Ground is no longer at ground potential

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:16:35 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

The solar wind has to be neutral on average, because otherwise the
voltage on the Sun would increase indefinitely.

That would be useful for people who have solar panels....

 

On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 09:30:05 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

Over tens of billions of years average. Maybe all those electrons will
gradually return when the sun cools off.

If earth has a net charge, it is probably not many volts. Aren't
cosmic rays almost all positive?

Most of the earth's surface is conductive, but dry sand might be a
good enough insulator to have local surface potentials. Sounds like a
good science project. Maybe make a drone that could scan a region and
map gradients.

Considering this, is the sun AC or DC? Is it LED, Florescent or
Incandescent? Does it contain batterier or capacitors to keep it lit?
Does anyone operate a sun control panel to keep the brightness on the
same level, and color? And what is the voltage, amperage and wattage of
the sun?

 

[John Robertson]

On 2017/04/01 11:48 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 10:51:42 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2017/04/01 8:12 AM, Tom Biasi wrote:
On 4/1/2017 10:32 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Scientists have determined that ground is no longer at ground potential.
snip a bunch of junk
Reprinted from: The Electro Scientific Journal

This is what happens from abuse of drugs.
The earth now has an 8 volt potential in reference to what?

Have you checked today's date?

John

April 1 is my favorite holiday. It's all about having fun. You dont have
to dress up or impress anyone, you dont have to buy gifts, decorate or
cook fancy meals, you doint have to go to church, or wave a flag, and
it's the only day of the year when you can say stupid shit and act
really goofy and get away with it.....

Of course this article about Electrical Grounds, 'could' be true..... I
wont make any comments about it till April 2.

Happy April Fools Day!


By the way, wanna get your spouse or a friend?
Remove the aerator from a faucet, put some saran wrap over the faucet,
then put the aerator back on. Then wrap one prong on every plug in the
house with scotch tape, and dont forget my favorite. Put a screw in
adaptor from light socket to outlet in place of the refrigerator light
bulb. Then plug a radio into it and turn the volume up loud. !!! Then
tell your spouse, friend, or parents to get you a cold beer or soda!!!

Reminds me of the April issues of Radio Electronics back in the day...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 13:48:47 -0500, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 10:51:42 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2017/04/01 8:12 AM, Tom Biasi wrote:
On 4/1/2017 10:32 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Scientists have determined that ground is no longer at ground potential.
snip a bunch of junk
Reprinted from: The Electro Scientific Journal

This is what happens from abuse of drugs.
The earth now has an 8 volt potential in reference to what?

Have you checked today's date?

John

April 1 is my favorite holiday. It's all about having fun. You dont have
to dress up or impress anyone, you dont have to buy gifts, decorate or
cook fancy meals, you doint have to go to church, or wave a flag, and
it's the only day of the year when you can say stupid shit and act
really goofy and get away with it.....

Of course this article about Electrical Grounds, 'could' be true..... I
wont make any comments about it till April 2.

Happy April Fools Day!


By the way, wanna get your spouse or a friend?
Remove the aerator from a faucet, put some saran wrap over the faucet,
then put the aerator back on. Then wrap one prong on every plug in the
house with scotch tape, and dont forget my favorite. Put a screw in
adaptor from light socket to outlet in place of the refrigerator light
bulb. Then plug a radio into it and turn the volume up loud. !!! Then
tell your spouse, friend, or parents to get you a cold beer or soda!!!

Do you still have a spouse, or any friends?


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:23:41 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com>
wrote:

Reminds me of the April issues of Radio Electronics back in the day...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

What sort of stuff did they have?
I may have to look andf see if they are archived. I know all the popular
electronics can be viewed or downloaded online.

 

[MJC]

In article <7ntvdc9rut5jkrg8vma0kh9jkej85c3mqj@4ax.com>,
oldschool@tubes.com says...

Considering this, is the sun AC or DC? Is it LED, Florescent or
Incandescent? Does it contain batterier or capacitors to keep it lit?
Does anyone operate a sun control panel to keep the brightness on the
same level, and color? And what is the voltage, amperage and wattage of
the sun?

I hope we can all agree, all days of the year, that the sun is
incandescent! With a daylight colour temperature...

I expect someone has worked out the wattage. It will be an astronomical
number.

Mike.

 

[Clifford Heath]

On 02/04/17 02:33, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 04/01/2017 12:24 PM, MJC wrote:
In article <TtqdndisPIn-T0LFnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@supernews.com>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

The solar wind has to be neutral on average, because otherwise the
voltage on the Sun would increase indefinitely.

What do you think causes Coronal Mass Ejections? (Whether premature or
not...)

Mike.


Because the body of the Sun is a good conductor, the magnetic field gets
frozen in--it can change only by diffusion, which is very slow on long
length scales. (It slows down quadratically with distance.)

The Sun also doesn't rotate like a rigid body--the equator rotates
faster than the poles, which kinks up the field. That does work on the
magnetic field, just the way an electric generator works. The resulting
local increases in B eventually causes the magnetic force to overcome
gravity in "reconnection events" where the kinks unkink themselves by
tossing huge chunks of solar material into space.

It's sort of a magnetic version of a watch spring buckling sideways when
you tighten it past a certain point with the cover off.

Did I ever tell you that you're a wonderful explainer?

I wish I had a reason to learn photonics so I could justify spending
some neurons to read your book..

Thanks.

 

On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 12:24:19 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 01 Apr 2017 13:48:47 -0500, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 10:51:42 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:

On 2017/04/01 8:12 AM, Tom Biasi wrote:
On 4/1/2017 10:32 AM, oldschool@tubes.com wrote:
Scientists have determined that ground is no longer at ground potential.
snip a bunch of junk
Reprinted from: The Electro Scientific Journal

This is what happens from abuse of drugs.
The earth now has an 8 volt potential in reference to what?

Have you checked today's date?

John

April 1 is my favorite holiday. It's all about having fun. You dont have
to dress up or impress anyone, you dont have to buy gifts, decorate or
cook fancy meals, you doint have to go to church, or wave a flag, and
it's the only day of the year when you can say stupid shit and act
really goofy and get away with it.....

Of course this article about Electrical Grounds, 'could' be true..... I
wont make any comments about it till April 2.

Happy April Fools Day!


By the way, wanna get your spouse or a friend?
Remove the aerator from a faucet, put some saran wrap over the faucet,
then put the aerator back on. Then wrap one prong on every plug in the
house with scotch tape, and dont forget my favorite. Put a screw in
adaptor from light socket to outlet in place of the refrigerator light
bulb. Then plug a radio into it and turn the volume up loud. !!! Then
tell your spouse, friend, or parents to get you a cold beer or soda!!!


Do you still have a spouse, or any friends?

I had a friend who was in a grocery store with is wife. While she
was shopping he was wandering around. Thinking that he had to do
something special for April-1, he went over to the desk and bough a
lottery ticket, for his wife, with the previous day's winning numbers.
When he found her, he fished the ticket out of his pocket and told her
to check it when she checked out and continued to wander around. A
few minutes later he heard her scream from across the store. Not sure
if they're still married, though.

 

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 22:46:34 +0100, MJC <gravity@mjcoon.plus.com> wrote:

I hope we can all agree, all days of the year, that the sun is
incandescent! With a daylight colour temperature...

I expect someone has worked out the wattage. It will be an astronomical
number.

Mike.

I have a feeling that if anyone touched the sun, they would be
electrocuted.....

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2017-04-01, oldschool@tubes.com <oldschool@tubes.com> wrote:

On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:23:41 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:


Reminds me of the April issues of Radio Electronics back in the day...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

What sort of stuff did they have?

"Write-only memory"

--
This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 04/01/2017 07:05 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 02/04/17 02:33, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/01/2017 12:24 PM, MJC wrote:
In article <TtqdndisPIn-T0LFnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@supernews.com>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

The solar wind has to be neutral on average, because otherwise the
voltage on the Sun would increase indefinitely.

What do you think causes Coronal Mass Ejections? (Whether premature or
not...)

Mike.


Because the body of the Sun is a good conductor, the magnetic field gets
frozen in--it can change only by diffusion, which is very slow on long
length scales. (It slows down quadratically with distance.)

The Sun also doesn't rotate like a rigid body--the equator rotates
faster than the poles, which kinks up the field. That does work on the
magnetic field, just the way an electric generator works. The resulting
local increases in B eventually causes the magnetic force to overcome
gravity in "reconnection events" where the kinks unkink themselves by
tossing huge chunks of solar material into space.

It's sort of a magnetic version of a watch spring buckling sideways when
you tighten it past a certain point with the cover off.

Did I ever tell you that you're a wonderful explainer?

I wish I had a reason to learn photonics so I could justify spending
some neurons to read your book..

Thanks.

Well, only half of it is about optics.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

 

[MJC]

In article <5msvdclgl2isrvu4hhlcgf7tfdoot98mef@4ax.com>,
oldschool@tubes.com says...

Happy April Fools Day!

I hope you guys enjoy this ancient specification writen by someone at my
old employer, a computer manufacturer once upon a time...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pagmxe035pv4fno/1900%20SERIES.mht?dl=0

While you're there, this is a circuit I designed back in the early 1960s
for a rather strange purpose. I'd be interested to know if anyone has
seen it before.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wf5iiujs9hnpjtz/CEDRIC-multivibrator.jpg?dl=0

Mike.

 

[Andy Burns]

MJC wrote:

I hope you guys enjoy this ancient specification writen by someone at my
old employer, a computer manufacturer once upon a time...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pagmxe035pv4fno/1900%20SERIES.mht?dl=0

Looks like a load of old balls to me.

 

[amdx]

On 4/1/2017 9:42 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2017-04-01, oldschool@tubes.com <oldschool@tubes.com> wrote:
On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:23:41 -0700, John Robertson <spam@flippers.com
wrote:


Reminds me of the April issues of Radio Electronics back in the day...

Thanks!

John :-#)#

What sort of stuff did they have?

"Write-only memory"

Screen print function, monitor mounted on top of a copy machine.
Mikek

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https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 09:05:44 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

On 02/04/17 02:33, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 04/01/2017 12:24 PM, MJC wrote:
In article <TtqdndisPIn-T0LFnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@supernews.com>,
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net says...

The solar wind has to be neutral on average, because otherwise the
voltage on the Sun would increase indefinitely.

What do you think causes Coronal Mass Ejections? (Whether premature or
not...)

Mike.


Because the body of the Sun is a good conductor, the magnetic field gets
frozen in--it can change only by diffusion, which is very slow on long
length scales. (It slows down quadratically with distance.)

The Sun also doesn't rotate like a rigid body--the equator rotates
faster than the poles, which kinks up the field. That does work on the
magnetic field, just the way an electric generator works. The resulting
local increases in B eventually causes the magnetic force to overcome
gravity in "reconnection events" where the kinks unkink themselves by
tossing huge chunks of solar material into space.

It's sort of a magnetic version of a watch spring buckling sideways when
you tighten it past a certain point with the cover off.

Did I ever tell you that you're a wonderful explainer?

I wish I had a reason to learn photonics so I could justify spending
some neurons to read your book..

I MEGO on a lot of the optics in Phil's book (entendues and such) but
the photon budget stuff is comprehensible, and there's some really
good stuff about electronic design.

It's roughly half electronics, which makes sense since the world is
half electronics.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

[MJC]

In article <ekc0seFaqjqU1@mid.individual.net>, usenet@andyburns.uk
says...

MJC wrote:

I hope you guys enjoy this ancient specification writen by someone at my
old employer, a computer manufacturer once upon a time...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pagmxe035pv4fno/1900%20SERIES.mht?dl=0

Looks like a load of old balls to me.

Yes, if you know about the theorem about combing a hairy ball the whole
thing seems less convincing!

Mike.

 

Yes, if you know about the theorem about combing a hairy ball the whole
thing seems less convincing!

...................


can global static electricity rises effect ground voltage ?

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:19:27 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, if you know about the theorem about combing a hairy ball the whole
thing seems less convincing!

..................


can global static electricity rises effect ground voltage ?

Probably on a global scale. Given all the various magnetic fields in and around the earth, given the differences in resistance from location to location (on land) and more, I am sure there are all sorts of micro-variations. But ground potential at any given point will be whatever is needed - that is, able to take 100% of what is 'above ground' relative to it. Which is what is measured (at that point) in any case, correct?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

 

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 9:23:12 AM UTC-4, pf...@aol.com wrote:

On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:19:27 PM UTC-4, avag...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, if you know about the theorem about combing a hairy ball the whole
thing seems less convincing!

..................


can global static electricity rises effect ground voltage ?

Probably on a global scale. Given all the various magnetic fields in and around the earth, given the differences in resistance from location to location (on land) and more, I am sure there are all sorts of micro-variations. But ground potential at any given point will be whatever is needed - that is, able to take 100% of what is 'above ground' relative to it. Which is what is measured (at that point) in any case, correct?

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA

I doahn know. Searching does not in short time lead to pursuable paths.

My experiments in the area define the concept as behaviorally and then functionally positive pursuing action within the arrived at elevated or depressed electric charge space.

From there awareness of time differences.....1950 vs 2010 ....in environmental charges coming from rubber on cement, electrical line discharge, the gamut...for behavioral response to the environment is clearly yes it does this in a significant way.

This does not agree with your response. Link to the plumbing ?

The question posed here is based on a probably fictional number for stable microvolt flow in and out of the ground. A not available number ?

 

[pfjw@aol.com]

You write in pretzels, not clear English.

At the scales you are positing, there are very few things that humans could do that would affect global static potential. If the concept of a marble containing a large amount of iron and maintaining a significant magnetic field, traveling in a moderately hard (but by no means perfect) vacuum around a much larger magnetic field that is continuously spewing massive quantities of various particles, some charged, some not, some fast, some slow, some massive (in the realm of particles) and some not lets you see a way that rubber on concrete, even large amounts of it relative to human size and weight, will materially affect ground-voltage other than _very_ locally - I would like *that* explained.

No matter how arrogant Mankind might be, we are still barely the equivalent of light mold on an orange. And as far as the earth is concerned, various sorts of mold have come and gone with no material effect on the planet itself - not on any sort of galactic scale. We may render the planet inimical our particular type of mold, but as it happens, the earth just does not care as in the fullness of time, some other sort will come along.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, pA