Google Groups has Taken the Crap!...

[Don Y]

On 11/30/2020 1:51 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 14:18:37 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 12:44 PM, albert wrote:
My internet provider xs4all.nl just has an associated mailserver
webmail.xs4all.nl and an nntpserver news.xs4all.nl.
Is that uncommon?

I don\'t think many US ISPs provide NNTP servers. In the past,
*smaller* providers would host a local NNTP server, local groups,
shell accounts, etc.

Now, even hosting SMTP is becoming rarer as so many folks get their
email from the likes of google.

Getting an NNTP *feed* is also more challenging.

It\'s not hard at all. I used to get usenet news via COMCAST, but they
dropped that service, so now I get it from Giganews. There are many
others.

I assume you are speaking about accessing a server as a *client*
(as ALL of us reading this are now doing). Each connection, you
see the headers for the newsgroups to which you are *subscribed*.
And, the *bodies* for any that you care to examine are pulled
down to your machine, as well.

I\'m talking about a full *feed* to my own NNTP server. This places
a bigger hit on their server as you\'re moving ALL of the articles
(headers and bodies) in *all* of the newsgroups onto *your* server,
not just the headers (and those few bodies) for \"subscribed\" groups.

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:21:07 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 11/30/2020 1:51 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 14:18:37 -0700, Don Y
blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 11/29/2020 12:44 PM, albert wrote:
My internet provider xs4all.nl just has an associated mailserver
webmail.xs4all.nl and an nntpserver news.xs4all.nl.
Is that uncommon?

I don\'t think many US ISPs provide NNTP servers. In the past,
*smaller* providers would host a local NNTP server, local groups,
shell accounts, etc.

Now, even hosting SMTP is becoming rarer as so many folks get their
email from the likes of google.

Getting an NNTP *feed* is also more challenging.

It\'s not hard at all. I used to get usenet news via COMCAST, but they
dropped that service, so now I get it from Giganews. There are many
others.

I assume you are speaking about accessing a server as a *client*
(as ALL of us reading this are now doing). Each connection, you
see the headers for the newsgroups to which you are *subscribed*.
And, the *bodies* for any that you care to examine are pulled
down to your machine, as well.

Yes, that\'s exactly what I\'m doing.

I\'m talking about a full *feed* to my own NNTP server. This places
a bigger hit on their server as you\'re moving ALL of the articles
(headers and bodies) in *all* of the newsgroups onto *your* server,
not just the headers (and those few bodies) for \"subscribed\" groups.

Well, GigaNews et al are getting that feed somewhere, and likely
paying for it too.

Joe Gwinn