Hacking a Denon RCD M35DAB, CD of 2006, so far so good

Same 2V polarity on lines 1 and 4 of the ribbon send the focus the same
way and same for lines 2 and 3 for the track throw for both optical
blocks, so nowhere left to go
 
The SM (listed RCD M33DAB) has the test mode details. May as well try it
as does not seem to require a test CD. although at no stage has it
registered one of the 20 listed error codes
 
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 30/08/2013 01:28, Mark Zacharias wrote:
the usual extras about 90 pounds. Much more interesting playing
around/hacking. No guarantee that there is not some sort of random ps or
other surge that knocked out the original laser and co

The number on the Denon Sanyo one is SF-P101N but as that is on the
plastic of the body rather than a label, there may be a lot of flavours.
The optical unit just carries the laser , the receive photodiode matrix ,
and the focus+track coils. Could the track coil polarity be wrong?

No

2 minutes in could be where the sledge has to definitely have moved as
come to the limit of the coil shift ambit, worth a try . Now what
differentiates the orthogonal coils? A small voltage in each to see if the
lens moves vertically or radially I suppose. Nothing like heuristics, its
not as though the owner is paying for my farting about.

Errr, I'm not getting this. The SF-P101N is a well-known Sanyo laser, and
available - even as a complete sub-deck - for just a few quid - literally
....

You are slightly correct in there being more than one flavour. There are in
fact two. One has a 15 pin connector, and the other, a 16 pin. This is
always detailed where they are offered for sale, so there should be no issue
getting the right one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Optical-Laser-Lens-SF-P101N-SF-P101N-for-Sanyo-CD-Player-16-Pin-/221253410384?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3383bb1e50

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SANYO-CD-VCD-OPTICAL-LASER-LENS-SF-P101N-15-PIN-/250692410725?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a5e6e9d65

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Player-Complete-Mechanism-16-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/281032434718?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item416ed6a41e

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Mechanism-SFP101N-15-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/350714931651?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item51a83d29c3

Arfa
 
On 31/08/2013 02:00, Arfa Daily wrote:
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kvpkb5$3o7$1@dont-email.me...
On 30/08/2013 01:28, Mark Zacharias wrote:
the usual extras about 90 pounds. Much more interesting playing
around/hacking. No guarantee that there is not some sort of random ps or
other surge that knocked out the original laser and co

The number on the Denon Sanyo one is SF-P101N but as that is on the
plastic of the body rather than a label, there may be a lot of flavours.
The optical unit just carries the laser , the receive photodiode
matrix , and the focus+track coils. Could the track coil polarity be
wrong?

No

2 minutes in could be where the sledge has to definitely have moved as
come to the limit of the coil shift ambit, worth a try . Now what
differentiates the orthogonal coils? A small voltage in each to see if
the lens moves vertically or radially I suppose. Nothing like
heuristics, its not as though the owner is paying for my farting about.


Errr, I'm not getting this. The SF-P101N is a well-known Sanyo laser,
and available - even as a complete sub-deck - for just a few quid -
literally ...

You are slightly correct in there being more than one flavour. There are
in fact two. One has a 15 pin connector, and the other, a 16 pin. This
is always detailed where they are offered for sale, so there should be
no issue getting the right one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Optical-Laser-Lens-SF-P101N-SF-P101N-for-Sanyo-CD-Player-16-Pin-/221253410384?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3383bb1e50


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SANYO-CD-VCD-OPTICAL-LASER-LENS-SF-P101N-15-PIN-/250692410725?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a5e6e9d65


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Player-Complete-Mechanism-16-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/281032434718?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item416ed6a41e


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Mechanism-SFP101N-15-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/350714931651?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item51a83d29c3


Arfa

In the meantime
It all seems mighty weird that you can progress flawlessly through the
test routines along with never any error statements but the unit does
not work.
Test routines pass byte info out on focus balance, focus gain,track
balance , track gain , focus offset , track offset,RFRP and a routine
that sums errors in a 2 second sample. Go into the auto adjust routine
after adjusting the power pot and the values change. I don't know what
100% error figures for 2 seconds would be ,but readings about 023,000
one time then adjust pot and then average about 035,000. So if 6 digits
is 100% then about 2 to 4 percent. What would a representative figure be
for dust,microscratches,scatter etc ?
 
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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On 31/08/2013 02:00, Arfa Daily wrote:


"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:kvpkb5$3o7$1@dont-email.me...
On 30/08/2013 01:28, Mark Zacharias wrote:
the usual extras about 90 pounds. Much more interesting playing
around/hacking. No guarantee that there is not some sort of random ps
or
other surge that knocked out the original laser and co

The number on the Denon Sanyo one is SF-P101N but as that is on the
plastic of the body rather than a label, there may be a lot of flavours.
The optical unit just carries the laser , the receive photodiode
matrix , and the focus+track coils. Could the track coil polarity be
wrong?

No

2 minutes in could be where the sledge has to definitely have moved as
come to the limit of the coil shift ambit, worth a try . Now what
differentiates the orthogonal coils? A small voltage in each to see if
the lens moves vertically or radially I suppose. Nothing like
heuristics, its not as though the owner is paying for my farting about.


Errr, I'm not getting this. The SF-P101N is a well-known Sanyo laser,
and available - even as a complete sub-deck - for just a few quid -
literally ...

You are slightly correct in there being more than one flavour. There are
in fact two. One has a 15 pin connector, and the other, a 16 pin. This
is always detailed where they are offered for sale, so there should be
no issue getting the right one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Optical-Laser-Lens-SF-P101N-SF-P101N-for-Sanyo-CD-Player-16-Pin-/221253410384?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3383bb1e50


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SANYO-CD-VCD-OPTICAL-LASER-LENS-SF-P101N-15-PIN-/250692410725?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3a5e6e9d65


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Player-Complete-Mechanism-16-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/281032434718?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item416ed6a41e


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SF-P101N-CD-Mechanism-SFP101N-15-Pin-Sanyo-Version-For-CD-Player-Repairs-/350714931651?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item51a83d29c3


Arfa

In the meantime
It all seems mighty weird that you can progress flawlessly through the
test routines along with never any error statements but the unit does not
work.
Test routines pass byte info out on focus balance, focus gain,track
balance , track gain , focus offset , track offset,RFRP and a routine that
sums errors in a 2 second sample. Go into the auto adjust routine after
adjusting the power pot and the values change. I don't know what 100%
error figures for 2 seconds would be ,but readings about 023,000 one time
then adjust pot and then average about 035,000. So if 6 digits is 100%
then about 2 to 4 percent. What would a representative figure be for
dust,microscratches,scatter etc ?

You continue to burn large quantities of time on this one. I'd be out of
business in a month if I made a practice of this sort of thing.

My view: Fix the damn thing and get on to the next piece of crap...

Mark Z.
 
Sanyo one in there and working all functions. So bulk standard cheapo
with no added Denon flavour it would seem.
BER error now about 100
 
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
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Sanyo one in there and working all functions. So bulk standard cheapo with
no added Denon flavour it would seem.
BER error now about 100

Yep. I've replaced quite a few, and never found them to be anything other
than 'standard'. Did you get a whole sub-deck in the end, or just a laser ?

Arfa
 
On 06/09/2013 01:35, Arfa Daily wrote:
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l09vsd$4ds$1@dont-email.me...
Sanyo one in there and working all functions. So bulk standard cheapo
with no added Denon flavour it would seem.
BER error now about 100


Yep. I've replaced quite a few, and never found them to be anything
other than 'standard'. Did you get a whole sub-deck in the end, or just
a laser ?

Arfa

whole deck.
Quite happy with BER of <>100 but I assume this error reading would be a
good monitor , not immediate though, for adjusting the power pot for
optimal.
 
"N_Cook" <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:l09vsd$4ds$1@dont-email.me...
Sanyo one in there and working all functions. So bulk standard cheapo with
no added Denon flavour it would seem.
BER error now about 100

Finally!

Mark Z.
 

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