Gerry Harvey Retreats!

[Rod Speed]

kym@kymhorseshit.com wrote:

Bruce Cook <bruce-usenet@noreplybicycle.synonet.comnoreply> wrote

Think about what would happen if customs stopped
every item coming into AU in the post to collect the GST.

Parcels are randomly stopped & inspected regardless of their value.

But only a small subset of the total.

So GST doesn't impose anything extra AFAIK.

More fool you. There is a hell of a difference between
just randomly Xraying a tiny subset of the parcels from
particular places etc, and checking the declared value on
all of them, let alone charging the GST on all of them.

I haven't received any items >100 aud in the past couple of years,
but I seem to remember all that happens is the parcel guy demands
money at the door or he won't leave it.

Nope, you get a card in the post and you go to the post office and
pay the amount the card specifys to them before you get the parcel.

I think you get a prior notification that you
need to pay, so you have the money ready.

Its not collected by the posty.

I think the parcel guy accept credit cards.

The post office certainly does.

So no sweat.

Pity about the cost of all that when the GST collected is peanuts, stupid.

 

[terryc]

Benway (original non-Zionist) wrote:

Th reason big retailers backed the GST was because
crazy old non-core Johnny assured them the GST would
knock-off all the small competition that was creeping
up on the big boys. The free ride seems to be over,
and now they are screaming and wailing.

They figured they would close the sales tax lurk(import a lot of stuff,
run up sales tax bill, go broke, fire sales to self in different name).
worked for two years maximum and then the same people worked out how to
fiddle GST.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2011-01-07, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Don McKenzie wrote:

well, the masses are still very angry:

http://www.facebook.com/HarveyNormanAU
http://www.theage.com.au/business/gerry-harvey-in-difficult-position-over-gst-crusade-20110107-19i3u.html


Cheers Don...

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The problem is that collecting tax cost money and on the amounts
mentioned the return could be revenue neutral or even cost more than
gained, so the govt would not gain. the only people that think they
would gain are people like Harvey (but they probably would not).
I suppose public service jobs would inflate but that is not good.
I hope the government holds their ground and does not cave in to big
business.

for cheap stuff they only need to slap an (or another) invoice pouch
on the package with a bill, the recipient can pay it on-line or at the
post office like other tax bills.

break-even's probably about $5 GST, and most parcels will qualify for
that because shipping is going to be $25 for a start, its probably
easier to just hit them all.

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[F Murtz]

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-01-07, F Murtz<haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:

well, the masses are still very angry:

http://www.facebook.com/HarveyNormanAU
http://www.theage.com.au/business/gerry-harvey-in-difficult-position-over-gst-crusade-20110107-19i3u.html


Cheers Don...

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The problem is that collecting tax cost money and on the amounts
mentioned the return could be revenue neutral or even cost more than
gained, so the govt would not gain. the only people that think they
would gain are people like Harvey (but they probably would not).
I suppose public service jobs would inflate but that is not good.
I hope the government holds their ground and does not cave in to big
business.

for cheap stuff they only need to slap an (or another) invoice pouch
on the package with a bill, the recipient can pay it on-line or at the
post office like other tax bills.

break-even's probably about $5 GST, and most parcels will qualify for
that because shipping is going to be $25 for a start, its probably
easier to just hit them all.

What about the thousands of things that cost a few dollars total,
postage included,

 

[Rod Speed]

Jasen Betts wrote

F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote
Don McKenzie wrote

well, the masses are still very angry:

http://www.facebook.com/HarveyNormanAU
http://www.theage.com.au/business/gerry-harvey-in-difficult-position-over-gst-crusade-20110107-19i3u.html

The problem is that collecting tax cost money and on the amounts
mentioned the return could be revenue neutral or even cost more than
gained, so the govt would not gain. the only people that think they
would gain are people like Harvey (but they probably would not).
I suppose public service jobs would inflate but that is not good.

I hope the government holds their ground and does not cave in to big business.

for cheap stuff they only need to slap an (or another) invoice pouch
on the package with a bill, the recipient can pay it on-line or at the
post office like other tax bills.

Its more complicated than that when so many are prepared
to lie about the value of what they sell with exports.

I even had one take the label off a very expensive filter that had a lot of duty
owing on it and post the label separately, without me even asking them to do that.

break-even's probably about $5 GST,

Nope, it costs a lot more than that to check the real value of the item.

and most parcels will qualify for that because shipping is going
to be $25 for a start, its probably easier to just hit them all.

Not when you have to check if the declared value is correct.

It would cost more than $5 to collect the GST at the post office anyway.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2011-01-08, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote

Its more complicated than that when so many are prepared
to lie about the value of what they sell with exports.

I even had one take the label off a very expensive filter that had a lot of duty
owing on it and post the label separately, without me even asking them to do that.

break-even's probably about $5 GST,

Nope, it costs a lot more than that to check the real value of the item.

they already have to do that, see your example above, no change.

and most parcels will qualify for that because shipping is going
to be $25 for a start, its probably easier to just hit them all.

Not when you have to check if the declared value is correct.

It would cost more than $5 to collect the GST at the post office anyway.

how do you figure that?

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[Rod Speed]

Jasen Betts wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Jasen Betts wrote

Its more complicated than that when so many are prepared
to lie about the value of what they sell with exports.

I even had one take the label off a very expensive filter
that had a lot of duty owing on it and post the label
separately, without me even asking them to do that.

break-even's probably about $5 GST,

Nope, it costs a lot more than that to check the real value of the item.

they already have to do that, see your example above, no change.

Wrong. Its much easier to estimate if the item is worth more than
$1K or not and no big deal if you get that wrong ocassionally.

and most parcels will qualify for that because shipping is going
to be $25 for a start, its probably easier to just hit them all.

Not when you have to check if the declared value is correct.

It would cost more than $5 to collect the GST at the post office anyway.

how do you figure that?

Aust Post doesnt do that for free, even for the govt.

And even if it did, it would cost the post office more than that doing the transaction anyway.

 

[Rob]

On 8/01/2011 10:09 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-01-08, Rod Speed<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
Jasen Betts wrote

Its more complicated than that when so many are prepared
to lie about the value of what they sell with exports.

I even had one take the label off a very expensive filter that had a lot of duty
owing on it and post the label separately, without me even asking them to do that.

break-even's probably about $5 GST,

Nope, it costs a lot more than that to check the real value of the item.

they already have to do that, see your example above, no change.

and most parcels will qualify for that because shipping is going
to be $25 for a start, its probably easier to just hit them all.

Not when you have to check if the declared value is correct.

It would cost more than $5 to collect the GST at the post office anyway.

how do you figure that?

Before the $1000 was in place there was a rule that the break even
amount collected was $50. ($500 declared valuation of goods).

This value would have risen over time and even at $1000 may only just
cover the costs involved. Paperwork is not free, takes considerable time.