Google evilness again...

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Phil Hobbs

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Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design>

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

Just now and once. Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.
 
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.
Click to expand...

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.
Click to expand...

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 8/15/20 3:42 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

      Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...
Yes. I forgot to mention to click on the group name when it pops
up in the search. I saw a bunch of old posts then clicked on the group
name in the top left.
I had to type it in twice on another attempt but then it came up just
as it should. I can read your posts and my responses through Google
groups without any problem.
 
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.
n
Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.
Click to expand...

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Click to expand...

I experienced same thing today. I look at this site at work but not logged in. Would not let me look today. I found other paths to see the posts here from work
 
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Click to expand...

Google is evil.....unfortunately everybody else sucks at everything google does so finding an alternative is hard. Is Bing done by anyone who actually cares. I wish I could have a crack at competing with Google.
 
On 8/15/20 3:42 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
I copied this from Google groups. I messed up and lost your last
post so things might look a little goofy.
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Just now and once. Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...
 
On 8/15/20 4:13 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:42 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
   I copied this from Google groups.  I messed up and lost your last
post so things might look a little goofy.
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

       Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The last one from Google is this:
Click to expand...

blo...@columbus.rr.com
4:10 PM (6 minutes ago)

On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
- show quoted text -
Google is evil.....unfortunately everybody else sucks at everything
google does so finding an alternative is hard. Is Bing done by anyone
who actually cares. I wish I could have a crack at competing with Google.
 
On 2020/08/15 2:05 p.m., Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.
n
Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

      Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

After I logged out of Google and then searched for google groups and a
group I use, that showed up in the response - duckduckgo - but when I
clicked on it Google didn\'t like that I wasn\'t logged in and took me to
the Google login window.

They are trying to sell more crap to us I guess.

I wonder if duckduck would open a usenet section...

John :-#(#
 
Am 15.08.20 um 22:21 schrieb Phil Hobbs:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

I get no login requests, they recognize me anyway.

<
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/50230775552/in/dateposted-public/
>
The line at the top says that a new Ggl groups with modern design and
new controls will replace the classical ggl groups soon. It is possible
to test the new version by clicking the blue field to the right.

Then it looks this way:
<
https://www.flickr.com/photos/137684711@N07/50229911223/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/
>

Going back to the old version requires the use of the gear wheel.

On a different computer where google does not know me I do have
the option to log in, but it is not required.

Cheers,
Gerhard
 
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

I tried again out of idle curiosity. I cleared cookies and
history then searched Google for sci.electronics.design
Clicking on this took me to the site without any problems.

groups.google.com › forum › embed

All of the posts show up like they should.
Gerhard\'s post says he tried a second computer and he could sign in
but didn\'t need to.
I\'m using Safari on my Macbook Air. DuckDuckgo for searches.
 
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?
Click to expand...
I\'m not sure. I\'m a google groups regular and they\'ve been
threatening to switch to the \'new Groups\' for ~1 month now.
I think google logged me on to the \'new Groups\' once... but I just
selected the old... but not too long before that goes
away I\'m afraid. Progress, we must march onward. :^)

George H.
Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Click to expand...
 
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 5:10:26 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Google is evil.....unfortunately everybody else sucks at everything google does so finding an alternative is hard. Is Bing done by anyone who actually cares. I wish I could have a crack at competing with Google.
Click to expand...

duck duck go is OK for search. (I\'m often amused at the result
differences between DDG and goolge.)

George H.
 
On 16/08/20 00:11, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 5:10:26 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet. Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Google is evil.....unfortunately everybody else sucks at everything google does so finding an alternative is hard. Is Bing done by anyone who actually cares. I wish I could have a crack at competing with Google.

duck duck go is OK for search. (I\'m often amused at the result
differences between DDG and goolge.)
Click to expand...

Google serves up results it thinks you will find relevant, based
on your past history of search/clicks. DDG strips that info before
it reaches google, so the results can\'t be tailored.
 
Google\'s browser (Chrome) now hides the full URL in the address bar

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/08/14/1614247/google-resumes-its-attack-on-the-url-bar-hides-full-addresses-on-chrome-86
 
On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
Click to expand...

try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.

--
Jasen.
 
On 2020-08-15 19:53, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-08-15, Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
On 2020-08-15 16:36, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 8/15/20 3:21 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

     Just now and once.  Try going to the Google search window then
typing in the group name exactly as it is.

Does it work if you try to read any posts, though?


try this URL:

https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/sci.electronics.design/MzczXtXPohE

They seem to be strongly encouraging a login, but not actually
requiring one yet.
Click to expand...

But they already know who you are--that\'s what the nonsense string at
the end is for.

My main issue with it is not Usenet. Browsing when you\'re signed into
Google, or even afterwards if you haven\'t cleared all your cookies and
cached data and changed your browser signature lets their analytics
track you over the whole web.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 2020-08-15 19:35, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 16/08/20 00:11, George Herold wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 5:10:26 PM UTC-4,
blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 4:21:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Just this minute, Google Groups has started requiring a login just to
_read_ Usenet.  Going through my browser history, I can bring up a
listing page, e.g.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.electronics.design

but as of just now, when I click on any of the posts, it brings me to
the login screen.

Same with you folks?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

Google is evil.....unfortunately everybody else sucks at everything
google does so finding an alternative is hard.  Is Bing done by
anyone who actually cares.  I wish I could have a crack at competing
with Google.

duck duck go is OK for search.  (I\'m often amused at the result
differences between DDG and goolge.)

Google serves up results it thinks you will find relevant, based
on your past history of search/clicks. DDG strips that info before
it reaches google, so the results can\'t be tailored.
Click to expand...

Startpage and IxQuick do that, which is useful all by itself.
DuckDuckGo seems to be pretty well independent of Google, aggregating
stuff from a whole lot of other sources as well as running its own crawler.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
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