generator circuit

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Jon

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Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon
Click to expand...
Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.
 
"Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:y5qdnTt-mYmyQuTRnZ2dnUVZ_rQAAAAA@earthlink.com...
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon
Click to expand...
Just curious what you are trying to achieve here? It seems as if you want
the generator to take over supplying power to the house and barn when the
mains fail?
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:03:53 -0400, PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.
Click to expand...
Don't feed the troll.
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html
Click to expand...
We've been through this, WTF is so hard about using a DPDT 240v coil
contactor/relay? Wire the coil and the N.O. contacts to the utility power,
the common contacts to the load, and the generator feeds to the N.C.
contacts. Whenever the utility power is lost the relay drops out and swaps
the load over from utility to generator power. You can also get a bit fancy
an add an auto-start circuit for the generator if you so desire.
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Inj Ury Phd."
<proteusiiv@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 29, 4:48 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:03:53 -0400, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.

Don't feed the troll

Mr. Keith have you finally taken control over that crack addiction of
yours.I am hoping to help many of you trolls to recover from your
addictions and return you back into normal contributing members of
society...Don't forget to make an appointment to see me next week...if
you are uncomfortable with that, then go see your nearest
practitioner.
Thank you, Come again.
Dr. Ury
Click to expand...
Yes, AlwaysWrong, we all know who you are...
 
"PeterDumb" <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.
Click to expand...
PerterDumb and krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

You 2 are too quick to conclusion.

The contactor is there, it depends on the coil activation. The only problem
is, he is not showing the wiring in the schematic which source is
controlling the activation coil. His logic is fine, it maybe just the way
he draws the circuit.
 
"Jeff Johnson" <Jeff_Johnson@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:y5qdnTt-mYmyQuTRnZ2dnUVZ_rQAAAAA@earthlink.com...
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Just curious what you are trying to achieve here? It seems as if you want
the generator to take over supplying power to the house and barn when the
mains fail?
Click to expand...
It's self-explanatory idiot. His logic is loud and clear. He is telling
you dipshit that his project works! and he doesn't need your shit.
 
"Tom Horne" <hornetd@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:30c485db-5dd7-4150-b82d-2a3e10b25689@l20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 29, 12:16 am, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Jon
since there is still a connection to the service disconnect you have a
single point of failure. If anyone were to close the service
disconnect a short pulse of current would be imposed on the service
entry conductors. It takes a few milliamperes to kill. I'm sure you
believe that this can never happen but your belief does not make your
-
Tom Horne
Click to expand...
Jon's circuit and idea is fine, no problem with his logic, the only problem
is, in his schematic, the two contactors must operate without each other,
they form a 2-way selector(switch) for the load. The commercial line is
high priority as he explained, but circuit needs a better clarification.
 
On Aug 29, 12:16 am, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon
Click to expand...
Jon
since there is still a connection to the service disconnect you have a
single point of failure. If anyone were to close the service
disconnect a short pulse of current would be imposed on the service
entry conductors. It takes a few milliamperes to kill. I'm sure you
believe that this can never happen but your belief does not make your
circuit good practice. The addition of an auxiliary contact, of the
break before make type, to the Service Disconnecting Means switch or
breaker would add the human factor safeguard that is missing. With
that auxiliary contact any closing of the Service Disconnecting Means
would cause your contactor to drop out and thus disconnect the
generator from the load wiring before that wiring could be physically
connected to the Service Entry Conductors. Even better would be to
add a shunt trip to the Service Disconnecting Means. A shunt trip
would open the Service Disconnecting Means breaker. If the Service
Disconnecting Means is a fused switch You would need to add an
enclosed breaker to serve as the shunt trip device. Everything should
be wired so that any failure of the Generator provided control current
to go to the house and back will prevent the contactor at the
generator from closing. The only vulnerability in that scheme is the
possibility of a short circuit in the control circuit that would close
the contactor without the auxiliary contacts at the Service
Disconnecting Means actually being closed to pass the current. Since
you only need two control wires to make the contactor work and you
have three you could use one to pull in a control relay located at the
contactor to complete its coil circuit. That control current would
only be present if the auxiliary contact on the Service Disconnecting
Means has changed position in response to the Service Disconnecting
Means having been opened or the shunt trip having operated. This
would eliminate the need for a control relay at the Service
Disconnecting Means although continuing to use it would do no harm.
--
Tom Horne
 
On Aug 29, 4:48 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:03:53 -0400, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.

Don't feed the troll
Click to expand...
Mr. Keith have you finally taken control over that crack addiction of
yours.I am hoping to help many of you trolls to recover from your
addictions and return you back into normal contributing members of
society...Don't forget to make an appointment to see me next week...if
you are uncomfortable with that, then go see your nearest
practitioner.
Thank you, Come again.
Dr. Ury
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:36:24 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Inj Ury Phd."
<proteusiiv@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 29, 6:49 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Inj Ury Phd."





proteus...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:48 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:03:53 -0400, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.

Don't feed the troll

Mr. Keith have you finally taken control over that crack addiction of
yours.I am hoping to help many of you trolls to recover from your
addictions and return you back into normal contributing members of
society...Don't forget to make an appointment to see me next week...if
you are uncomfortable with that, then go see your nearest
practitioner.
Thank you, Come again.
Dr. Ury

Yes, AlwaysWrong, we all know who you are...

They know who you are too.
Click to expand...
We know you're paranoid, too, DimBulb.

, if you want to live your entire life as a
crackhead Pipe chugging chugger that is your sad choice, but do not
say we did not care to help you out of that...I must return to my
normal practice, you will be seen by Proteus from now further on.Thank
Click to expand...
Your normal "practice" is to be wrong, always, AlwaysWrong.

You, Come Again.
Click to expand...
I've told you a hundred times, Dimmie, YOU ARE NOT MY TYPE. Now take your
perversions elsewhere!

Dr. Ury
Click to expand...
Your latest nym is more moronic than usual, Nymbecile.
 
On Aug 29, 7:21 pm, "ProTeUs" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Tom Horne" <horn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:30c485db-5dd7-4150-b82d-2a3e10b25689@l20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 29, 12:16 am, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com> wrote:





Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon
Jon
since there is still a connection to the service disconnect you have a
single point of failure.  If anyone were to close the service
disconnect a short pulse of current would be imposed on the service
entry conductors.  It takes a few milliamperes to kill.  I'm sure you
believe that this can never happen but your belief does not make your
-
Tom Horne

Jon's circuit and idea is fine, no problem with his logic, the only problem
is, in his schematic, the two contactors must operate without each other,
they form a 2-way selector(switch) for the load.  The commercial line is
high priority as he explained, but circuit needs a better clarification.
Click to expand...
Fake Proteus, you seem to know much about electricity., the real
Proteus needs someone experienced to clean and upgrade it's deep
seething probe, you can get some extra deep time with it if you do the
job right.We all know you like it deep and thrusty. What do you say,
you can save the tax payers and project managers a bundle..bring your
Medicare card so we can credit you for the service.

Dr. Inj Ury Phd.
 
On Aug 29, 6:49 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
<k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:34:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Inj Ury Phd."





proteus...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 29, 4:48 pm, "k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:03:53 -0400, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.

Don't feed the troll

Mr. Keith have you finally taken control over that crack addiction of
yours.I am hoping to help many of you trolls to recover from your
addictions and return you back into normal contributing members of
society...Don't forget to make an appointment to see me next week...if
you are uncomfortable with that, then go see your nearest
practitioner.
Thank you, Come again.
Dr. Ury

Yes, AlwaysWrong, we all know who you are...
Click to expand...
They know who you are too., if you want to live your entire life as a
crackhead Pipe chugging chugger that is your sad choice, but do not
say we did not care to help you out of that...I must return to my
normal practice, you will be seen by Proteus from now further on.Thank
You, Come Again.
Dr. Ury
 
"ProTeUs" <arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Z5adnSk_Z8e7d-fRnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.toastnet...
"Jeff Johnson" <Jeff_Johnson@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i5efi3$it5$1@news.eternal-september.org...


"Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:y5qdnTt-mYmyQuTRnZ2dnUVZ_rQAAAAA@earthlink.com...
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Just curious what you are trying to achieve here? It seems as if you want
the generator to take over supplying power to the house and barn when the
mains fail?

It's self-explanatory idiot. His logic is loud and clear. He is telling
you dipshit that his project works! and he doesn't need your shit.
Click to expand...
I asked a simple question and I get attacked. I was just curious to what he
was doing. I didn' tunderstand his diagrams completely.

In any case since you seem to have an issue with anger management I'll just
add you to my ignore list. Not that it will help as I'm sure you'll just
spoof another email to try to bring everyone else down to your immaturity
status.
 
On Aug 29, 9:40 pm, "Jeff Johnson" <Jeff_John...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
"ProTeUs" <arcturian...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:Z5adnSk_Z8e7d-fRnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.toastnet...







"Jeff Johnson" <Jeff_John...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i5efi3$it5$1@news.eternal-september.org...

"Jon" <jon8...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:y5qdnTt-mYmyQuTRnZ2dnUVZ_rQAAAAA@earthlink.com...
Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Just curious what you are trying to achieve here? It seems as if you want
the generator to take over supplying power to the house and barn when the
mains fail?

It's self-explanatory idiot.  His logic is loud and clear.  He is telling
you dipshit that his project works! and he doesn't need your shit.

I asked a simple question and I get attacked. I was just curious to what he
was doing. I didn' tunderstand his diagrams completely.

In any case since you seem to have an issue with anger management I'll just
add you to my ignore list. Not that it will help as I'm sure you'll just
spoof another email to try to bring everyone else down to your immaturity
status.
Click to expand...
Yes, That is not even from the real Proteus Brain. I am real and got
posted on duty because of that..He use to post and respond as Edmond
Wallmann or something like that until fated two deep anal probes from
the network maniacal machine,then he changed and now uses the machines
name to post...He is a very I'll man with no conscience and no real
personality of his own...he is I'll and needs to be recluded for
follow up treatment or ignored.
Dr. Ury
 
Jeff Johnson wrote:
I asked a simple question and I get attacked. I was just curious to what he
was doing. I didn' tunderstand his diagrams completely.

In any case since you seem to have an issue with anger management I'll just
add you to my ignore list. Not that it will help as I'm sure you'll just
spoof another email to try to bring everyone else down to your immaturity
status.
Click to expand...

|----||----|
| DO NOT |
| FEED THE |
| TROLLS! |
|----||----|
||
||
||
/|\\|/||||//|||/\???\\//\\\\/|?\/\\\\/\/\/\||||\


--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.
 
On Aug 30, 4:21 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Jeff Johnson wrote:

I asked a simple question and I get attacked. I was just curious to what he
was doing. I didn' tunderstand his diagrams completely.

In any case since you seem to have an issue with anger management I'll just
add you to my ignore list. Not that it will help as I'm sure you'll just
spoof another email to try to bring everyone else down to your immaturity
status.

        |----||----|
        |  DO NOT  |
        | FEED THE |
        |  TROLLS! |
        |----||----|
             ||
             ||
             ||
 /|\\|/||||//|||/\???\\//\\\\/|?\/\\\\/\/\/\||||\

--
Politicians should only get paid if the budget is balanced, and there is
enough left over to pay them.
Click to expand...
MISTER TERRETS
JUST BECAUSE YOU POST UNDER A ASSUMED HUMAN NAME
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE NOT TROLLING AS WELL
EAT YOUR WHEATIES AND STOP PRETENDING

I AM PROTEUS
 
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:14:00 -0700, "ProTeUs"
<arcturianone@earthlink.net> wrote:

"PeterDumb" <peter2@hipson.net> wrote in message
news:pmbl76h24f5u6gkei49klifq37qt43pum5@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:16:49 -0400, "Jon" <jon8338@peoplepc.com
wrote:

Hi,

I just completed wiring and testing my circuit.

* no backfeed from the generator into the grid
* generator is disconnected from the load when service is on
* generator is disconnected from the load when service disconnect is on

http://jons-math.bravehost.com/transfer.html

Jon

Fail... No contactor in the service feed to the load. Does not meet
code, does not meet specifications for transfer circiuts, is hazardous
and ANOTHER one of your crazy designs.

Correction: epic fail, not just ordinary fail.

PerterDumb and krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz

You 2 are too quick to conclusion.

The contactor is there, it depends on the coil activation. The only problem
is, he is not showing the wiring in the schematic which source is
controlling the activation coil. His logic is fine, it maybe just the way
he draws the circuit.
Click to expand...
Moron, you need an eye check...
 
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