Google evilness again...

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-08-15 19:38, Tom Gardner wrote:

Google\'s browser (Chrome) now hides the full URL in the address bar

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/08/14/1614247/google-resumes-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-hides-full-addresses-on-chrome-86

\"Doctor, Doctor! It hurts when I go like this!\"

\"So don\'t go like that.\"

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Ricketty C]

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 7:08:34 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?
I\'m not sure. I\'m a google groups regular and they\'ve been
threatening to switch to the \'new Groups\' for ~1 month now.
I think google logged me on to the \'new Groups\' once... but I just
selected the old... but not too long before that goes
away I\'m afraid. Progress, we must march onward. :^)

They only recently made it clear that we won\'t be given a choice at some point.

\"The new Google Groups has a fresh look and updated controls and will be replacing classic Groups soon\"

I don\'t like it mostly because I can\'t see the groups list at the same time as the threads. Silly to use the entire screen for one pane. They also don\'t make all the same info available.

All the problems with the current page is technical with things not loading and having to refresh the entire page periodically.

--

Rick C.

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[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 6:21:31 AM UTC+10, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

No. But I access Google groups (and other Google Services) via my IEEE identity, and I have to log via the IEEE once a fortnight.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Tabby]

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how gg manages to be so stupid.


NT

 

[Michael Terrell]

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It looks like they are trying to kill it off.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 15/08/2020 21:21, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

No. It made a toke effort to persuade me to make my non-existent selfie
of me available to others but that was about it. One click and I was in.

I only ever use that interface if I am travelling or TB has lost a
Usenet posting because of my impatience. There seems to be a glitch if
you select a new post whilst it is still downloading headers. The post
that gets selected stays a null body under a live header forever.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-08-16, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-15 19:53, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?


try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.


But they already know who you are--that\'s what the nonsense string at
the end is for.

no that\'s a link to this thread.

My main issue with it is not Usenet. Browsing when you\'re signed into
Google, or even afterwards if you haven\'t cleared all your cookies and
cached data and changed your browser signature lets their analytics
track you over the whole web.

I discovered that link using an incognito session, I\'s possible they
identified me by IP address I guess.


--
Jasen.

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 16.08.20 um 11:00 schrieb Jasen Betts:

On 2020-08-16, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:


I discovered that link using an incognito session, I\'s possible they
identified me by IP address I guess.

In my case I was treated as different people, although the 2 computers
have the same ip address because of NAT.

cheers,
Gerhard

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-08-16, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

On 2020-08-15 19:53, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?


try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.


But they already know who you are--that\'s what the nonsense string at
the end is for.

no that\'s a link to this thread.

My main issue with it is not Usenet. Browsing when you\'re signed into
Google, or even afterwards if you haven\'t cleared all your cookies and
cached data and changed your browser signature lets their analytics
track you over the whole web.

I discovered that link using an incognito session, It\'s possible they
identified me by IP address I guess.

--
Jasen.

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 16/08/20 02:31, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-08-15 19:38, Tom Gardner wrote:
Google\'s browser (Chrome) now hides the full URL in the address bar

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/08/14/1614247/google-resumes-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-hides-full-addresses-on-chrome-86


\"Doctor, Doctor!  It hurts when I go like this!\"

\"So don\'t go like that.\"

\"Doctor, Doctor! It hurts when I go like this!\"

\"That\'s not my problem,and it helps me\".

 

[Martin Brown]

On 16/08/2020 00:53, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.

Goes straight to it for me. I only got nagged to let it show my
non-existent portrait photo the first time I went there this morning.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Tabby]

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 06:04:37 UTC+1, Michael Terrell wrote:

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It looks like they are trying to kill it off.

Instead of screwing up the interface again & again they could just add banner ads. I can only conclude GG is in the hands of a moron.


NT

 

[George Herold]

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:

On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how gg manages to be so stupid.


NT

To be fair, I find the current GG to be much better than it was.
For awhile it would disappear (stop updating) for days/ weeks at a time.

George H.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 12:01:27 PM UTC-4, George Herold wrote:

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how gg manages to be so stupid.


NT

To be fair, I find the current GG to be much better than it was.
For awhile it would disappear (stop updating) for days/ weeks at a time.

I don\'t know what that was for you, but it wasn\'t Google. I use it nearly every day and I\'ve never seen it \"stop updating\". The code is sometimes flaky and you have to reload the page, but that is the worst issue I\'ve ever seen with it.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 8/16/2020 10:12 AM, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 06:04:37 UTC+1, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It looks like they are trying to kill it off.

Instead of screwing up the interface again & again they could just add banner ads. I can only conclude GG is in the hands of a moron.


NT

Like some employee who still uses Usenet

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-08-16 05:00, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-08-16, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 19:53, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?


try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.


But they already know who you are--that\'s what the nonsense string at
the end is for.

no that\'s a link to this thread.

My main issue with it is not Usenet. Browsing when you\'re signed into
Google, or even afterwards if you haven\'t cleared all your cookies and
cached data and changed your browser signature lets their analytics
track you over the whole web.

I discovered that link using an incognito session, I\'s possible they
identified me by IP address I guess.

And your browser fingerprint. Check out https://panopticlick.eff.org
for lots more about that--you\'ll find out how far from anonymous that is.

There are also zombie cookies, which after you delete them get recreated
from your browser fingerprint the next time you load a page that uses
the same analytics vendor.

And of course, if you\'re logged into Google while browsing elsewhere,
their analytics slurp everything.

Cheers

Phil \"Google is not my friend\" Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Wond]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:12:42 -0700, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 06:04:37 UTC+1, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just
to _read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up
a listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me
to the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one
breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG
manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It
looks like they are trying to kill it off.

Instead of screwing up the interface again & again they could just add
banner ads. I can only conclude GG is in the hands of a moron.

I have a theory, that any society based on greed must eventually be run
by morons; but why are you bright people using GG? I dont know if, say,
Gnus would run on Qubes, but worth a try. Still Usenet servers, News
clients. Cheers
> NT

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-08-18 11:14, Wond wrote:

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:12:42 -0700, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 06:04:37 UTC+1, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just
to _read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up
a listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me
to the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one
breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG
manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It
looks like they are trying to kill it off.

Instead of screwing up the interface again & again they could just add
banner ads. I can only conclude GG is in the hands of a moron.


I have a theory, that any society based on greed must eventually be run
by morons; but why are you bright people using GG? I dont know if, say,
Gnus would run on Qubes, but worth a try. Still Usenet servers, News
clients. Cheers
NT

There\'s no NNTP client for Blackberry 10. I use Thunderbird on computers.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Ricketty C]

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 11:30:12 AM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-08-18 11:14, Wond wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 07:12:42 -0700, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 16 August 2020 06:04:37 UTC+1, Michael Terrell wrote:
On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Tabby wrote:
On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 21:21:31 UTC+1, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just
to _read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up
a listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me
to the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Every new iteration of GG works worse than the last one, but this one
breaks lots of functionality in one shot. I don\'t know how GG
manages to be so stupid.

Google doesn\'t make any money from advertising on Google Groups. It
looks like they are trying to kill it off.

Instead of screwing up the interface again & again they could just add
banner ads. I can only conclude GG is in the hands of a moron.


I have a theory, that any society based on greed must eventually be run
by morons; but why are you bright people using GG? I dont know if, say,
Gnus would run on Qubes, but worth a try. Still Usenet servers, News
clients. Cheers
NT

There\'s no NNTP client for Blackberry 10. I use Thunderbird on computers.

I went through a progression of using Thunderbird for usenet potentially for all email until it crapped out and I could not revive it. So I switched to Seamonkey until it eventually also crapped out with all four legs in the air (or is it six?).

That\'s when I found the true religion of Google Groups. Now the heathens are threatening that. We must take action and wrest control of GG to keep it pure and holy!

Or not.

--

Rick C.

-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Michael_A_Terrell]

Wond wrote:

I have a theory, that any society based on greed must eventually be
run by morons; but why are you bright people using GG? I dont know
if, say, Gnus would run on Qubes, but worth a try. Still Usenet
servers, News clients. Cheers

I\'m not. I gave up and switched servers. It was taking too long per
message to read on GG, when I can just download all new messages at once.


--
Never piss off an Engineer!

They don\'t get mad.

They don\'t get even.

They go for over unity! ;-)