Happy voting...

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 16:13:55 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 07:57:43 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 13:32:44 +0100, David Brown
david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

On 03/11/2020 09:34, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent

May the best old man win


The USA is supposed to be a democratic country -

The Constitution defines what it is. Any terms you use are your
opinion and have no force in law.

Yes.

My definition of a democracy is operational:

A country is democratic if the people can dismiss and replace the
curent government without needing to wage war.

Joe Gwinn

I believe that can happen in the USA. It usually takes 4 years, but
there are shortcuts.

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 12:26:18 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 9:13:57 AM UTC-8, bitrex wrote:
On 11/3/2020 3:34 AM, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent

May the best old man win

Strolchi grinst gelassen bis zum Uberdruss, Susi gibt Strolchi einen
Zungenkuss, Westi quatscht reaktionären Stuss, und Hilmar übt den
Hitlergruss, da bellt der Jörgl laut: \"BEI FUSS!\"
Google translate said:

Strolchi grins calmly ad nauseam, Susi gives Strolchi one French kiss, Westi chats reactionary nudge, and Hilmar practices it Hitler salute, Jörgl barks loudly: \"BEI FUSS!\"

What does that really mean?

That Bitrex is off his meds, as usual.

 

[Robert Baer]

Klaus Kragelund wrote:

Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent

May the best old man win

happy voting? some one stole my vote.

Never got a ballot.

Auditor never responded to query.

Fraud anyway: how in the hell can they state the result on the first,
when voting is supposed to continue until the seventh?

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

Klaus Kragelund wrote:

> May the best old man win

Camacho isn\'t running for office right yet, so the current election is
not entertaining that much.

OTOH, the current predictions clearly indicate that havoc will start
here, as the ruling party seems not to have even a sketchy plan B. Fort
Trump, mharharhar...

Interesting times, indeed.

Best regards, Piotr

 

[bitrex]

On 11/4/2020 7:06 PM, Piotr Wyderski wrote:

Klaus Kragelund wrote:

May the best old man win

Camacho isn\'t running for office right yet, so the current election is
not entertaining that much.

OTOH, the current predictions clearly indicate that havoc will start
here, as the ruling party seems not to have even a sketchy plan B. Fort
Trump, mharharhar...

Interesting times, indeed.

    Best regards, Piotr

Some kind of backup plan:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7MzBmjaJ8>

 

[Piotr Wyderski]

bitrex wrote:

Some kind of backup plan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7MzBmjaJ8

I am afraid not; the gov guys are no geniuses. Neither is \"contingency\"
a word I would associate with them. Luckily, I have a lot of popcorn and
am ready for watching the panic in #LaughingMexican mode.

Best regards, Piotr

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Rickster C wrote:

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:55:00 PM UTC-5, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:

The Democratic party did use the KKK and they do use Antifa.

You have no basis for saying that. NONE Clearly you like to make up
your facts like Sillyanne Conway. Antifa is not even an organization
and has no identifiable members or leaders. It\'s more of a flash
mob.

It\'s a mob that Democrat mayors and governors allowed to riot, burn, and
threaten, even while in some cases they actually killed. If the
Wolverine Watchmen did that and Republican mayors and governors allowed
it you would most definitely conclude they were allies.

I won\'t argue about something that happened 150 years ago as it is
very irrelevant.

That\'s what FDR said about the constitution.

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 11/3/20 1:36 PM, Rickster C wrote:

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 10:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 17:21, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 11/3/2020 6:52 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 6:32 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 09:34, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and
that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent y May the
best old man win


The USA is supposed to be a democratic country - let\'s hope
that the person most people vote for, wins the election. And
let\'s hope that the winner of the election gets to be the next
president.

In other democracies, we take these for granted - but not in
the USA.

The United States isn\'t a democracy.
https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy


Search \"Is the United States a democracy?\" if you don\'t care for
this source.


Is the US a democracy or a republic? It is both a democracy and a
republic. A democracy because the people hold the ultimate power. A
republic because it is ruled by the law and is not a tyranny and
monarchy.

It is best described as a democratic republic.

No, the \"people\" do not hold the ultimate power. One of the wisest
quotes ever was Chairman Mao saying, \"Political power grows out of
the barrel of a gun.\" The \"people\" have pea shooters while the
government has real weapons and is willing to use them.

Well, it is /intended/ that the \"people\" have the ultimate power.


We have had two recent examples of the \"will of the people\" being
ignored when the government blindly followed the Constitution rather
than the will of the people, in one case involving the Supreme Court.
While the letter of the law was followed, the will of the people was
not. So clearly the \"people\" do not have \"ultimate power\". The
government does.


It is /intended/ that the government is empowered by the will of the
people - that\'s the idea of a democracy. The practice is not always
that good. (And the USA fails many of the checkboxes of a good
democracy, such as fair voting, with all eligible voters having the same
weighting as practically possible.)

That could be helped with a change in the Electoral College by
your state
officials. Maine and Nebraska make it possible for there to be a split in
the Elector\'s vote.
I\'ll write about Nebraska. It has three Congressional districts so
it has
a total of five Electoral College votes. The winner of each Congressional
district gets a vote. The winner of the total state vote gets the two
Electoral
College votes representing the Senators. It\'s possible for the vote to be
split.
There would still be a firewall in case the national vote is reall
close.
It wouldn\'t be necessary for the whole country to do a recount if there\'s
some sort of dispute in one state.

It would \"reduce\" the impact of the uneven handedness of the electoral college, not eliminate it. But it does nothing to deal with the truly scary prospects of the election ending up in the hands of congress. With the way the parties currently are willing to tear this country apart to advance their own interests there would be nothing at all reasonable or fair about Congress being involved in any way with the election.

There is no reason why the electoral college is needed. It is an anachronism that has long since outlasted its purpose. TIME TO GO!

This year is a good example of why it\'s beneficial. It provides a
good firewall. Officials in about 45 states can go home and resume
their regular lives.
Nebraska awarded 4 of its Electoral College votes to Trump, 1 to
Biden.
I\'m not curious enough to figure out how the election would\'ve come
out if the
whole country used the Maine/Nebraska system.

 

[Rickster C]

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:37:33 AM UTC-5, Tom Del Rosso wrote:

Rickster C wrote:
On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 12:55:00 PM UTC-5, Tom Del Rosso
wrote:

The Democratic party did use the KKK and they do use Antifa.

You have no basis for saying that. NONE Clearly you like to make up
your facts like Sillyanne Conway. Antifa is not even an organization
and has no identifiable members or leaders. It\'s more of a flash
mob.

It\'s a mob that Democrat mayors and governors allowed to riot, burn, and
threaten, even while in some cases they actually killed. If the
Wolverine Watchmen did that and Republican mayors and governors allowed
it you would most definitely conclude they were allies.

Wrong. This is what you do. You are pressed into a corner and have nothing valid to say, so you make up stuff about what others would do and defend your indefensible acts by claiming your opponent would do them.

You are just being silly.

I won\'t argue about something that happened 150 years ago as it is
very irrelevant.

That\'s what FDR said about the constitution.

Lol. At least you are in the current century... opps, no, not even that!!

--

Rick C.

-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rickster C]

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/3/20 1:36 PM, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 10:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 17:21, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 11/3/2020 6:52 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 6:32 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 09:34, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and
that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent y May the
best old man win


The USA is supposed to be a democratic country - let\'s hope
that the person most people vote for, wins the election. And
let\'s hope that the winner of the election gets to be the next
president.

In other democracies, we take these for granted - but not in
the USA.

The United States isn\'t a democracy.
https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy


Search \"Is the United States a democracy?\" if you don\'t care for
this source.


Is the US a democracy or a republic? It is both a democracy and a
republic. A democracy because the people hold the ultimate power. A
republic because it is ruled by the law and is not a tyranny and
monarchy.

It is best described as a democratic republic.

No, the \"people\" do not hold the ultimate power. One of the wisest
quotes ever was Chairman Mao saying, \"Political power grows out of
the barrel of a gun.\" The \"people\" have pea shooters while the
government has real weapons and is willing to use them.

Well, it is /intended/ that the \"people\" have the ultimate power.


We have had two recent examples of the \"will of the people\" being
ignored when the government blindly followed the Constitution rather
than the will of the people, in one case involving the Supreme Court..
While the letter of the law was followed, the will of the people was
not. So clearly the \"people\" do not have \"ultimate power\". The
government does.


It is /intended/ that the government is empowered by the will of the
people - that\'s the idea of a democracy. The practice is not always
that good. (And the USA fails many of the checkboxes of a good
democracy, such as fair voting, with all eligible voters having the same
weighting as practically possible.)

That could be helped with a change in the Electoral College by
your state
officials. Maine and Nebraska make it possible for there to be a split in
the Elector\'s vote.
I\'ll write about Nebraska. It has three Congressional districts so
it has
a total of five Electoral College votes. The winner of each Congressional
district gets a vote. The winner of the total state vote gets the two
Electoral
College votes representing the Senators. It\'s possible for the vote to be
split.
There would still be a firewall in case the national vote is reall
close.
It wouldn\'t be necessary for the whole country to do a recount if there\'s
some sort of dispute in one state.

It would \"reduce\" the impact of the uneven handedness of the electoral college, not eliminate it. But it does nothing to deal with the truly scary prospects of the election ending up in the hands of congress. With the way the parties currently are willing to tear this country apart to advance their own interests there would be nothing at all reasonable or fair about Congress being involved in any way with the election.

There is no reason why the electoral college is needed. It is an anachronism that has long since outlasted its purpose. TIME TO GO!

This year is a good example of why it\'s beneficial. It provides a
good firewall.

There\'s no firewall.

Officials in about 45 states can go home and resume
their regular lives.

As everyone could do if we presently used a popular vote. The difference is currently 3.6 million (~2%) with about that number of uncounted votes. EVERY election district has worked hard to count votes accurately and every one of them makes every effort to not need to defend their actions in court..

Nebraska awarded 4 of its Electoral College votes to Trump, 1 to
Biden.

Sorry, the states don\'t make that call until all the votes are in and NE2 still has precincts not reporting.

I\'m not curious enough to figure out how the election would\'ve come
out if the
whole country used the Maine/Nebraska system.

I don\'t particularly care. WE need a popular vote election for President. It would mean the election would take place in the entire country, not just in a few swing states.

--

Rick C.

+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Dean Hoffman]

On 11/5/20 1:37 PM, Rickster C wrote:

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 1:36 PM, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 10:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 17:21, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 11/3/2020 6:52 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 6:32 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 09:34, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and
that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent y May the
best old man win


The USA is supposed to be a democratic country - let\'s hope
that the person most people vote for, wins the election. And
let\'s hope that the winner of the election gets to be the next
president.

In other democracies, we take these for granted - but not in
the USA.

The United States isn\'t a democracy.
https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy


Search \"Is the United States a democracy?\" if you don\'t care for
this source.


Is the US a democracy or a republic? It is both a democracy and a
republic. A democracy because the people hold the ultimate power. A
republic because it is ruled by the law and is not a tyranny and
monarchy.

It is best described as a democratic republic.

No, the \"people\" do not hold the ultimate power. One of the wisest
quotes ever was Chairman Mao saying, \"Political power grows out of
the barrel of a gun.\" The \"people\" have pea shooters while the
government has real weapons and is willing to use them.

Well, it is /intended/ that the \"people\" have the ultimate power.


We have had two recent examples of the \"will of the people\" being
ignored when the government blindly followed the Constitution rather
than the will of the people, in one case involving the Supreme Court.
While the letter of the law was followed, the will of the people was
not. So clearly the \"people\" do not have \"ultimate power\". The
government does.


It is /intended/ that the government is empowered by the will of the
people - that\'s the idea of a democracy. The practice is not always
that good. (And the USA fails many of the checkboxes of a good
democracy, such as fair voting, with all eligible voters having the same
weighting as practically possible.)

That could be helped with a change in the Electoral College by
your state
officials. Maine and Nebraska make it possible for there to be a split in
the Elector\'s vote.
I\'ll write about Nebraska. It has three Congressional districts so
it has
a total of five Electoral College votes. The winner of each Congressional
district gets a vote. The winner of the total state vote gets the two
Electoral
College votes representing the Senators. It\'s possible for the vote to be
split.
There would still be a firewall in case the national vote is reall
close.
It wouldn\'t be necessary for the whole country to do a recount if there\'s
some sort of dispute in one state.

It would \"reduce\" the impact of the uneven handedness of the electoral college, not eliminate it. But it does nothing to deal with the truly scary prospects of the election ending up in the hands of congress. With the way the parties currently are willing to tear this country apart to advance their own interests there would be nothing at all reasonable or fair about Congress being involved in any way with the election.

There is no reason why the electoral college is needed. It is an anachronism that has long since outlasted its purpose. TIME TO GO!

This year is a good example of why it\'s beneficial. It provides a
good firewall.

There\'s no firewall.


Officials in about 45 states can go home and resume
their regular lives.

As everyone could do if we presently used a popular vote. The difference is currently 3.6 million (~2%) with about that number of uncounted votes. EVERY election district has worked hard to count votes accurately and every one of them makes every effort to not need to defend their actions in court.


Nebraska awarded 4 of its Electoral College votes to Trump, 1 to
Biden.

Sorry, the states don\'t make that call until all the votes are in and NE2 still has precincts not reporting.


I\'m not curious enough to figure out how the election would\'ve come
out if the
whole country used the Maine/Nebraska system.

I don\'t particularly care. WE need a popular vote election for President. It would mean the election would take place in the entire country, not just in a few swing states.

I hope the Senate stays in Republican control. Democrats will
apparently control the House. It\'s not good if the both chambers of
Congress and the President come from the same party. There\'s too much
room for mischief if they do.

 

[Sjouke Burry]

On 06.11.20 19:26, Dean Hoffman wrote:

On 11/5/20 1:37 PM, Rickster C wrote:
On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:14:20 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 1:36 PM, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 12:18:54 PM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 10:35 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 17:21, Rickster C wrote:
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-5, John S wrote:
On 11/3/2020 6:52 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/3/20 6:32 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 03/11/2020 09:34, Klaus Kragelund wrote:
Hi

An exiting day for the US. Hope you have a great day, and
that the election aftermath won\'t turn out violent y May the
best old man win


The USA is supposed to be a democratic country - let\'s hope
that the person most people vote for, wins the election. And
let\'s hope that the winner of the election gets to be the next
president.

In other democracies, we take these for granted - but not in
the USA.

The United States isn\'t a democracy.
https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/report/america-republic-not-democracy


Search \"Is the United States a democracy?\" if you don\'t care for
this source.


Is the US a democracy or a republic? It is both a democracy and a
republic. A democracy because the people hold the ultimate power. A
republic because it is ruled by the law and is not a tyranny and
monarchy.

It is best described as a democratic republic.

No, the \"people\" do not hold the ultimate power. One of the wisest
quotes ever was Chairman Mao saying, \"Political power grows out of
the barrel of a gun.\" The \"people\" have pea shooters while the
government has real weapons and is willing to use them.

Well, it is /intended/ that the \"people\" have the ultimate power.


We have had two recent examples of the \"will of the people\" being
ignored when the government blindly followed the Constitution rather
than the will of the people, in one case involving the Supreme Court.
While the letter of the law was followed, the will of the people was
not. So clearly the \"people\" do not have \"ultimate power\". The
government does.


It is /intended/ that the government is empowered by the will of the
people - that\'s the idea of a democracy. The practice is not always
that good. (And the USA fails many of the checkboxes of a good
democracy, such as fair voting, with all eligible voters having the same
weighting as practically possible.)

That could be helped with a change in the Electoral College by
your state
officials. Maine and Nebraska make it possible for there to be a split in
the Elector\'s vote.
I\'ll write about Nebraska. It has three Congressional districts so
it has
a total of five Electoral College votes. The winner of each Congressional
district gets a vote. The winner of the total state vote gets the two
Electoral
College votes representing the Senators. It\'s possible for the vote to be
split.
There would still be a firewall in case the national vote is reall
close.
It wouldn\'t be necessary for the whole country to do a recount if there\'s
some sort of dispute in one state.

It would \"reduce\" the impact of the uneven handedness of the electoral college, not eliminate it. But it does nothing to deal with the truly scary prospects of the election ending up in the hands of congress. With the way the parties currently are willing to tear this country apart to advance their own interests there would be nothing at all reasonable or fair about Congress being involved in any way with the election.

There is no reason why the electoral college is needed. It is an anachronism that has long since outlasted its purpose. TIME TO GO!

This year is a good example of why it\'s beneficial. It provides a
good firewall.

There\'s no firewall.


Officials in about 45 states can go home and resume
their regular lives.

As everyone could do if we presently used a popular vote. The difference is currently 3.6 million (~2%) with about that number of uncounted votes. EVERY election district has worked hard to count votes accurately and every one of them makes every effort to not need to defend their actions in court.


Nebraska awarded 4 of its Electoral College votes to Trump, 1 to
Biden.

Sorry, the states don\'t make that call until all the votes are in and NE2 still has precincts not reporting.


I\'m not curious enough to figure out how the election would\'ve come
out if the
whole country used the Maine/Nebraska system.

I don\'t particularly care. WE need a popular vote election for President. It would mean the election would take place in the entire country, not just in a few swing states.

I hope the Senate stays in Republican control. Democrats will
apparently control the House. It\'s not good if the both chambers of
Congress and the President come from the same party. There\'s too much
room for mischief if they do.

A nice description of the past 4 years........

 

[whit3rd]

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 10:26:52 AM UTC-8, Dean Hoffman wrote:

I hope the Senate stays in Republican control. Democrats will
apparently control the House. It\'s not good if the both chambers of
Congress and the President come from the same party. There\'s too much
room for mischief if they do.

Room is neutral; room for mischief is room for progress, or any other
purpose supported by the elected representatives of we, the people.