ground wire

[M Philbrook]

In article <cPGdnXn1u92Z5tDEnZ2dnUU7-QHNnZ2d@giganews.com>, 121969
@Electronics-Related says...

may be the high idle is caused because the wire is not connected to any
thing

http://tomco-inc.com/Tech_Tips/ttt11.pdf

thank you for all answers

Kurt Stocklmeir
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high ideal is caused by two factors.

1. The carb is being opened by its driven arm mechanically.

2. You have a vacuum leak somewhere in the intake manifold and it is
drawing in air, A lot of air!

I don't know what your carb is but I can only assume it could be at best
a throttle body fuel injected.

Some carbs have a ideal salenoid that will force the venturi shutter at
the base of the car to close tighter, this helps to prevent cars to keep
running due to low octain fuel when turned off.

In many cases, the molded ajoining plug that comes out in one wire may
have a jack hole to accept a single wire plug.

Also, look on the pluig for a mounting screw hole that could have a
conductive surface on one side, if so that plug needs to bolt onto a
ground locally.. the car should have ground wires already attached to
the carb, you need to make sure of that because the gasket between the
carb and manifold will not allow ground.

So if you do have a ideal solenaoid, look there to see if there is an a
spade waiting for a connection..
etc

Get an electrical manual for the car.



also

 

[kurtstocklmeir]

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seein
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the firs
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the ca
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. I
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine i
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of yo
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my part
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor an
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor i
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carbureto
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy t
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I nee
help.

Kurt Stocklmei
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[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0500, "kurtstocklmeir"
<121969@Electronics-Related> wrote:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Kurt Stocklmeir
---------------------------------------
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Have you tried paying a mechanic who knows what he is doing ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson
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"It is important to foster individuality, for only the individual
can produce the new ideas."

"A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."

-Albert Einstein

 

[rickman]

kurtstocklmeir wrote on 6/24/2017 4:42 PM:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

You are misinterpreting what you are reading. "The most common idle
solenoid symptom is an engine that won't idle but will run above idle."
This does not mean it is going to race at idle. It means it will run when
you step on the gas, but *NOT* when idling.

Is your engine *really* racing at 6000 RPM at idle? If so, you have an
entirely different problem like the throttle stuck open. You need to figure
that out before you do anything else. Something is opening the throttle
allowing the engine to race.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

I am not interested in seeing stuff that might look like what you have. I
want to see your connector to see if a wire is broken off or cut off even.
I want to see your solenoid to see if it might get contact through its case.
Any cell phone should have a camera built in these days, even the dumb
phones like mine. I can take pictures and message them to my computer or
use a USB or Bluetooth connection and transfer the photos to my PC.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I don't know what any of that means. Electric currents don't "fly around"
an engine. The engine is grounded. I would be highly surprised if your
carb doesn't have a gasket between it and the block. But it can still be
grounded by the bolts. The question is does the solenoid have any sort of
electrical contact with the carb that passes current? An ohm meter will
tell you that, you can get one for $6.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Yes, you do. You need the sort of help that praying won't provide.

--

Rick C

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:53:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0500, "kurtstocklmeir"
121969@Electronics-Related> wrote:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Kurt Stocklmeir
---------------------------------------
Posted through http://www.Electronics-Related.com

Have you tried paying a mechanic who knows what he is doing ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson

LOL, Hey I had a 87 honda 1200cvcc. 12" rims, I could change those
things in the back yard. Another thing I found out is if you turn off
the ignition doing 55 for a few seconds, then turn it on, the fuel
vaporized in the cat, then gathered in the muffler and ignited.
Pretty impressive bang.
You could push start the thing, it got 40mpg, and hydroplained @ 35mph
in heavy rain.

Cheers

 

[rickman]

Martin Riddle wrote on 6/25/2017 12:25 AM:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:53:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0500, "kurtstocklmeir"
121969@Electronics-Related> wrote:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Kurt Stocklmeir
---------------------------------------
Posted through http://www.Electronics-Related.com

Have you tried paying a mechanic who knows what he is doing ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson

LOL, Hey I had a 87 honda 1200cvcc. 12" rims, I could change those
things in the back yard. Another thing I found out is if you turn off
the ignition doing 55 for a few seconds, then turn it on, the fuel
vaporized in the cat, then gathered in the muffler and ignited.
Pretty impressive bang.
You could push start the thing, it got 40mpg, and hydroplained @ 35mph
in heavy rain.

Who needs hybrids?

--

Rick C

 

[kurtstocklmeir]

Thank you for all answers.

When the guy took off my carburetor I did not see any seal. I could b
wrong about the seal. The guy who put on my carburetor said some cars d
not use seals for carburetors. The guy at the store who gave me m
carburetor agreed with the guy who connected my carburetor to my car
some carburetors do not use seals. The guy who connected my carburetor t
my car said that he thought my car does not use a seal. I plan to chec
this with a lot of stores that sell parts - I called 1 store - they sai
there is not any seal for my car in their computer. I checked stores o
the internet for a seal - I do not see any seal for my car in thei
computer. If my car needs a seal this could make my car have a 600
idle.

My idle is about 6000. I will not let the car run at that idle - I wil
turn off the car.

I looked at the fuel cut off solenoid before it was put on my carburetor.
I have 2 of them - the old 1 and a new 1 from the factory. They are th
same. I checked the springs of both of them - the springs work. I looke
at the plastic connections of the wires from the fuel cut off solenoids
they are the same. There is not any wire on the plastic connections tha
connects to a ground - there is not any thing that can go to a ground
this is true for both of them. The people who made Hondas were good a
what they did - I do not know what they did to make a ground for the fue
cut off solenoid. 2 wires are connected to the fuel cut off solenoid
only 1 wire can be connected to the car. I think all of you are right
the wire goes to the computer. I plan to look many times at the plasti
connections. Because of what all of you said - I looked about 20 times a
the plastic connection of my fuel cut off solenoid that I am not using -
do not see any thing that can be used for a ground.

It could be true the factory made a mistake and that is causing a hig
idle.

Kurt Stocklmeir.

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[kurtstocklmeir]

I will try to check the throttle.
Kur
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[rickman]

kurtstocklmeir wrote on 6/26/2017 4:23 PM:

Thank you for all answers.

When the guy took off my carburetor I did not see any seal. I could be
wrong about the seal. The guy who put on my carburetor said some cars do
not use seals for carburetors. The guy at the store who gave me my
carburetor agreed with the guy who connected my carburetor to my car -
some carburetors do not use seals. The guy who connected my carburetor to
my car said that he thought my car does not use a seal. I plan to check
this with a lot of stores that sell parts - I called 1 store - they said
there is not any seal for my car in their computer. I checked stores on
the internet for a seal - I do not see any seal for my car in their
computer. If my car needs a seal this could make my car have a 6000
idle.

My idle is about 6000. I will not let the car run at that idle - I will
turn off the car.

I looked at the fuel cut off solenoid before it was put on my carburetor.
I have 2 of them - the old 1 and a new 1 from the factory. They are the
same. I checked the springs of both of them - the springs work. I looked
at the plastic connections of the wires from the fuel cut off solenoids -
they are the same. There is not any wire on the plastic connections that
connects to a ground - there is not any thing that can go to a ground -
this is true for both of them. The people who made Hondas were good at
what they did - I do not know what they did to make a ground for the fuel
cut off solenoid. 2 wires are connected to the fuel cut off solenoid -
only 1 wire can be connected to the car. I think all of you are right -
the wire goes to the computer. I plan to look many times at the plastic
connections. Because of what all of you said - I looked about 20 times at
the plastic connection of my fuel cut off solenoid that I am not using - I
do not see any thing that can be used for a ground.

It could be true the factory made a mistake and that is causing a high
idle.

I think you are doing a pretty good job for someone who knows little about
cars. I want to make one point though in case it is not clear. No one
would say you have a high idle. A high idle might be 1200 RPM or possibly
even 1500 RPM, but 6000 RPM is a throttle stuck open.

When you look down the throat of the carb you will see a flat plate of metal
in the shape of a disk mounted to a rod that allows the plate to rotate in
the round opening of the carb. At idle this plate will be in a position
that nearly the entire throttle opening will be blocked and only a very
small amount of air will squeeze around it. If this is truly a carb and not
fuel injection (or maybe this will be true for fuel injection as well), the
idle is adjusted by a small screw that controls how much the throttle plate
closes off the throttle opening. The screw can only change the opening a
very small amount. When you step on the gas pedal the throttle opens much
more allowing a lot more air to reach the engine.

There is no way the engine will run at 6000 RPM unless the throttle is being
held open by something other than the idle adjustment or anything wrong with
the idle circuit. Look for the throttle being held open. I think you get
this now, but I just wanted to help make it clear. I can't think of
anything the factory could do wrong with the carburetor that would allow the
engine to idle at 6000 RPM. Unless the throttle is stuck open there would
not be enough air flow to allow the engine to run that fast.

--

Rick C

 

[kurtstocklmeir]

Thank you Rick. You are right about a lot of things.

Both guys who have helped me are good at what they do. 1 guy has been
car mechanic for about 50 years. This is a mess that most mechanics ca
not fix.
A long time ago I called places that sell Hondas - I asked them thing
like can I buy a new carburetor and can they rebuild my carburetor. The
do not sell carburetors, they do not have parts to rebuild carburetors an
they do not have any people who work for them that know how to rebuil
carburetors. I ran around for about 1 year trying to find people aroun
Norfolk Va. to fix my carburetor. I live in Norfolk Va. It is not
small place. I could not find any people. I sent the carburetor t
national carburetor in Florida. I can not even find a person who know
how to adjust a throttle on my carburetor. These carburetors are th
worst carburetors. This is a carburetor but part of it is fuel injection
It is a carburetor and fuel injection at the same time. I do not wan
any person who does not know what they are doing to change any thing o
the carburetor. The carburetor will not work if any little thing change
on it. The guy who put my carburetor on my car is a mechanic but he doe
not know how to tune it. I can not find any person around where I liv
who knows how to tune it.
I guess when air gets into the car the idle can increase a little. Yo
are right - it would be extreme hard to get a 6000 idle because air i
getting into the car. A lot of new hoses were put on my car when th
carburetor was put on my car. I do not think air is getting in my car.
I guess if the wire of the fuel cut off solenoid is connected to my ca
and the car has a bad idle I will try to send the carburetor back to th
factory. I am suppose to have a warranty for it. It could be true th
factory made a mistake tuning it.
Kurt Stocklmei
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[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:25:23 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:53:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0500, "kurtstocklmeir"
121969@Electronics-Related> wrote:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Kurt Stocklmeir
---------------------------------------
Posted through http://www.Electronics-Related.com

Have you tried paying a mechanic who knows what he is doing ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson

LOL, Hey I had a 87 honda 1200cvcc. 12" rims, I could change those
things in the back yard. Another thing I found out is if you turn off
the ignition doing 55 for a few seconds, then turn it on, the fuel
vaporized in the cat, then gathered in the muffler and ignited.
Pretty impressive bang.
You could push start the thing, it got 40mpg, and hydroplained @ 35mph
in heavy rain.

Cheers

I can't understand why the OP can't buy a shop manual. Having owned
many old cars in my youth, shop manuals were easy to come by, though
often a wee-bit expensive... the shop manual for my '61 Renault
Dauphine cost me $20 (in 1963 dollars!) and I had to get it from a
book-seller in London.

And I certainly don't buy the "no gasket needed" comment... that
probably accounts fro his extreme 'idle' speed.

...Jim Thompson
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| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
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I'm looking for work... see my website.

Thinking outside the box... producing elegant solutions.

 

[rickman]

Jim Thompson wrote on 6/27/2017 4:50 PM:

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:25:23 -0400, Martin Riddle
martin_ridd@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:53:25 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0500, "kurtstocklmeir"
121969@Electronics-Related> wrote:

I am probably wrong about the article of Tomco. I guess what I am seeing
in the article of Tomco is different from what all of you are seeing.

I see - the article says some thing like - the most common trouble is -
the engine will not idle but it will run over idle. This is on the first
page. I thought that means - the car will not have normal idle - the car
will have high idle - the car will run more high than normal idle. It
says the engine will run over idle. I was thinking if the engine is
running over idle the engine is on and the car is on. I guess all of you
think - the car does not turn on.

I do not have a camera - I can not put any of my pictures on the internet.
I will try to find pictures on the internet that look a lot like my parts
- I will use links for all of you to see them.

My carburetor does not have a seal between the bottom of my carburetor and
the car. I was thinking but I am probably wrong - the carburetor is
connected to electric currents flying around the engine - the carburetor
has a ground to the car - the fuel cut off solenoid is getting energy to
open - my car turns on.

I am saying prayers for all of you. Thank you for any answers. I need
help.

Kurt Stocklmeir
---------------------------------------
Posted through http://www.Electronics-Related.com

Have you tried paying a mechanic who knows what he is doing ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson

LOL, Hey I had a 87 honda 1200cvcc. 12" rims, I could change those
things in the back yard. Another thing I found out is if you turn off
the ignition doing 55 for a few seconds, then turn it on, the fuel
vaporized in the cat, then gathered in the muffler and ignited.
Pretty impressive bang.
You could push start the thing, it got 40mpg, and hydroplained @ 35mph
in heavy rain.

Cheers

I can't understand why the OP can't buy a shop manual. Having owned
many old cars in my youth, shop manuals were easy to come by, though
often a wee-bit expensive... the shop manual for my '61 Renault
Dauphine cost me $20 (in 1963 dollars!) and I had to get it from a
book-seller in London.

And I certainly don't buy the "no gasket needed" comment... that
probably accounts fro his extreme 'idle' speed.

I don't think so. I had a carb rebuilt once for a '63 Chevy II. They put
it back on and I found when I worked the throttle gas would leak around the
joint to the manifold. When I complained he explained that when the engine
is running there is a partial vacuum in the manifold and the gas goes into
the engine rather than running out the crack. The amount of air leaking in
would be insignificant compared to what the engine was pumping. I had to
agree.

Even if that was not intended, how the hell would that account for an "idle"
of 6000 RPM??? To get that sort of speed would require a lot more air and
more gas than a vacuum leak would allow. If the air isn't flowing through
the carb it isn't going to pick up fuel.

Hell, carburetors are crude devices that barely work in many respects. The
engines they are mounted on have to be pretty tolerant of all manner of
inadequacies. That's one of several reasons why cars in the 60's ran so
poorly and needed so much maintenance. But I guess I shouldn't go there.
Don't want to start anything that will trash this poor guy's thread.

I just wish he would borrow a friend's camera or phone and give us some
photos of what he has. I bet it is a very simple matter to figure out how
to wire his solenoid... if it is a solenoid, lol. Don't chokes have
electrical heaters sometimes? I seem to recall seeing a choke with a wire
going to it. But then I can't remember the last time I actually looked at
an auto carburetor.

--

Rick C

 

[rickman]

kurtstocklmeir wrote on 6/27/2017 4:20 PM:

Thank you Rick. You are right about a lot of things.

Both guys who have helped me are good at what they do. 1 guy has been a
car mechanic for about 50 years. This is a mess that most mechanics can
not fix.
A long time ago I called places that sell Hondas - I asked them things
like can I buy a new carburetor and can they rebuild my carburetor. They
do not sell carburetors, they do not have parts to rebuild carburetors and
they do not have any people who work for them that know how to rebuild
carburetors. I ran around for about 1 year trying to find people around
Norfolk Va. to fix my carburetor. I live in Norfolk Va. It is not a
small place. I could not find any people. I sent the carburetor to
national carburetor in Florida. I can not even find a person who knows
how to adjust a throttle on my carburetor. These carburetors are the
worst carburetors. This is a carburetor but part of it is fuel injection.
It is a carburetor and fuel injection at the same time. I do not want
any person who does not know what they are doing to change any thing on
the carburetor. The carburetor will not work if any little thing changes
on it. The guy who put my carburetor on my car is a mechanic but he does
not know how to tune it. I can not find any person around where I live
who knows how to tune it.
I guess when air gets into the car the idle can increase a little. You
are right - it would be extreme hard to get a 6000 idle because air is
getting into the car. A lot of new hoses were put on my car when the
carburetor was put on my car. I do not think air is getting in my car.
I guess if the wire of the fuel cut off solenoid is connected to my car
and the car has a bad idle I will try to send the carburetor back to the
factory. I am suppose to have a warranty for it. It could be true the
factory made a mistake tuning it.
Kurt Stocklmeir

I am no expert on fuel injection, but I think there is something called
throttle body fuel injection which means there is a single injector on the
throttle body (what you are calling the carburetor) which injects fuel in
place of the main jet in the carburetor. Like I said, I don't know anything
about this, but I'm guessing they still have an idle circuit to supply the
tiny amount of fuel needed to idle and the fuel injection isn't used at
idle, likely because there isn't enough air moving to assure the fuel will
properly atomize.

So for your engine to be running at 6000 RPM, I'm pretty sure the throttle
has to be at least partly open and the fuel injector has to be pumping some
fuel.

I think I said this before, but all you need to do is look down the throttle
of the carburetor and see if it is fully closed or if it is open even a bit.
That will tell you if the throttle is being held open improperly. You
don't even need the engine running to look. Can you do that? If the
butterfly (the round disc that pivots to open the throttle) has a crack you
could fit the thickness of a nickle into it is open too much. The butterfly
needs to have a little clearance so it doesn't rub against the throttle
walls, maybe the thickness of a dime.

BTW, I am presently at lake Anna about 80 miles from you. lol

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Rick C

 

[kurtstocklmeir]

Thank you Rick. You are right.

The guy who put my carburetor on my car has been a mechanic for about 5
years.

The guy put my carburetor on my car. The idle was about 6000. When th
guy saw my idle was high he knew the metal plate that lets air in
carburetor was letting a lot of air in my carburetor. He knew that wa
causing the high idle. The metal plate was not blocking any air. The gu
used force to move the metal plate where it blocked a lot of air - th
idle went to about 2000. When the guy stopped using force to move th
metal plate the idle went to 6000 - the metal plate moved back to where i
was before the guy made it move letting a lot of air get in th
carburetor.

I will try to use words that a mechanic would use - the throttle i
completely open.

Kur
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[kurtstocklmeir]

Rick you may like this

https://crxsi.com/info/driveability-diagnostics-emissions/HONDA-KEIHIN-CARBURETOR-REPAIR.htm

Kurt Stocklmei
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[rickman]

kurtstocklmeir wrote on 6/28/2017 5:29 PM:
> Thank you Rick. You are right.

That's all I need to hear... lol

So did you figure out why the throttle was wide open? Is it fixed now? I
think you still need to figure out the solenoid wiring. If I understand,
the car won't idle until the solenoid opens the fuel flow. I don't see the
solenoid in the pictures on the page you link to in your other post. Also,
these are pictures of carburetors, not fuel injection throttle bodies. Are
these pictures like what you have?

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[kurtstocklmeir]

Rick the carburetor has a part associated with fuel injection - 2 expert
told me this. The carburetor has a fuel cut off solenoid.

I do not know any thing about cars.

I need to find a person who knows how to connect the wire of the fuel cu
off solenoid to the car. I guess the fuel cut off solenoid will b
connected to a ground. If the wire gets connected to the car and if th
carburetor does not work I guess I will tell the factory they made
mistake. This factory does make mistakes. Experts have told me thi
factory does make mistakes but the factory tends to do a good job.
guess because the carburetor is hard to rebuild it is simple to make
mistake.

Kurt Stocklmei
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[rickman]

kurtstocklmeir wrote on 6/29/2017 5:55 PM:

Rick the carburetor has a part associated with fuel injection - 2 experts
told me this. The carburetor has a fuel cut off solenoid.

Ok, the fuel injector is not important, it just takes the place of the main
jets in a regular carburetor. But the images you recently provided links to
are carburetors (the kind with jets as shown in the pictures), not fuel
injected. So ignore those images.

I do not know any thing about cars.

I need to find a person who knows how to connect the wire of the fuel cut
off solenoid to the car. I guess the fuel cut off solenoid will be
connected to a ground. If the wire gets connected to the car and if the
carburetor does not work I guess I will tell the factory they made a
mistake. This factory does make mistakes. Experts have told me this
factory does make mistakes but the factory tends to do a good job. I
guess because the carburetor is hard to rebuild it is simple to make a
mistake.

All solenoids need TWO connections, ground and hot. Often the ground
connection is switched but that requires two wires. Or the hot can be
switched which means the solenoid can use the mounting for a ground and
there is only one wire. An easy way to tell is to use an ohm meter. Again,
this is much easier than trying to find an expert in a 30 year old car.

You can get a camera phone for $10 and upload some images to a PC by USB or
bluetooth. Then you can put them on the web for us to see. That would be
*SO* easy compared to finding someone who knows about 1987 carburetors. The
wiring is easy to see what is going on. We just need to see it.

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Rick C

 

[M Philbrook]

In article <C4qdncyrP4hNgsnEnZ2dnUU7-IPNnZ2d@giganews.com>, 121969
@Electronics-Related says...

Thank you Rick. You are right.

The guy who put my carburetor on my car has been a mechanic for about 50
years.

The guy put my carburetor on my car. The idle was about 6000. When the
guy saw my idle was high he knew the metal plate that lets air in a
carburetor was letting a lot of air in my carburetor. He knew that was
causing the high idle. The metal plate was not blocking any air. The guy
used force to move the metal plate where it blocked a lot of air - the
idle went to about 2000. When the guy stopped using force to move the
metal plate the idle went to 6000 - the metal plate moved back to where it
was before the guy made it move letting a lot of air get in the
carburetor.

I will try to use words that a mechanic would use - the throttle is
completely open.

Kurt
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put the f"ing gasket in it!

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2017-06-27, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

Even if that was not intended, how the hell would that account for an "idle"
of 6000 RPM??? To get that sort of speed would require a lot more air and
more gas than a vacuum leak would allow. If the air isn't flowing through
the carb it isn't going to pick up fuel.

idle speed is not iontrinsic to the engine is is set by limiting the
closure of the throttle butterfly valve, this often done by a screw
that acts on the sector pulley that receives the accelerator cable
limiting how far it can close.


if you've got a vacuum leak the mixture will be too lean at the ideal
setting so the trottle will need to be further opened to accomodate
that fault.


having that solenoid disconnected also makes the mixture leaner at low flow rates
same net result, engine won't idle until the thottle is opened further.

also hard to restat when warm.

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