Has Google changed it's format?

[amdx]

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 9:47:09 PM UTC-4, amdx wrote:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

Yeah, once again, Google fixes something that isn't broken. At least no functionality is missing... I think.

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 9 Aug 2019 20:47:06 -0500) it happened amdx
<nojunk@knology.net> wrote in <qil7mk$fa0$1@dont-email.me>:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

I have noticed behavior of google getting worse
I added some filters after I found a solution online, but
now it is getting worse again.
So more and more if google tries tricks I just ask bing, and the pictures work.

Looks like somebody at google is into destroying what made them great,.
Google maps sucks the same lately, so I use maps.bing.com
Luckily there is competition in search engines.

 

[Tim Williams]

Yes, they changed the format. There was about a week there where, I at
least, wasn't getting anything, it just fizzled when clicking the thumbnail.
A middle click put the old split window into a new tab though.

Tim

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"amdx" <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in message
news:qil7mk$fa0$1@dont-email.me...

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box on
the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked on, on
top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below that. First
off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

 

[piglet]

On 10/08/2019 02:47, amdx wrote:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
 Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
                                     Mikek

Perhaps some damn-fool "optimization" for mobile devices? You'll know
the end has come when LT Spice is optimized for an iPhone screen.

piglet

 

On Saturday, 10 August 2019 02:47:09 UTC+1, amdx wrote:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives results that relate to the query, google is too often off with the fairies now.


NT

 

[amdx]

On 8/10/2019 5:09 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Saturday, 10 August 2019 02:47:09 UTC+1, amdx wrote:
Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives results that relate to the query, google is too often off with the fairies now.


NT

I have hit a loop on several occasions. Clicking on the picture on the
right, goes back to the original picture that brought up the picture on
the right.
Usually there is an article that goes with the picture, I never get to
it. Duck Duck goose is getting more use for me.

Mikek

 

On Saturday, 10 August 2019 14:03:59 UTC+1, amdx wrote:

On 8/10/2019 5:09 AM, tabbypurr wrote:
On Saturday, 10 August 2019 02:47:09 UTC+1, amdx wrote:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives results that relate to the query, google is too often off with the fairies now.


NT


I have hit a loop on several occasions. Clicking on the picture on the
right, goes back to the original picture that brought up the picture on
the right.
Usually there is an article that goes with the picture, I never get to
it. Duck Duck goose is getting more use for me.

Mikek

Duckduck uses google's results, just as bad. So I've dumped them too. Startpage is sensible at least, no idea how good it is but it gets me what I need so far, google often is somewhere else entirely.


NT

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:32:16 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

Duckduck uses google's results, just as bad. So I've dumped them too.
Startpage is sensible at least, no idea how good it is but it gets
me what I need so far, google often is somewhere else entirely.
NT

Wrong, according to Gabriel Weinberg, the CEO and founder of
DuckDuckGo, who declared that DockDuckGo does NOT use Google search or
Google algorithms:
<https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-DuckDuckgo-uses-Google-search-servers-and-algorithms-instead-of-proprietary-ones>
However, they do use Google YouTube video search results because that
where all the YouTube content is located.

If you don't like the new and improved Google Image Search, you can
send feedback to Google explaining your concerns. Go to the image
search page at:
<https://www.google.com/imghp>
In the lower right corner, click on:
Settings -> Send Feedback
and unload your frustrations trying to use the latest improvements
into the tiny box provided. Please note that none of my past
suggestions, bug reports, or opinions have resulted in any fixes or
changes by Google.

Personally, I liked Blekko.com, until it was bought by IBM to become
part of the IBM Watson and then disappear:
<https://searchengineland.com/goodbye-blekko-search-engine-joins-ibms-watson-team-217633>



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On Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:17:48 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:32:16 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

Duckduck uses google's results, just as bad. So I've dumped them too.
Startpage is sensible at least, no idea how good it is but it gets
me what I need so far, google often is somewhere else entirely.
NT

Wrong, according to Gabriel Weinberg, the CEO and founder of
DuckDuckGo, who declared that DockDuckGo does NOT use Google search or
Google algorithms:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-DuckDuckgo-uses-Google-search-servers-and-algorithms-instead-of-proprietary-ones
However, they do use Google YouTube video search results because that
where all the YouTube content is located.

If you don't like the new and improved Google Image Search, you can
send feedback to Google explaining your concerns. Go to the image
search page at:
https://www.google.com/imghp
In the lower right corner, click on:
Settings -> Send Feedback
and unload your frustrations trying to use the latest improvements
into the tiny box provided. Please note that none of my past
suggestions, bug reports, or opinions have resulted in any fixes or
changes by Google.

Personally, I liked Blekko.com, until it was bought by IBM to become
part of the IBM Watson and then disappear:
https://searchengineland.com/goodbye-blekko-search-engine-joins-ibms-watson-team-217633

Whatever the reason, Duckduck suffers the same results problem as google.


NT

 

[nuny@bid.nes]

On Friday, August 9, 2019 at 6:47:09 PM UTC-7, amdx wrote:

Now, when I do a google image search, I click a picture and I get a box
on the right side about 43% of the width, with that picture I clicked
on, on top and a little text below and then 6 or 8 more picture below
that. First off, I saw the picture I wanted the info about, second
when I click on the picture again, sometime it takes me back to the
picture. It's like groundhog day.
Anyway is there something I need to change or is this the latest and
greatest from the 20 somethings.
Mikek

As of yesterday evening it has changed back to the image + six related images.

Then this morning it reverted to the "new and improved" mess.

Also, YouTube had changed so that "related" videos were no longer in a column on the right hand side but rather in a list below the video you had selected (which filled the width of the page minus margins), with comments below.

That has now reverted to the (I guess) "column view".


Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 02:18:36 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

Whatever the reason, Duckduck suffers the same results problem as google.
NT

Do you mean this problem, which you posted up-thread?

"google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives
results that relate to the query, google is too often off
with the fairies now."

If so, I don't understand the complaint or problem. If you have time,
could you provide an example of the problem? I know a few tricks for
extracting suppressed results from Google search, but I would like to
try it on your problem before I offer any suggestions or solutions.
Well, maybe a few hints:

1. Use Advanced Search instead of the Google home page:
<https://www.google.com/advanced_search>

2. Turn OFF "use private results"
<https://www.google.com/preferences>
Private results filters by your personal information. Sometimes,
that's useful, but when searching for something outside of your
typical bad habits, it's an impediment.

3. If you're looking for papers, periodicals, references, legal case
law, or technobabble, use Google Scholar:
<https://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/help.html>

4. Word searches are fine, as long as everyone uses the same
buzzwords. However, if you don't have the proper terms, use Google
Image Search. Pick out a photo that looks close, read the text, and
the magic buzzwords usually appear:
<https://www.google.com/imghp>
<https://www.google.com/advanced_image_search>



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On Monday, 12 August 2019 01:35:54 UTC+1, tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:58:13 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 02:18:36 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

Whatever the reason, Duckduck suffers the same results problem as google.
NT

Do you mean this problem, which you posted up-thread?

"google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives
results that relate to the query, google is too often off
with the fairies now."

yes

If so, I don't understand the complaint or problem. If you have time,
could you provide an example of the problem? I know a few tricks for

Next time I accidentally let google search & it messes up I'll post about it.


extracting suppressed results from Google search, but I would like to
try it on your problem before I offer any suggestions or solutions.
Well, maybe a few hints:

1. Use Advanced Search instead of the Google home page:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search

2. Turn OFF "use private results"
https://www.google.com/preferences
Private results filters by your personal information. Sometimes,
that's useful, but when searching for something outside of your
typical bad habits, it's an impediment.

3. If you're looking for papers, periodicals, references, legal case
law, or technobabble, use Google Scholar:
https://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/help.html

4. Word searches are fine, as long as everyone uses the same
buzzwords. However, if you don't have the proper terms, use Google
Image Search. Pick out a photo that looks close, read the text, and
the magic buzzwords usually appear:
https://www.google.com/imghp
https://www.google.com/advanced_image_search

I often do that. It's one thing google is still useful for.

I think the last google included "DC24" in quotes & motor. All the results omitted this, and included "dc 24v" instead. Just a waste of time.


NT

 

On Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:58:13 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 02:18:36 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

Whatever the reason, Duckduck suffers the same results problem as google.
NT

Do you mean this problem, which you posted up-thread?

"google's too broken to be much use anymore. Startpage gives
results that relate to the query, google is too often off
with the fairies now."

yes

If so, I don't understand the complaint or problem. If you have time,
could you provide an example of the problem? I know a few tricks for

Next time I accidentally let google search & it messes up I'll post about it.

extracting suppressed results from Google search, but I would like to
try it on your problem before I offer any suggestions or solutions.
Well, maybe a few hints:

1. Use Advanced Search instead of the Google home page:
https://www.google.com/advanced_search

2. Turn OFF "use private results"
https://www.google.com/preferences
Private results filters by your personal information. Sometimes,
that's useful, but when searching for something outside of your
typical bad habits, it's an impediment.

3. If you're looking for papers, periodicals, references, legal case
law, or technobabble, use Google Scholar:
https://scholar.google.com/intl/en/scholar/help.html

4. Word searches are fine, as long as everyone uses the same
buzzwords. However, if you don't have the proper terms, use Google
Image Search. Pick out a photo that looks close, read the text, and
the magic buzzwords usually appear:
https://www.google.com/imghp
https://www.google.com/advanced_image_search

I often do that. It's one thing google is still useful for.

 

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:37:57 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

I think the last google included "DC24" in quotes & motor. All the
results omitted this, and included "dc 24v" instead. Just a waste of time.

When I search for just "DC24" as in:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=DC24>
I get pages of hits about the Dyson DC24 all floors vacuum cleaner. I
presume you're looking for a motor for a vacuum cleaner.

I would narrow the results with "Dyson DC24 parts" first as in:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts>
which produces several parts distributors. Picking one of these parts
vendors at random:
<https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html>
I find that there are two motors. One in the brush bar housing which
they do not carry, and the other in the main housing to provide the
vacuum:
<https://www.ereplacementparts.com/ydk-motor-service-assy-p-2564926.html>
<https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html?page=3>
(Click on Page C)

If your DC24 search produced "DC 24v", I suspect that if you had
included the manufacturers name, you would have been directed to the
correct pages as in:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor>
Personally, I prefer searching by photo/image as in:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=isch>
which produces an adequate collection of exploded views and
prospective motor suppliers. Videos are also helpful as the same
search returns quite a few motor replacement instructional videos:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=vid>

If you were expecting Google to read your mind and provide an exact
result from only "DC24", methinks you will be disappointed by all the
search sites. Perhaps when Google has enough personal information
about you, it might be possible for Google to also read your mind and
know your intentions, rather than what you inscribe in the search box.





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[Rick C]

On Sunday, August 11, 2019 at 11:26:17 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

If you were expecting Google to read your mind and provide an exact
result from only "DC24", methinks you will be disappointed by all the
search sites.

He said, "I think the last google included "DC24" in quotes & motor." I think the results would be different with motor included.

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On Monday, 12 August 2019 04:26:17 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:37:57 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

I think the last google included "DC24" in quotes & motor. All the
results omitted this, and included "dc 24v" instead. Just a waste of time.

When I search for just "DC24" as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=DC24
I get pages of hits about the Dyson DC24 all floors vacuum cleaner. I
presume you're looking for a motor for a vacuum cleaner.

I would narrow the results with "Dyson DC24 parts" first as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts
which produces several parts distributors. Picking one of these parts
vendors at random:
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html
I find that there are two motors. One in the brush bar housing which
they do not carry, and the other in the main housing to provide the
vacuum:
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/ydk-motor-service-assy-p-2564926.html
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html?page=3
(Click on Page C)

If your DC24 search produced "DC 24v", I suspect that if you had
included the manufacturers name, you would have been directed to the
correct pages as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor
Personally, I prefer searching by photo/image as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=isch
which produces an adequate collection of exploded views and
prospective motor suppliers. Videos are also helpful as the same
search returns quite a few motor replacement instructional videos:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=vid

If you were expecting Google to read your mind and provide an exact
result from only "DC24", methinks you will be disappointed by all the
search sites. Perhaps when Google has enough personal information
about you, it might be possible for Google to also read your mind and
know your intentions, rather than what you inscribe in the search box.

Point 1: I put DC24 in quotes, and thus expect only results that contain that string. If a search engine can't even manage that anymore it's a waste of time.

Point 2: I was specifically looking to avoid distributors, parts companies etc. I was seeking a part pulled from a machine by someone in their kitchen. 'Dyson parts' or similar would generally weed those out.

Point 3: Startpage worked as intended, with suitable results right at the top 1st time, ie ones that contained the string "DC24". Why ever would I waste further time on google?

Point 4: Adding 'dyson' returns results for the main motor, not what was wanted.

Google used to be THE search engine. Now its results are too often a waste of time. It's hugely outperformed by startpage, whoever they are.


NT

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 12 Aug 2019 04:02:37 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote in
<16f05269-c2c1-4b2c-9dea-512287928f3c@googlegroups.com>:

On Monday, 12 August 2019 04:26:17 UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:37:57 -0700 (PDT), tabbypurr wrote:

I think the last google included "DC24" in quotes & motor. All the
results omitted this, and included "dc 24v" instead. Just a waste of time.

When I search for just "DC24" as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=DC24
I get pages of hits about the Dyson DC24 all floors vacuum cleaner. I
presume you're looking for a motor for a vacuum cleaner.

I would narrow the results with "Dyson DC24 parts" first as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts
which produces several parts distributors. Picking one of these parts
vendors at random:
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html
I find that there are two motors. One in the brush bar housing which
they do not carry, and the other in the main housing to provide the
vacuum:
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/ydk-motor-service-assy-p-2564926.html
https://www.ereplacementparts.com/dyson-dc24-upright-vacuum-parts-c-179635_179636_508038.html?page=3
(Click on Page C)

If your DC24 search produced "DC 24v", I suspect that if you had
included the manufacturers name, you would have been directed to the
correct pages as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor
Personally, I prefer searching by photo/image as in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=isch
which produces an adequate collection of exploded views and
prospective motor suppliers. Videos are also helpful as the same
search returns quite a few motor replacement instructional videos:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dyson+DC24+parts+motor&tbm=vid

If you were expecting Google to read your mind and provide an exact
result from only "DC24", methinks you will be disappointed by all the
search sites. Perhaps when Google has enough personal information
about you, it might be possible for Google to also read your mind and
know your intentions, rather than what you inscribe in the search box.

Point 1: I put DC24 in quotes, and thus expect only results that contain that string. If a search engine can't even manage that
anymore it's a waste of time.

Point 2: I was specifically looking to avoid distributors, parts companies etc. I was seeking a part pulled from a machine by
someone in their kitchen. 'Dyson parts' or similar would generally weed those out.

Point 3: Startpage worked as intended, with suitable results right at the top 1st time, ie ones that contained the string
"DC24". Why ever would I waste further time on google?

Point 4: Adding 'dyson' returns results for the main motor, not what was wanted.

Google used to be THE search engine. Now its results are too often a waste of time. It's hugely outperformed by startpage,
whoever they are.


NT

Hey startpage.com works very good here too,
found something google did not want to show.

 

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 8/12/2019 7:02 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

Point 1: I put DC24 in quotes, and thus expect only results that contain that string. If a search engine can't even manage that anymore it's a waste of time.
....

I agree - a major frustration. However, Startpage does it to. When
Google wasn't giving me what I wanted I tried Startpage, using a quoted
term and I got pages without that term. I.e., no better than Google.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, August 12, 2019 at 10:32:16 AM UTC-4, Bob Engelhardt wrote:

On 8/12/2019 7:02 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:
Point 1: I put DC24 in quotes, and thus expect only results that contain that string. If a search engine can't even manage that anymore it's a waste of time.
...

I agree - a major frustration. However, Startpage does it to. When
Google wasn't giving me what I wanted I tried Startpage, using a quoted
term and I got pages without that term. I.e., no better than Google.

I don't follow the complaint. I search for DC24 and I don't see a single hit on the first two pages that don't contain the term "DC24". These pages are virtually all about the Dyson motor. Is that not what is desired?

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