Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

[Don McKenzie]

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or
make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Full Story:
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way_deal_spam/

============================

If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other countries. I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

===========================



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[Adrian Jansen]

On 5/3/2011 5:27 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send
millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or make senders
authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail
infrastructure linking electronic authentication with real-world
identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a government-backed service in which
all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be
intercepted or modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting
to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their real-world
identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a
government-approved service provider. The service will be enabled by a
new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this
month. It will allow service providers to charge for sending messages if
they wish.

Full Story:
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way_deal_spam/


============================

If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking
up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other
countries. I would certainly support it, and want to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper
alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

===========================



Yes, even 1 cent per email would stop virtually all the spam. Just need

to find a way of actually charging the originator.

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Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 5, 5:27 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or
make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Full Story:http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way...

===========================
If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other countries. I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

==========================
--
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Site Map:            http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page:http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page:    http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam:  http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every month:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.htmlhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".

Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail, I get almost no spam
from either of these.
Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might be
a different story.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government regulating my
email in any way, or charging for sending it.


Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government taking
my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist countries
like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans

 

[terryc]

kreed wrote:

Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail, I get almost no spam
from either of these.

Join a few groups and learn.
Wanna spam thousands, just create a yahoo identity and spam, spam, spam,
spam.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote:

On Mar 5, 5:27 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send
millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or
make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing
and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail
infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany
is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted
and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or
receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address
from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects
will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Full
Story:http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way...

============================

If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are
talking up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other
countries. I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering
cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

===========================

--
Don McKenzie

Site Map: http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page:http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every
month:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.htmlhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".

Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail,
I get almost no spam from either of these.

I still get a lot of spam to the yahoo address that I used to use in usenet.

Get much less to the gmail address that I now use after
Horry pointed out how much better it is at spam handling.

Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might be a different story.

It is indeed. I get almost no spam to my other yahoo address,
just the stuff from places I have dealt with using it like godaddy.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government
regulating my email in any way, or charging for sending it.

Me too, particularly when gmail does a very decent job for free.

Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government
taking my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist
countries like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans

Careful, or it will be off to the concentration camp for you, boy.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 5, 4:42 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

kreed wrote:
On Mar 5, 5:27 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send
millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or
make senders authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing
and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail
infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany
is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted
and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or
receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address
from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects
will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Full
Story:http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way...

===========================
If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are
talking up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other
countries. I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering
cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

==========================
--
Don McKenzie

Site Map:http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page:http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page:http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam:http://www.dontronics.com/spam

These products will reduce in price by 5% every
month:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.htmlhttp://www.don...

Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail,
I get almost no spam from either of these.

I still get a lot of spam to the yahoo address that I used to use in usenet.

Get much less to the gmail address that I now use after
Horry pointed out how much better it is at spam handling.

Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might be a different story.

It is indeed. I get almost no spam to my other yahoo address,
just the stuff from places I have dealt with using it like godaddy.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government
regulating my email in any way, or charging for sending it.

Me too, particularly when gmail does a very decent job for free.

Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government
taking my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist
countries like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans

Careful, or it will be off to the concentration camp for you, boy.

Its quite possible that that is in our futures, especially in the USA.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
kreed wrote
Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic
to send millions of messages by charging for each one sent,
or make senders authenticate their identity to stop address
spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel
e-mail infrastructure linking electronic authentication with
real-world identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what
Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted
and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or
receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address
from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects
will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they
wish.

Full Story:
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way...

============================

If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are
talking up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to
other countries. I would certainly support it, and want
to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and
resources. I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering
cheaper alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Maybe they haven't heard of yahoo mail or gmail,
I get almost no spam from either of these.

I still get a lot of spam to the yahoo address that I used to use in usenet.

Get much less to the gmail address that I now use after
Horry pointed out how much better it is at spam handling.

Of course, if it was a widely advertised email address, this might
be a different story.

It is indeed. I get almost no spam to my other yahoo address,
just the stuff from places I have dealt with using it like godaddy.

I would rather have the spam, than have any government
regulating my email in any way, or charging for sending it.

Me too, particularly when gmail does a very decent job for free.

Imagine living in Germany and having that deadshit government
taking my tax money and giving it to hopeless deadshit socialist
countries like Greece, etc in un-repayable loans

Careful, or it will be off to the concentration camp for you, boy.

Its quite possible that that is in our futures,

Nope, they've gone out of fashion now.

especially in the USA.

Nope, Obummer isnt even sending anyone else to Gitmo anymore.

He wont even be sending Gadaffi, you watch.

 

[atec77]

On 5/03/2011 8:39 PM, Thomas K wrote:

In aus.computers Don McKenzie<5V@2.5a> wrote:
De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt at
Government snooping on who's communicating with whom (and possibly
even what they're communicating about)?

Ve ar nut tacing ovur de wurld

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[Thomas K]

In aus.computers Don McKenzie <5V@2.5a> wrote:

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt at
Government snooping on who's communicating with whom (and possibly
even what they're communicating about)?

--
thomask@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

 

[kreed]

On Mar 5, 8:39 pm, Thomas K <thom...@iceland.freeshell.org> wrote:

In aus.computers Don McKenzie <5...@2.5a> wrote:

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland (Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a
government-backed service in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be intercepted or
modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their
real-world identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a government-approved service provider. The
service will be enabled by a new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will
allow service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt at
Government snooping on who's communicating with whom (and possibly
even what they're communicating about)?

That was the first thing I thought it was. As people quite rightly
won't stand for internet censorship, or restrictions
the scumbags might try and do it in socially acceptable "pieces", this
being one of them.

The other nasty that keeps popping up in the news is this "cyber
bullying" - IE: another smokescreen to justify curbing
freedom of speech and opinion, and to possibly justify censoring the
net, or restricting access.


Also the laughable de(viate)-mail is a good way to rip more tax money
out of people, (which will just be flushed away by the gov
with little public benefit as always).

--
thom...@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System -http://sdf.lonestar.org

 

[Rod Speed]

Thomas K wrote

Don McKenzie <5V@2.5a> wrote

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a government-backed service
in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so
they cannot be intercepted or modified in transit. Businesses and
individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have
to prove their real-world identity and associate that with a new
De-mail address from a government-approved service provider.
The service will be enabled by a new law that the government
expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will allow
service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

By anyone.

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

They are clearly suggesting that others adopt the same approach.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt
at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom
(and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

Only the mindlessly paranoid.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Thomas K <thom...@iceland.freeshell.org> wrote
Don McKenzie <5...@2.5a> wrote

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a government-backed service
in which all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so
they cannot be intercepted or modified in transit. Businesses and
individuals wanting to send or receive De-mail messages will have
to prove their real-world identity and associate that with a new
De-mail address from a government-approved service provider.
The service will be enabled by a new law that the government
expects will be in force by the end of this month. It will allow
service providers to charge for sending messages if they wish.

Encrypted so that it can't be intercepted by whom...

Spam is a big problem but it isn't so big that it needs a pay-to-send
Government-run scheme to avoid it. Anybody with half a brain will
realise that this isn't going to work since nobody else in the world
uses Deutschland email, so normal email will be required anyway.

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt
at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom
(and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

That was the first thing I thought it was.

Thats coz you are one of the mindless paranoid.

As people quite rightly won't stand for internet censorship,

All of them do with child porn.

or restrictions the scumbags might try and do it in
socially acceptable "pieces", this being one of them.

Nope. Its just a rather stupid approach to reducing spam.

The other nasty that keeps popping up in the news is
this "cyber bullying" - IE: another smokescreen to justify
curbing freedom of speech and opinion, and to possibly
justify censoring the net, or restricting access.

So you are actually claiming that we should be able to advocate murder and assasination too ?

Presumably you actually are that stupid.

Also the laughable de(viate)-mail is a good way to rip more tax money out of people,

Nope, at that charge, they are clearly attempting to get it to pay for itself.

(which will just be flushed away by the gov with little public benefit as always).

Mindlessly superficial.

Without govt spending, you'd have not net at all, stupid. It wouldnt have even been invented.

 

[David Eather]

On 5/03/2011 5:27 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:

Germany identifies a secure way to deal with spam

In theory, stopping spam is easy: just make it uneconomic to send
millions of messages by charging for each one sent, or make senders
authenticate their identity to stop address spoofing and simplify blocking.

In practice, that would involve building a secure, parallel e-mail
infrastructure linking electronic authentication with real-world
identities: a daunting task. Yet that's just what Germany is about to do.

De-mail -- a play on the country-code abbreviation for Deutschland
(Germany) and the word e-mail -- is a government-backed service in which
all messages will be encrypted and digitally signed so they cannot be
intercepted or modified in transit. Businesses and individuals wanting
to send or receive De-mail messages will have to prove their real-world
identity and associate that with a new De-mail address from a
government-approved service provider. The service will be enabled by a
new law that the government expects will be in force by the end of this
month. It will allow service providers to charge for sending messages if
they wish.

Full Story:
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/378788/germany_identifies_secure_way_deal_spam/


============================

If you have a look at the possible cost of each email, they are talking
up to $0.75USD.
If it was a cent or two an email, it may work, and snowball to other
countries. I would certainly support it, and want to be involved.

But at that price, it will never fly. A waste of time and resources.
I can see Germans being forced into using it.
Then start up email services all over the world will be offering cheaper
alternatives. Can you imagine it?

Cheers Don...

===========================

Google "Hash cash" - a bad name for a workable concept.

Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by zombies.

 

[N]

On 6/03/2011, David Eather wrote:

Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by zombies.

Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP
addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has
bolted. If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and
maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is
charged separately for mobiles.

 

[David Eather]

On 6/03/2011 7:53 AM, N wrote:

On 6/03/2011, David Eather wrote:


Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by
zombies.

Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP
addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has
bolted. If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and
maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is
charged separately for mobiles.

I was saying that the owner of the zombie did not intend to send the
spam - in all cases other than gross negligence it would be unfair to
charge them for the spam (how many people have never had a computer
virus?)

 

[N]

On 6/03/2011, David Eather wrote:

On 6/03/2011 7:53 AM, N wrote:
On 6/03/2011, David Eather wrote:


Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by
zombies.

Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP
addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has
bolted. If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and
maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is
charged separately for mobiles.



I was saying that the owner of the zombie did not intend to send the spam -
in all cases other than gross negligence it would be unfair to charge them
for the spam (how many people have never had a computer virus?)

That's no excuse. Look at the people being hit with mobile phone bills
and ISP bills when they go over their limits.

 

[Thomas K]

In aus.computers N <N@home.local> wrote:

On 6/03/2011, David Eather wrote:
Charging for each e-mail doesn't work because most spam is sent by zombies.

Using port 25. All data connections to SMTP servers come from IP
addresses and can tracked.

The problem is that it's like shutting the gate after the horse has
bolted. If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email and
maybe lower general fees, it would have been accepted just like SMS is
charged separately for mobiles.

If the ISPs had started out with a small cost per email, a new
protocol would have been invented which you don't have to pay for.

--
thomask@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

 

[Thomas K]

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

Thomas K wrote
Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt
at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom
(and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

Only the mindlessly paranoid.

Why? Because governments don't do that sort of thing?

http://www.techeye.net/mobile/rim-buckles-on-indias-blackberry-encryption-pressure

The ministry's reasoning for snooping was, as usual, potential
terrorist threats. A terrorist could use BlackBerry email and
messaging services to coordinate and plot attacks as
information exchanged on these channels couldn't be monitored
at the time.

After reinstating services the government ordered RIM to come
up with something that would give intelligence agencies
complete access to all services offered on its handsets by
October. This would include RIM being forced to hand over the
encryption keys and codes of its corporate mail and messaging
services. The extension to January 2011 was given after RIM
pushed for a timeframe of 23 weeks in August, while it worked
out how to cooperate without breaching data protection laws.


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[Rod Speed]

Thomas K wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Thomas K wrote

Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt
at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom
(and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

Only the mindlessly paranoid.

Why?

Because its only the mindlessly paranoid that 'think' like that.

Because governments don't do that sort of thing?

Not like that they dont, because they dont need to do it like that.

You dont SERIOUSLY believe that no govt is doing anything
about checking for terrorists communicating right now do you ?

They dont need that sort of hare brained scheme to snoop as much as they like.

http://www.techeye.net/mobile/rim-buckles-on-indias-blackberry-encryption-pressure

Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves nothing.

The ministry's reasoning for snooping was, as usual, potential
terrorist threats. A terrorist could use BlackBerry email and
messaging services to coordinate and plot attacks as information
exchanged on these channels couldn't be monitored at the time.

After reinstating services the government ordered RIM to
come up with something that would give intelligence agencies
complete access to all services offered on its handsets by
October. This would include RIM being forced to hand over the
encryption keys and codes of its corporate mail and messaging
services. The extension to January 2011 was given after RIM
pushed for a timeframe of 23 weeks in August, while it worked
out how to cooperate without breaching data protection laws.

Just because those fools couldnt work out how to snoop at the time proves nothing.

 

[kreed]

On Mar 6, 9:13 am, Thomas K <thom...@iceland.freeshell.org> wrote:

In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Thomas K wrote
Does anybody else think that this is a poorly concealed attempt
at Government snooping on who's communicating with whom
(and possibly even what they're communicating about)?

Only the mindlessly paranoid.

Why? Because governments don't do that sort of thing?

http://www.techeye.net/mobile/rim-buckles-on-indias-blackberry-encryp...

        The ministry's reasoning for snooping was, as usual, potential
        terrorist threats. A terrorist could use BlackBerry email and
        messaging services to coordinate and plot attacks as
        information exchanged on these channels couldn't be monitored
        at the time.

        After reinstating services the government ordered RIM to come
        up with something that would give intelligence agencies
        complete access to all services offered on its handsets by
        October. This would include RIM being forced to hand over the
        encryption keys and codes of its corporate mail and messaging
        services. The extension to January 2011 was given after RIM
        pushed for a timeframe of 23 weeks in August, while it worked
        out how to cooperate without breaching data protection laws.

Terrorist threats that are largely staged by governments (or allowed
to happen) in order
to justify this sort or rubbish for other reasons, such as stripping
away people's rights.

Both parties do it. Look at Obama, except for a crock of left wing
bullshit thrown in it is just GWB's 3rd term in office.

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