Hand held RADAR system

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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made
using modern electronics and information technology,

You could quasi-randomly modulate (Variable transmit and listen periods),
a solid state microwave oscillator (Gunn Diode)
with a digital code with good correlation properties (Gold Code),

cross-correlate the echoes received when in the listen mode
with the Gold Code, then cross-correlate the correlations
from the echoes with stored geo-patterns downloaded
from a Google-Earth like data base covering the area of operation,

compare adjacent (In time) echo returns to spot moving targets,
then present the pattern on a small, solid state, color display
that shows the Google-Earth like picture of the area,
with super-imposed moving targets.

You would not need a directional antenna,
nor high power for such a device,
but it would be necessary to sweep the device around
to build up a good correlation of
the area as one's body and other things
would block the signals and,
even though the Google-Earth like picture,
and the location of the RADAR would still be valid,
but blocked moving targets would not be detected.

Note that if a map of the area of operation is downloaded
into the system, and a set of times from the radar to fixed
targets is compared to the map, one could quickly correlate the
map with the echoes and determine where one is.

With such a device, one could move around,
and see where they were on a moving Google-Earth-like picture,
and see the moving targets about them,
perhaps even colored and shaped by the RADAR signatures
of the targets. (People, cars, tanks, trains, an incoming missile, etc.)

Note that for many situations that such a device could replace GPS.
Just like GPS, after the device determines where one is,
it would be able to compute changes in position quickly.

Note that Citizens Band transmitters have a power output if
about four watts, and this system would operate on much less power
as it would be pulsed and use modern digital communications.
A range of only a few miles should be enough to find enough
landmarks the system could use for references.

Hey maybe, I should patent this device?

As I mentioned in old posts,
I used "Data Mining" back in the 1980's
in my businesses and applied for a patent on "Data Mining"
just when they began to allow software to be patented,
but I decided not to complicate my life,
and didn't complete the patent.

In other words,
if you want to commercialize this idea for non-military applications,
go for it.

As any entrepreneur knows,
ideas are a dime a dozen,
and what requires blood, sweat and tears
is getting an idea to the marketplace.

The bottom line is,
no one should be able to hold progress hostage
with a patent, that is obvious to many,
as the state of the art exposes new approaches.

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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made
already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.
 
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:57:18 +0800, "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made
using modern electronics and information technology,

You could quasi-randomly modulate (Variable transmit and listen periods),
a solid state microwave oscillator (Gunn Diode)
with a digital code with good correlation properties (Gold Code),
Impulse (UWB) radar would be a lot cheaper, at least for short-range
applications. The transmitter, electronics and antenna, would cost
about 30 cents in production.

John
 
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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.
I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.

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On Aug 22, 8:57 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made
using modern electronics and information technology,

You could quasi-randomly modulate (Variable transmit and listen periods),
a solid state microwave oscillator (Gunn Diode)
with a digital code with good correlation properties (Gold Code),

I guess they stole this one from you, too. Look up
"pulse compression".

cross-correlate the echoes received when in the listen mode
with the Gold Code, then cross-correlate the correlations
from the echoes with stored geo-patterns downloaded
from a Google-Earth like data base covering the area of operation,

By the way, you need aperture for good angular resolution,
unless you do something like SAR. Did they steal that
one from you too?

- Randy
I was disappointed to see that Randy Poe
does not comprehend that one can
rotate the linear distances from the center points
of two circles to points in the circles, onto a pair of lines,
cross-correlate the data to find matches,

and that once you find a match,
you know where to put the point on a Google-like map.

Although, like the GPS system,
it will take a little time to get the first match,
once you get it, it would be easy to track where the RADAR is,
and what targets are moving about it.

I might also point out to Randy, that it makes more sense
to use modern digital techniques and low power,
broadband, transmissions using codes with good
correlation properties than it does to mess around with
an analog transmitted pulse.

If you encode the transmission with a digital code
that has good correlations properties,
you can extract tiny signals out of all kinds of background noise.

The key to having a small, low power, low cost, hand held, RADAR
is to use low power digital circuitry, that puts the emphasis on
digging tiny signals out of the returned echo,
rather than making a bigger bang.

I taught chirp and mti RADAR at Fort Monmouth back in the 50's,
and read all the info about RADAR technologies in the "MIT Radiation
Series",
and today's digital techniques are far superior to those old techniques.

And I don't know where Randy got the idea that anyone
ever stole anything from me. I am always trying to give stuff away,
like this hand-held RADAR idea.

As I mentioned, ideas are a dime a dozen,
and what takes blood, sweat and tears
is to take an idea to the marketplace.

As Edison, the guy who gave us audio, video,
electric power and modern electronics
(By his invention of the diode which lead to the triode and transistors.),
"Genius is one percent inspiration (Idea),
and 99 percent perspiration (Hard work)."

--
Tom Potter

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In sci.physics "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@yahoo.com> wrote:


As I mentioned in old posts,
I used "Data Mining" back in the 1980's
in my businesses and applied for a patent on "Data Mining"
just when they began to allow software to be patented,
but I decided not to complicate my life,
and didn't complete the patent.

Funny, that- I applied for a patent for my common cold cure back in
1965, but decided it was going to be a big hassle.

Hey, did you ever come up with your proof that there are only 800 cops
in Beijing?
I was pleased to see that "Buck Mulligan"
who got all bent out of shape by one of my posts,
was only able to challenge one comment of
the many facts and points I raised in my posts.

Considering that the point bothers "Buck Mulligan" so much emotionally,
I will research the point when I am not involved with
more important matters.

Considering that Buck claims he has a cure for the "common cold",
I suggest that he pass his cure along to the folks,
as I frequently do when I have an idea that I think might benefit folks.

Thanks for becoming a regular reader of my posts Buck.

Stay in touch, and keep scrutinizing my posts Buck,
and let me know when you think you find an error,
as I only claim to be 99.44% accurate, and
I need loyal readers like you to point out when
I make a typo, misspell, or my memory fails me.

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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.

I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.
what do you think a police radar is, dummy?



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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.

I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.

what do you think a police radar is, dummy?
It is interesting to see that "Dear Leader"
thinks [sic] that police RADAR has a PPI, GoogleMaps-like display,
and can be used to navigate much like a GPS Receiver.

I suggest that she do a Google search on "police RADAR"
and GPS so she can learn the difference.

Although it appears to be too sophisticated for her,
she might also do Google searches on "Gold Codes",
"Barker code", "cross-correlation", "digital communications",
"GPS and quasi-random" and "Doppler RADAR"
so she can begin to comprehend the difference.

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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.
I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.

--
Tom Potter

*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
*** May 2007 Anti-Bigot Award ***
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http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.

I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.

what do you think a police radar is, dummy?
It is interesting to see that "Dear Leader"
thinks [sic] that police RADAR has a PPI, GoogleMaps-like display,
and can be used to navigate much like a GPS Receiver.

I suggest that she do a Google search on "police RADAR"
and GPS so she can learn the difference.

Although it appears to be too sophisticated for her,
she might also do Google searches on "Gold Codes",
"Barker code", "cross-correlation", "digital communications",
"GPS and quasi-random" and "Doppler RADAR"
so she can begin to comprehend the difference.

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On Aug 22, 8:57 am, "Tom Potter" <tdp1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made
using modern electronics and information technology,

You could quasi-randomly modulate (Variable transmit and listen periods),
a solid state microwave oscillator (Gunn Diode)
with a digital code with good correlation properties (Gold Code),

I guess they stole this one from you, too. Look up
"pulse compression".

cross-correlate the echoes received when in the listen mode
with the Gold Code, then cross-correlate the correlations
from the echoes with stored geo-patterns downloaded
from a Google-Earth like data base covering the area of operation,

By the way, you need aperture for good angular resolution,
unless you do something like SAR. Did they steal that
one from you too?

- Randy
I was disappointed to see that Randy Poe
does not comprehend that one can
rotate the linear distances from the center points
of two circles to points in the circles, onto a pair of lines,
cross-correlate the data to find matches,

and that once you find a match,
you know where to put the point on a Google-like map.

Although, like the GPS system,
it will take a little time to get the first match,
once you get it, it would be easy to track where the RADAR is,
and what targets are moving about it.

I might also point out to Randy, that it makes more sense
to use modern digital techniques and low power,
broadband, transmissions using codes with good
correlation properties than it does to mess around with
an analog transmitted pulse.

If you encode the transmission with a digital code
that has good correlations properties,
you can extract tiny signals out of all kinds of background noise.

The key to having a small, low power, low cost, hand held, RADAR
is to use low power digital circuitry, that puts the emphasis on
digging tiny signals out of the returned echo,
rather than making a bigger bang.

I taught chirp and mti RADAR at Fort Monmouth back in the 50's,
and read all the info about RADAR technologies in the "MIT Radiation
Series",
and today's digital techniques are far superior to those old techniques.

And I don't know where Randy got the idea that anyone
ever stole anything from me. I am always trying to give stuff away,
like this hand-held RADAR idea.

As I mentioned, ideas are a dime a dozen,
and what takes blood, sweat and tears
is to take an idea to the marketplace.

As Edison, the guy who gave us audio, video,
electric power and modern electronics
(By his invention of the diode which lead to the triode and transistors.),
"Genius is one percent inspiration (Idea),
and 99 percent perspiration (Hard work)."

--
Tom Potter

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on 8/25/2007 8:55 AM Tom Potter said the following:
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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.


I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.


From my experience, a police radar has no idea where it is. It only
determines the speed of an item approaching, or departing from the unit.
The only thing it knows is the spacial distance between it and the
target and the changes in that distance within a specified time. I does
not know if it is in the United States or Saudi Arabia.


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on 8/26/2007 9:32 PM willshak said the following:
on 8/25/2007 8:55 AM Tom Potter said the following:
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A high resolution, handheld, RADAR system can be made

already done. google for it.
you should get out more, read books and mags.


I assume that "Dear Leader" is talking about
hand-held, police RADAR
used to determine the speed of cars.

If not, hopefully he will provide references to where
a hand-held RADAR is used to plot one's position
and the positions of moving targets
on a Goggle-like map.

There is a world of difference between what I propose,
and a hand held Doppler RADAR.


From my experience, a police radar has no idea where it is. It only
determines the speed of an item approaching, or departing from the unit.
The only thing it knows is the spacial distance between it and the
target and the changes in that distance within a specified time. I
does not know if it is in the United States or Saudi Arabia.


Sorry, put an extra 't' in the last sentence where appropriate.

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From my experience, a police radar has no idea where it is. It only
determines the speed of an item approaching, or departing from the unit.
The only thing it knows is the spacial distance between it and the target
and the changes in that distance within a specified time. I does not know
if it is in the United States or Saudi Arabia.
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY

Partially correct.

Standard radar guns have no clue where they are but it would be easy to add
a gps locating system and magnetic compass to give it that ability.

The radar guns do not measure the change in distance (laser speed measuring
units do it that way).
The radar gun uses the doppler shift of the signal to determine the speed.
The frequency of the returned signal is shifted proportional to the relative
speed of the target.

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From my experience, a police radar has no idea where it is. It only
determines the speed of an item approaching, or departing from the unit.
The only thing it knows is the spacial distance between it and the target
and the changes in that distance within a specified time. I does not know
if it is in the United States or Saudi Arabia.
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY


Partially correct.

Standard radar guns have no clue where they are but it would be easy to
add a gps locating system and magnetic compass to give it that ability.

The radar guns do not measure the change in distance (laser speed
measuring units do it that way).
The radar gun uses the doppler shift of the signal to determine the speed.
The frequency of the returned signal is shifted proportional to the
relative speed of the target.

--
Bill Fuhrmann
(not in Hamptonburgh, NY)
I must point out that my system is superior
to adding GPS to Doppler RADAR in a few ways:

1. It would show Google Earth graphic
(Or a combination map/graphic)
of the area around the user.

2. It would work indoors or out,
in canyons, mountains, and other bad signal areas.

3. It would not be affected by disruption
of the GPS system.

4. It would allow the military, surveyors, etc.
to set up reflectors that would provide
more precision, faster acquistion
and tweaking of targets for the units
that know about the reflectors.

5. As it would use digital communications techniques,
"Barker codes" and a pseudorandom address
for each RADAR, it would be far more sensitive
than Doppler RADAR, and have a much greater range.

An I dare say that the hardware and software
would be simpler, as far fewer correlations
would have to be made to locate one's position,
and the positions of moving targets,
on the map

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