Ham Radio license

That first line was not meant for you, sorry.

I don't mean anything negative by that but the posts got mixed up. Frikken Google with no tree view.
 
Am Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:25:24 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

Considering that you're the same name shifting troll that posts
endless threads about brake shoes, Apple batteries, smoke
machines, front end alignment and on and on and on...

I'm going dismiss what you just posted as more of your long
rambling bullshit.

*Hi Snit* (aka Fox's Mercantile),

You *never* add value to *any* thread.

The problem with you, Snit, is that you can't possibly ever post anything
but accusations of trolls.

*You can't answer an on-topic question if you needed to save your life.*
1. You have zero technical expertise
2. You have zero intent to be helpful
3. You just want to accuse everyone else of exactly what you are doing.

Hence, you can't stay on topic and you always accuse everyone else of doing
what you constantly do, Snit.

Just watch.
 
On 4/6/18 5:17 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:25:24 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

Considering that you're the same name shifting troll that posts
endless threads about brake shoes, Apple batteries, smoke
machines, front end alignment and on and on and on...

I'm going dismiss what you just posted as more of your long
rambling bullshit.

*Hi Snit* (aka Fox's Mercantile),

I was right, and you just proved it by going off,

And I'm not fucking Snit you asshole.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
Am Fri, 6 Apr 2018 09:48:56 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> And I'm not fucking Snit you asshole.

And yet, you prove in every post what you can't hide, which is that you are
Snit.

1. You have zero helpful intent
2. You have zero technical capabiltiees
3. Hence you can only troll - and - you accuse everyone else of trolling.

*You are _Snit_, Fox Mercantile.*

You just hate that everyone knows it.
 
On 4/6/18 10:41 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
> *You are _Snit_, Fox Mercantile.*

BWahahaha, I'm not Snit, but you're still an asshole.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
Am Fri, 6 Apr 2018 11:16:01 -0500, schrieb Fox's Mercantile:

> BWahahaha, I'm not Snit, but you're still an asshole.

Hehhehheh ... and yet, you *are Snit*, which you prove in every post!
 
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:28:59 -0400, bitrex
<bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

I thought about getting a ham license at one point and even as a US
citizen it all just seemed like a huge hassle for not much reward. If
I'd been born in the 50s or 60s I probably would've gotten into it, but
I was born in the dying days of disco instead.

I was born in the late 40's and obtained a ham license when I was
about 13 years old. Sputnik had been launched about 3 years earlier
(1957) and the US went nuts.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=sputnik+fever>
We were going to beat the Russians in the space race by cranking out
more scientists and engineers. Also, us kids also couldn't help
noticing that the parents were genuinely worried about Russia
attacking with missiles and bombers. So, any kid with even the
slightest technical ability was encouraged to go into some kind of
technical field. So, I got into ham radio.

Instead of buying a secondhand shortwave radio I bought a secondhand
2400 bps modem. Mom and Dad humored me but thought this whole "computers
talking to each other" thing was just a weird fad, like CB radio. Oh well...

You missed the earlier 110 and 300 baud modems with acoustic couplers.
Nothing worked as expected or consistently. Turn on some music in the
same room, and the error rate would climb.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=anderson+jacobson+acoustic+coupler&tbm=isch>
The nice part was that I could use it with a pay phone. Ah,
nostalgia.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 4/6/18 11:52 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=anderson+jacobson+acoustic+coupler&tbm=isch
The nice part was that I could use it with a pay phone. Ah,
nostalgia.

Heh, I still have one. Want it?


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On Fri, 6 Apr 2018 12:08:36 -0500, Fox's Mercantile <jdangus@att.net>
wrote:

On 4/6/18 11:52 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=anderson+jacobson+acoustic+coupler&tbm=isch
The nice part was that I could use it with a pay phone. Ah,
nostalgia.

Heh, I still have one. Want it?

Which one? The pay phone or the AJ acoustic coupler modem? I'll
assume the coupler.

Methinks I will need to regretfully decline your generous offer. I
spent my first half century collecting such things and am now spending
my next half century getting rid of the junk.

BTW, I previously had one of these:
<http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/networking/19/371/2023>
but gave it to a collector of telco gizmos about 10 years ago.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
On 4/6/18 1:22 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Which one? The pay phone or the AJ acoustic coupler modem? I'll
assume the coupler.

Well, I didn't really expect you to jump on it.

> Methinks I will need to regretfully decline your generous offer.

I understand, I'm working on "thinning the herd" here myself.



--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
On 04/06/2018 12:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 21:28:59 -0400, bitrex
bitrex@de.lete.earthlink.net> wrote:

I thought about getting a ham license at one point and even as a US
citizen it all just seemed like a huge hassle for not much reward. If
I'd been born in the 50s or 60s I probably would've gotten into it, but
I was born in the dying days of disco instead.

I was born in the late 40's and obtained a ham license when I was
about 13 years old. Sputnik had been launched about 3 years earlier
(1957) and the US went nuts.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sputnik+fever
We were going to beat the Russians in the space race by cranking out
more scientists and engineers. Also, us kids also couldn't help
noticing that the parents were genuinely worried about Russia
attacking with missiles and bombers. So, any kid with even the
slightest technical ability was encouraged to go into some kind of
technical field. So, I got into ham radio.

My junior high school was built around that time and had a small
planetarium, I guess they wanted to get the students of 50s and 60s
thinking about space?

Sadly by the time I was a student there in the early 1990s the
planetarium dome hadn't been used in years and the room converted into a
lecture hall for larger classes, the planetarium projector gizmo either
damaged and no spare parts/too expensive to fix, or just nobody still
there who recalled how to operate it.

A few years later the little dome was torn down and the wing renovated
into the school's computer lab.

Instead of buying a secondhand shortwave radio I bought a secondhand
2400 bps modem. Mom and Dad humored me but thought this whole "computers
talking to each other" thing was just a weird fad, like CB radio. Oh well...

You missed the earlier 110 and 300 baud modems with acoustic couplers.
Nothing worked as expected or consistently. Turn on some music in the
same room, and the error rate would climb.
https://www.google.com/search?q=anderson+jacobson+acoustic+coupler&tbm=isch
The nice part was that I could use it with a pay phone. Ah,
nostalgia.

The first PC we had in the house was a Leading Edge 386 16MHz probably
purchased around 1990, it came with 1 meg of RAM stock. A "budget" model
but still probably cost them fortune, we were never exactly wealthy
folks and a business-class 486 cost the better part of 10k then.

The secondhand modem I bought looked a lot like this:

<https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vePa6mXgL._SL1500_.jpg>

but I think it was a generic "Hayes Compatible" model not a name brand.

We got a lot of life out of more or less the same rig though; the 386
with an extra meg of RAM and 56k modem from 1996 sometime ran Windows
3.1 fine and served as the household "email server" until they sold the
home circa 2001
 
In article <acf85fb1-86c2-4217-b725-28ba24226c7e@googlegroups.com>,
<jurb6006@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't think of anyone's opinions and advice I respect more than yours, but...

"As I understand it, no business can get a ham license, because the use
of amateur radio for commercial purposes is forbidden. "

That makes sense. I have wondered about businesses owning vehicles, is
there a requirement there for at least one person to be in control and
put his name on the line, or can it be just in a company name. Same with
property. These are things I never found out because I never had any
reason to.

Depends on the type of business, I believe.

Corporations have standing to own property, as they are defined in law
as something on the order of "artifical persons". The business
can't hold a driver's license, though - the business itself can't
drive the car - the operator has to be a human who is individually
licensed. [And how this plays for "driverless cars" is complex,
varies from place to place, and is far from settled. :) ]

The same is true of some sorts of non-incorporated associations.

In the case of "limited liability partnerships" I don't know whether
such a partnership owns property or not.

In the case of a "DBA" (Doing Business As, a.k.a. a "fictitious
business"), no, I don't think so. The property is owned by the
individual or family or other group who is doing business under a
fictitious business name - the name is just a branding, to help deal
with the public.


"I haven't yet heard of a case in which the
"Sovereign citizen" arguments have actually won out in court."

That is not how it's done. Being sovereign has very little meaning, when
you make well into six figures, being a non-taxpayer does have meaning.
there is a specific process, and then you can't engage in certain
contracts with the government. In fact you can't even sign a W-4 so you
will forever be self employed or find an employer who will operate in a
way that facilitates your wishes in the matter. I have found employers
who simply pay cash so it is a moot point then anyway. No paper trail,
nothing happens.

Well, this all falls into the category of what I was referring to as
"flying under the radar."

Yes, if you can arrange to work on a cash-only basis for your whole
life, and never file anything, you may escape notice. If you _do_ get
noticed, one way or another, they can still come after you for failing
to pay taxes, though. (As I understand it, the IRS doesn't get you
for "failing to file" - they get you for "failing to pay" or "filing a
false statement").

I have to say I'm sceptical about the idea of somebody being able to
earn six figures and evade detection through some sort of very
complicated process.

In
act, you can't be audited if you don't file.

You can't be audited (i.e. your filing can't be checked for errors,
because you didn't file), but you still _can_ be charged with failing to
pay the taxes you were due to pay. Different issue.

When you sign your name at the
bottom it is not s receipt, it is a contract and an acknowledgement of
jurisdiction to a private corporation, the IRS. Though chartered by the
government they are incorporated just like General Motors, no better no
worse.

This same "I didn't agree to it, I'm not bound by it, hence you don't
have jurisdiction" argument is at the base of a whole lot of the
Sovereign Citizen claims... and it keeps getting shot down.

The other thing about tax court, you won't hear about the people who
beat them, they do not like to publicize it. That is the same with any
court, if you make them fear public scrutiny on anything it works in
your favor.

That same argument can be made about almost _any_ claim... "they cover
it up and hide their losses". Taken to extremes, it's at the core of
about every crank conspiracy theory floating around the Net (or
anywhere) these days... "Sure, there's nothing about this in the
mainstream press... it's being covered up... see how effective the
conspirators are!". Absence of evidence for the claim, is taken as
proof of the claim.

Let's put it this way, if you get caught selling weed (marked money and
all) and they find your (expensive I personally know...) grow room,
weapons and all kind of shit, what do you expect ? Well with a lawyer he
lost, but operating pro se he won the appeal. But that should have
happened the first time because unbeknownst to most people, if you win
the appeal you are still convicted.

Cite, please?

There are bunch of different meanings to "win an appeal". The appeal
court may overturn the conviction entirely and dismiss the case, in
which case the conviction "never happened". The appeal court may rule
that the conviction was made in error, and remand the case back to the
lower court to correct the error (in which case the case must be
re-tried, or dismissed by the prosecution). The appeal court may rule
that the _sentence_ was in error, and either adjust the sentence
itself or remand the case back to the trial court for adjustment - in
which case the conviction remains.

In some cases, judges go so far as to overturn a conviction with a
"declaration of factual innocence", which is not just a "We don't
think he was proven guilty" but "we are declaring that he was _not_
guilty." This tends to occur in cases where there was a serious
miscarriage of justice in the prosecution of the original case.

Actually the same is true of a
presidential pardon.

In that you're quite correct... there's good legal precedent that
accepting a presidental (or governer's) pardon, consistitutes an
admission of guilt on your part.

A person who has been convicted is _not_ obligated to accept a
pardon. He/she can decline the pardon, and continue to pursue an
appeal to overturn the conviction or gain a new trial... and if he/she
has the conviction reversed on appeal, and isn't re-convicted in a
second trial, then the "innocent until proven guilty" rule applies.
 
>"Corporations have standing to own property, as they are defined in law as something on the order of "artifical persons". The business
can't hold a driver's license, though - the business itself can't
drive the car - the operator has to be a human who is individually
licensed."

I was thinking of something like that to avoid that "routine stop" bullshit which is a moneymaker for many small towns. In Ohio you can fight them because we have a law against using traffic laws for revenue. Typical residential is 35 MPH, if there are more than a certain number of businesses in a certain length of road then it is a 25 MPH. Densely populated areas of residential can be made 25 MPH locally. However they must be able to provide good reason. One of the things you do is to ask for the data from a traffic survey, that is one of the few forms of evidence the state will accept from a city that a lower speed limit is justified. Most of the time they just throw it out.

Source : A licensed lawyer in Ohio.

"Sure, there's nothing about this in the
mainstream press... it's being covered up"

All kinds of things are omitted by the media. One example is when Obama didn't act against Assad for using the gas. Well he didn't use the gas, at least that time. It was reported but not in many countries. So he was not being a wimp, he knew that his political enemies would disclose that Assad had not used the gas and use it against him. He did not reveal these facts for whatever reasin, probably political expediency.

Source ; Porton Down of Britain, Seymour Hersch.

"Well with a lawyer he
lost, but operating pro se he won the appeal. But that should have
happened the first time because unbeknownst to most people, if you win
the appeal you are still convicted.

Cite, please? "

Source : Public records. Seek and ye shall find.

>"There are bunch of different meanings to "win an appeal". "

True, I believe that when a conviction is ruled to be as if it never happened it is called "vacated". That is very rare.

Source : People who win their appeal yet are put on parole when released, that is in public records somewhere, shall I find it ?

The non-taxpayer issue was proven to me personally by examining the paperwork exchanged between a personal friend of mine and the IRS. He made about $ 300,000 a year as a construction contractor, brick and cement work. The IRS always knew right where he wss and never did a thing. He never saw the inside of a tax court.

He had to turn down jobs in certain cities because to get a contractor's permit he would have to sign that he would withhold city taxes and remit them, as well as supply the information on his employees. See, in this county they made a bog mess out of it, you must pay city taxes where you live AND work, AND if you work in several different cities like a contractor does, you must apportion the city taxes to each city in which any of your work was done and which employees worked on each particular job. So ion that case the source is me and unless you want to blatantly call me a liar I suggest you find a motive for it because I am not selling the plan or whatever. I don't WANT other people to know how to do it because it might just make them adapt and make it impossible. Note that non-taxpayer status can only apply to individuals. If you do business as a sole proprietor that works, but you can't incorporate. That means your personal property is on the line should something happen and you get sued. If you are bold and careful, do things right and don't get into a situation to get sued, think of making that $ 300,000 per year and not having to give away a third of it. Still, it is not for everyone. The guy has balls as big as churchbells.

So it is not a matter of operating under the RADAR, he had to take checks and deal with insurance companies all the time. Personally, I went under the RADAR a few times. Not that i have never paid taxes, I have paid quite a bit, but I got to the poit where I could tell an emploiyer "If uyou want taxes paid them you pay them". and indeed they did because what I made showed up in some form of income somewhere, so technically they got their money. Just not from me personally. But that is a completely different issue.

Actually between all the costs of hiring someone legit and not the ACA as well, you are going to see more and more people hired under the table. I believe there are already more than meet the eye. I know/have known people who do contracting work for cash only or personal checks, who never marry their olady and let her get welfare and free medical for the kids and bring their money home tax free, making for a much better life for their families than if they did it according to Hoyle so to speak. Imagine the kids, going to private school yet have free medical and poverty status. I could have collected while I was under the table but I didn't. I probably should've, why should I be more moral than the government ? They are about the fourth worst government in the world. Second among the ones considered civilized. Fukum. But I guess it was pride that prevented me from collecting. I could have had a free phone and free food at the very least and just about no chance of ever getting caught. But I didn't opt to do it.

SO I don't take these things likely and I certainly do not recommend them. There is risk and post people can't handle it. the people who beat the government spent years, literally, studying the law. I may have mentioned they hired an ex-law professor from Harvard. That was not cheap. They made tapes of his private lectures and I was tasked with re-equalizing them for better intelligibility, so I heard some of all this. I found it very interesting but some parts boring, but that is how it goes.
 
On 4/6/18 5:52 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

[ snip ]

You're doing it again.
Amateur radio licensing has NOTHING to do with you opinions
on tax law.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
"Amateur radio licensing has NOTHING to do with you opinions
on tax law. "

And your acoustically coupled MODEM is ?

Just what have YOU contributed that is on topic ?

That is even less relevant, at least I can say that if the OP is concerned with privacy against an ever invasive government it is at least related.

Your sole on topic post was "Just do it and get over yourself". That is constructive ? That is useful ?

Tell you what, YOU get over YOURSELF Snit.

There are those who better pray that I never catch cancer and am going to die soon because I might just decide to do the world a few favors.
 
On 4/7/18 11:32 AM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
> Tell you what, YOU get over YOURSELF Snit.

Bwahahaha, Et tu Brutus?

Careful there son, or people are going to think you're that
asshole troll.

There are those who better pray that I never catch cancer
and am going to die soon because I might just decide to do
the world a few favors.

Oooh, vague death threats.


--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's s time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

Rest assured. The "Man" knows about you, what you eat, your browsing habits, pretty much everything there is to know about your sex life and much more..

The single question you must ask is how much you will let that affect your life as it *WILL NOT CHANGE*. Frankly, I don't give a damn as I don't have one single thing going on in my life such that the "Man" knowing would make one scintilla of a difference.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
 
>"Frankly, I don't give a damn as I don't have one single thing going on in my life such that the "Man" knowing would make one scintilla of a difference. "

Not enough people would do it but I have a plan. Want privacy ? Ironic as it may sound, as a friend of a friend said when he was selling a car : "Motherfucker be lookin' for thaings motherfucker be findin' thaings". I shit you not.

So they want to snoop ? Let them, you know what a sigline is right ? Just set up a macro like that with words similar to :

"bomb, pentagon, drudge, Alex Jones, Randy Weaver, 911, anthrax, dirty bomb, suitcase, Constitution, freedom, original 13th amendment, bankers, admiralty jurisdiction, 50 round magazine, full auto, grenade, real anarchists cookbook, acid, pizza, lolita, virgins, kibbutz, mosque basement, OKC, Waco, 50 caliber, plastique, detonator, speed sensor, car bomb, ebola, militia, unorganized, amendment, jurisdiction, tyrant black robe, meek as sheep, writ, commerce, lien, common law, government default, start freedom project, bannister wrong, Porton Down, brotherhood, Arayan, the joint, on the slide, NATO round..." and so forth. Mixem up. Everybody do it.

If you're White throw in Farakkan, Islam and a few others. If you're Black throw in Pierce, Strom, Zimmerman and a few others.

And you need combinations of keywords to raise the red flag, not just one word. You have to put them together. And of course edit it every once in a while. One of two things happens, they act or not, if not they are likely to know what you're doing with that but can't do a damn thing about it. Through signature lines use what appear to be code words, just use them in similar context more than once. Spin a nice yarn about a plot to blow up something.

If you succeed they will contact you and try to goad you into doing something they think you would be willing to do. That is when you turn the tables on them. Have a recorder at all times. Evne tap your own cellphone. Assemble a ton of evidence and then takeit to the media.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !

Takes balls, but if you want to get anywhere...
 
On 4/7/18 6:25 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
> Not enough people would do it but I have a plan.

And this has even LESS to with Amateur radio than the
other rambling shit you've posted.

--
"I am a river to my people."
Jeff-1.0
WA6FWi
http:foxsmercantile.com
 
"And this has even LESS to with Amateur radio than the
other rambling shit you've posted. "

Nope, privacy issue.

About that acoustically coupled MODEM again ? How about the model and specs. Do you have a schematic ?
 

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