
Setup menu? If so, then according to page 47 of your user manual, this
would confirm that your TV is receiving a HDMI 480p picture signal at
the Digital-In terminal.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:55 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I don't have a registry key called Enum under HKLM...I'm using Vista,

I'd just search the registry for "EDID" or "monitor". The data have to
be there somewhere, unless Vista decodes the EDID, stores the
supported scan rates and resolutions, and then discards the raw data.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Franc Zabkar]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:04:47 -0400, Steve <nowhere.com> put finger to
keyboard and composed:

Thats not what I was told by JVC, but if you think it will fix it give it a try;

SERVICE MENU setting
a) Press [SLEEP TIMER] key and, while the indication of
SLEEP TIMER 0 MIN is being displayed, press
[DISPLAY] key and [VIDEO STATUS] key on the
remote control unit (Fig.2) simultaneously.
b) The SERVICE MENU screen of Fig.1 is displayed.
c) Verify what to set in the SERVICE MENU, and set
whatever is necessary

Be very careful NOT to change any settings if you don't want to create a
boat ancor.

Steve
Steve Tomaszewski N2PTJ
6 North Hill Dr
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518-877-5528

Do you have a circuit diagram of the HDCP/HDMI module?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:42:20 -0700, Ashleigh Cope wrote:

A great idea just popped in my brain 2:

y don't u stop being such a big fat meanie that nobody likes so somebody
can like u u big fat meanie

Why are you replying to your Curtis Brown sock? Have you lost your mind or
just bored because nobody else replies except to slap you around?

 

[Meat Plow]

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:08:43 -0500, Andy Cuffe wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:10:36 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:


Eastlink HD box. Model number Motorola DCT6416 III

It's possible that the cable company has HDMI disabled for some reason.
It's also possible there is a HDCP compatibility problem between the cable
box and the TV. Even in my own home, I've had several situations where a
particular HDMI source just wouldn't work with a certain display. HDCP is
well known for having bugs. Andy Cuffe

The HDMI port on my SA 8300 is buggy too. Sometimes losing the sound when
switching channels. Sometime losing the default aspect ratio having to
switch back to an HD channel to 'reset' it.

 

[Stacey Chuffo]

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:22hkr2.530.17.1@news.alt.net...

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:42:20 -0700, Ashleigh Cope wrote:

A great idea just popped in my brain 2:

y don't u stop being such a big fat meanie that nobody likes so somebody
can like u u big fat meanie

Why are you replying to your Curtis Brown sock? Have you lost your mind or
just bored because nobody else replies except to slap you around?

BORING

 

[jordo]

Franc Zabkar wrote:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:29:13 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:55:44 GMT, jordo <notmy@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I'll hook up the computer again to the tv
to get the registry info for you. The TV is a JVC AV8P575.
Page 68 of the user manual ...

http://resources.jvc.com/Resources/00/00/95/YA091ien.pdf

... states that ...

"The Digital-In [HDMI] terminal is not compatible with picture signals
of a personal computer."

I'd try a HDMI equipped DVD player.

In any case it still might be interesting to see what the EDID EEPROM
contains.

BTW, I believe your model is AV48P575, not AV8P575.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi Franc,

Yes, my model is the 48" version. My keyboard is on the way out and
sometimes keys don't work..

I knew that it wasnt supposed to hook up via PC, but it was the only
other option I had. I have also tried to hook up my cable box, but no
success.

Have you tried setting your PC's resolution to 640 x 480 and
experimenting with different refresh rates, eg 60Hz ???

Can you at least get into the "digital-in" option of your Initial
Setup menu? If so, then according to page 47 of your user manual, this
would confirm that your TV is receiving a HDMI 480p picture signal at
the Digital-In terminal.

- Franc Zabkar
The "Digital-In" option is greyed out, but the "digital-in audio" and

"center ch input" options are available...

 

[Meat Plow]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:01:01 -0700, Stacey Chuffo wrote:

"Meat Plow" <meat@petitmorte.net> wrote in message
news:22hkr2.530.17.1@news.alt.net...
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:42:20 -0700, Ashleigh Cope wrote:

A great idea just popped in my brain 2:

y don't u stop being such a big fat meanie that nobody likes so
somebody can like u u big fat meanie

Why are you replying to your Curtis Brown sock? Have you lost your mind
or just bored because nobody else replies except to slap you around?

BORING

You've got a real problem needing all these socks to talk to each other.
Of course I knew you were fucking nuts when you bragged about your
gigantic 32" tv, your massive pool stick, a 10 dollar bottle of beer and
your copy of Windows Vista.

 

On Jul 27, 10:04 pm, Steve <nowhere.com> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:04:42 GMT, jordo <no...@email.address> wrote:
Steve wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:55 GMT, jordo <no...@email.address> wrote:

Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:00:03 GMT, jordo <no...@email.address> put
finger to keyboard and composed:

I have a JVC rear projection tv that I bought second hand a little over a
year ago.  It works fine except for the HDMI input.  When I plug it into my
cable box and switch to the digital input, it can't detect anything (and
says it's gonna turn off in 9 minutes if nothing is connected before then
).  However, if I plug in my computer via a dvi/hdmi cable, the tv still
doesn't detect a connection, but the computer recognizes the tv for the
model number that it is.
To recognise the TV, the computer only needs to be able to read the
TV's EDID EEPROM via the DDC pins in the cable (pins 6,7,14,15):

 http://pinouts.ru/VideoCables/hdmi_dvi_cable_pinout.shtml

I have managed to read a powered-down monitor's EDID EEPROM using my
device programmer. I made a VGA DB15-to-DIP8 adapter cable and told
the programmer that it was connected to an Atmel AT24C21 serial EEPROM
which has a "DDC1/ DDC2 Interface Compliant for Monitor
Identification".

You can find the EDID in the registry at the following key:

 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\MONITOR

If you export that key to a .reg file, you will see the EDID EEPROM
data. Analysing the EDID will tell you what scan rates the TV
supports. FWIW, if you post your EDID here, I may be able to analyse
the data for you.

BTW, if you want someone to help you, it would help them if you would
indicate the TV's model number.

- Franc Zabkar
Hi again Franc,

I don't have a registry key called Enum under HKLM...I'm using Vista,
btw...that probably would've helped, eh?

I hope you are aware that JVC booby-traped the DVI modue in this set to avoid
tampering.  If you remove the back without taking precautions say bye to your digital
input. See:http://www.iwaynet.net/~nesda/Jan04/Jan0413.html

Steve
Yeah, I've read that.  I haven't taken the back off, but I bought it
second-hand, so it could have been serviced in the past.  However, there
is a way to reset the HDMI module from within the service menu (you do a
self-check, then turn off the tv from within the menu and unplug for 30
seconds, according to a few forums I've read).  However, I don't know
how to get into this service menu.

Thats not what I was told by JVC, but if you think it will fix it give it a try;

 SERVICE MENU setting
a) Press [SLEEP TIMER] key and, while the indication of
SLEEP TIMER 0 MIN is being displayed, press
[DISPLAY] key and [VIDEO STATUS] key on the
remote control unit (Fig.2) simultaneously.
b) The SERVICE MENU screen of Fig.1 is displayed.
c) Verify what to set in the SERVICE MENU, and set
whatever is necessary

Be very careful NOT to change any settings if you don't want to create a
boat ancor.

Steve
Steve Tomaszewski  N2PTJ
6 North Hill Dr
Ballston Lake, NY 12019
518-877-5528- Hide quoted text -

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