Guitar MIDI controller/converter - bitrex?...

John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote in
news:81d213ab-6625-4b63-9e17-f18eaa73026fn@googlegroups.com:

snip

How about a pneumatically controlled pipe organ in a large church
where the latency could be around 200ms?

John
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Not always in a church...

<https://friendsofmusichall.org/cincinnati-music-hall-history/music-
halls-organs/the-albee-mighty-wurlitzer-organ-in-music-hall/>

<https://organstoppizza.com/the-pipe-organ/history>
 
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:ss7adv$uf$1@dont-email.me:

On 1/18/2022 1:49 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote:




\"Rich S\" wrote in message
news:fa1c2bfe-a14c-419e-8b0e-d2a9e0d4c74an@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 10:13:46 PM UTC, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2022 12:57 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 00:15:40 UTC, Don Y wrote:
On 1/6/2022 12:50 PM, bitrex wrote:
I\'ve also seen a product or two that look at the *audio*
and try to
reconstruct
the fingering from that. Theoretically possible but a fair
bit of
work to
accomplish in real-time. Not sure how that latency stacks
up with the rest of the processing chain...

I haven\'t tried one of those in some time but the last I did
I wasn\'t impressed. The G50 is reported to have an average
latency of about 10
ms on the
low strings and feels pretty acceptable to me (haven\'t
measured it
myself) for
guitar playing that\'s not speed metal riffs at least.

For playing USB keyboards though, like with virtual
instruments, it
has to be
lower than that, I find around 2ms is about what I can
tolerate, I can tell the
difference between a 2ms response and a 5 ms, and 10 ms
starts to feel like an
eternity.
Well, at least there is an explicit (industry-wide)
acknowledgement
that there
is a significant issue, there. And, attempts to put a number
on it. Too
many
other interfaces just leave that unspoken -- /caveat emptor/.

I question whether the physical-virtual instruments (\"funky
UI\'s that
try to
LOOSELY resemble a real instrument\") end up altering *how*
you play. >> The \"physical presence\" of an instrument seems
to be a part of the >> performance experience; would a
\"sousaphone emulator\" (that you can hold in one >> hand)
*play* like a real sousaphone? Even if the emulator was a
100% faithful reproduction...

How about a pneumatically controlled pipe organ in a large
church where the latency could be around 200ms?
Most wind instruments have high latency -- esp if excited by
human breath.

My above comment was wrt the *feel* of the instrument-wannabe
vs. the real instrument. What\'s it like to play a \"little box
with a mouthpiece\" that emulates a tuba vs. having to carry the
tuba on your shoulders while trying to summon up enough air to
excite it? Does the little box represent the same \"impedance\" to
your windpipe as the genuine article? Do you have to move the
same amount of air to produce a particular sound?

[I.e., playing trills on a trumpet is a piece of cake compared
to a trombone, baritone horn, etc. Does a trombone-emulator
present the same PHYSICAL playing challenges as a real
trombone?]

Latency is hard to avoid unless youre putting a pressure sensor
right at the stimulus point. For a guitar, that would be under
each fret position, for each string. i.e. ~15 x 6 = 90 sensors.

Oh dear....er.... that will be 24 x 6 mate..... :)

Actually, \"depends on the guitar\"...
Click to expand...

Don\'t you fret none... Frets! We don\' need no stinkin\' frets!

3 x what!???

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g>
 
Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in news:ss7adv$uf$1@dont-
email.me:

Actually, \"depends on the guitar\"...
Click to expand...

As I sat and read through all of these comments I listened to
Justin Wilson in the background...

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g>
 
onsdag den 19. januar 2022 kl. 02.31.22 UTC+1 skrev DecadentLinux...@decadence.org:
Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:ss7adv$uf$1...@dont-email.me:
On 1/18/2022 1:49 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote:




\"Rich S\" wrote in message
news:fa1c2bfe-a14c-419e...@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, January 8, 2022 at 10:13:46 PM UTC, Don Y wrote:
On 1/8/2022 12:57 PM, John Walliker wrote:
On Friday, 7 January 2022 at 00:15:40 UTC, Don Y wrote:
On 1/6/2022 12:50 PM, bitrex wrote:
I\'ve also seen a product or two that look at the *audio*
and try to
reconstruct
the fingering from that. Theoretically possible but a fair
bit of
work to
accomplish in real-time. Not sure how that latency stacks
up with the rest of the processing chain...

I haven\'t tried one of those in some time but the last I did
I wasn\'t impressed. The G50 is reported to have an average
latency of about 10
ms on the
low strings and feels pretty acceptable to me (haven\'t
measured it
myself) for
guitar playing that\'s not speed metal riffs at least.

For playing USB keyboards though, like with virtual
instruments, it
has to be
lower than that, I find around 2ms is about what I can
tolerate, I can tell the
difference between a 2ms response and a 5 ms, and 10 ms
starts to feel like an
eternity.
Well, at least there is an explicit (industry-wide)
acknowledgement
that there
is a significant issue, there. And, attempts to put a number
on it. Too
many
other interfaces just leave that unspoken -- /caveat emptor/.

I question whether the physical-virtual instruments (\"funky
UI\'s that
try to
LOOSELY resemble a real instrument\") end up altering *how*
you play. >> The \"physical presence\" of an instrument seems
to be a part of the >> performance experience; would a
\"sousaphone emulator\" (that you can hold in one >> hand)
*play* like a real sousaphone? Even if the emulator was a
100% faithful reproduction...

How about a pneumatically controlled pipe organ in a large
church where the latency could be around 200ms?
Most wind instruments have high latency -- esp if excited by
human breath.

My above comment was wrt the *feel* of the instrument-wannabe
vs. the real instrument. What\'s it like to play a \"little box
with a mouthpiece\" that emulates a tuba vs. having to carry the
tuba on your shoulders while trying to summon up enough air to
excite it? Does the little box represent the same \"impedance\" to
your windpipe as the genuine article? Do you have to move the
same amount of air to produce a particular sound?

[I.e., playing trills on a trumpet is a piece of cake compared
to a trombone, baritone horn, etc. Does a trombone-emulator
present the same PHYSICAL playing challenges as a real
trombone?]

Latency is hard to avoid unless youre putting a pressure sensor
right at the stimulus point. For a guitar, that would be under
each fret position, for each string. i.e. ~15 x 6 = 90 sensors.

Oh dear....er.... that will be 24 x 6 mate..... :)

Actually, \"depends on the guitar\"...

Don\'t you fret none... Frets! We don\' need no stinkin\' frets!

3 x what!???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9-ltPsbw9g
Click to expand...

https://youtu.be/50-8PGMPYrA
 
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
news:ss7p1r$fec$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:sr76lj$6qo$1@dont- email.me:
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snip

Do not know what you want but I have found the best tuner app
there is.
It has voice analysis too, and we\'re talking down to fine grain
tonal resolution.

It is called: TE Tuner
It has a metronome, it has different instrument envelopes. I set
it to sawtooth and get FOOL spectrum. ;-) Actually that widens
it out past all the instruments it has in it. Very exacting,
useful item.

I also have the Moog apps. WOW. A full bore synth right in my
hands!
So many sounds in it that one recognizes from movies and music of
the past.

I also paid the $25 whatever for \"Garage Band\" which is also
awesome.

The Moog and the iPad app Garage Band have midi stuff in them.
I
am sure the Moog will let you feed in your stuff, modify it and
feed it back out.

Anyway. I just wanted to mention the tuner. That is an
excellent
application for apple hardware. I do not know if it is on other
platforms.
Click to expand...

Has anyone checked this out? It really is one of the best tuner
apps out there. <https://www.tonalenergy.com/>
 
在 2022年1月28日星期五 UTC+8 00:43:57，<DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> 写道：
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote in
news:ss7p1r$fec$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
Don Y <blocked...@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:sr76lj$6qo$1@dont- email.me:
snip
Do not know what you want but I have found the best tuner app
there is.
It has voice analysis too, and we\'re talking down to fine grain
tonal resolution.

It is called: TE Tuner
It has a metronome, it has different instrument envelopes. I set
it to sawtooth and get FOOL spectrum. ;-) Actually that widens
it out past all the instruments it has in it. Very exacting,
useful item.

I also have the Moog apps. WOW. A full bore synth right in my
hands!
So many sounds in it that one recognizes from movies and music of
the past.

I also paid the $25 whatever for \"Garage Band\" which is also
awesome.

The Moog and the iPad app Garage Band have midi stuff in them.
I
am sure the Moog will let you feed in your stuff, modify it and
feed it back out.

Anyway. I just wanted to mention the tuner. That is an
excellent
application for apple hardware. I do not know if it is on other
platforms.

Has anyone checked this out? It really is one of the best tuner
apps out there. <https://www.tonalenergy.com/
Click to expand...
I have dozens of brand new Ipads in LA and I want to sell them wholesale, great deals, please write me back if you can work with me
 
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