Gas Cooker Power Output

On Sat, 4 Aug 2012 19:47:18 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
<sound.service@btconnect.com> wrote:

So if a cooker had Propane jets and was run on Natural Gas, would it run
cooler or hotter?

(I'm running on Natural Gas)


Cheers,


Gareth.


Ah, think I can answer my own question.
The jet fitted to the 100mm burner is stamped 115. The spare jet provided
with the cooker for use with Propane is 085.
Propane requires a smaller jet.

The other burners have similar outcomes. So it looks like the cooker is not
incorrectly fitted with jets for use with Propane.
I haven't checked the oven one as that would entail removing the burner
cover that has been tampered with, thus destroying the evidence that I have
been supplied with a "customer return".



Gareth.


If you used a propane orifice with natural gas the thermal output

would be less. The fact that you were sold a returned unit indicates
that a previous customer had a problem and sent it back. Now it's
your turn, and I suggest you complain loudly about unscrupulous
businesses that knowingly sell defective merchandise.

PlainBill

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gareth Magennis wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell wrote:

What does the manual say is the correct orfice?

There is no technical information in the user manual, nor any information on
the manufacturers website.
http://www.vha.uk.com/cgi-bin/view_product.cgi?id=4

Then I wouldn't buy any crap from that OEM.

In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do so.
http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%20a%20gas%20appliance.pdf

Typical of the nanny state, that you can't even verify the right
components were used to put it together.

 

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Gareth Magennis wrote:

Ah, think I can answer my own question.
The jet fitted to the 100mm burner is stamped 115.  The spare jet
provided
with the cooker for use with Propane is 085.
Propane requires a smaller jet.

The other burners have similar outcomes.  So it looks like the cooker is
not
incorrectly fitted with jets for use with Propane.
I haven't checked the oven one as that would entail removing the burner
cover that has been tampered with, thus destroying the evidence that I
have
been supplied with a "customer return".

  What does the manual say is the correct orfice?

There is no technical information in the user manual, nor any information on
the manufacturers website.http://www.vha.uk.com/cgi-bin/view_product.cgi?id=4

When I googled this model number, a lot of what we would call
"closeout" or "floor models" show up. Was this sold at a clearance
price? Floor models may have been jostled, and perhaps damaged.

Is it usual for a gas cooker not to have a back? I always worry about
the chance of spills falling down the back. I've seen stoves on the
Continent with hinged lids, that act as a back splash during cooking.

In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%...

At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

 

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:20:45 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
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On Aug 6, 8:22 am, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 5, 4:30 am, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com
wrote:

<SNIP>

Poking around a little more: Funny that the makers of freestanding
hobs specify the power output of their burners, even boasting of their
high power wok burners.

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/se60sgh3/smeg-se60sgh3-4-burner-gas-hob

I can't believe that brits are drawn to a brand called "Smeg" however.
Why not? After all, many American parents have named their son John -

which IS a slang term for a toilet.

PlainBill

 

[William Sommerwerck]

I can't believe that Brits are drawn to a brand
called "Smeg", however.

It's an initialization of "Smalterie Metallurgiche Emiliane Guastalla".

There used to be ads showing a boy delighted at the delivery of a Wurlitzer
musical instrument: "Gee, dad, it's a Wurlizter!".

I can imagine a comparable ad with a girl enthusing about the new kitchen
appliance: "Wow! It's a Smeg, ma!".

 

[Gareth Magennis]

In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do
so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%...


At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

Here's what can happen if you don't do it properly and nobody has checked
your work:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shaw-oldham-gas-explosion-gas-944859



The shop sent a fitter today to inspect the cooker - he didn't at first
believe what I was trying to tell him, and was trying to tell me how to
operate a gas oven, but got it in the end.

He had no test equipment with him, but did manage to blow a load of crud
out of the flexible supply tube into his eye.
This made no difference to the performance of the oven, or his eye,
thankfully, and he eventually agreed the appliance is faulty, and I shall be
getting another one.

So, none the wiser, really, as on questioning I soon realised he wasn't
going to be able to diagnose any further than "it's broke, mate".



Gareth.

 

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On Aug 5, 4:30 am, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com
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Gareth Magennis wrote:

Ah, think I can answer my own question.
The jet fitted to the 100mm burner is stamped 115.  The spare jet
provided
with the cooker for use with Propane is 085.
Propane requires a smaller jet.

The other burners have similar outcomes.  So it looks like the cooker is
not
incorrectly fitted with jets for use with Propane.
I haven't checked the oven one as that would entail removing the burner
cover that has been tampered with, thus destroying the evidence that I
have
been supplied with a "customer return".

  What does the manual say is the correct orfice?

There is no technical information in the user manual, nor any information on
the manufacturers website.http://www.vha.uk.com/cgi-bin/view_product.cgi?id=4

When I googled this model number, a lot of what we would call
"closeout" or "floor models" show up. Was this sold at a clearance
price? Floor models may have been jostled, and perhaps damaged.

Is it usual for a gas cooker not to have a back? I always worry about
the chance of spills falling down the back. I've seen stoves on the
Continent with hinged lids, that act as a back splash during cooking.



In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%...

At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

Poking around a little more: Funny that the makers of freestanding
hobs specify the power output of their burners, even boasting of their
high power wok burners.

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/se60sgh3/smeg-se60sgh3-4-burner-gas-hob

I can't believe that brits are drawn to a brand called "Smeg" however.

 

[spamtrap1888]

On Aug 6, 11:33 am, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com>
wrote:

In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do
so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%...

At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

Here's what can happen if you don't do it properly and nobody has checked
your work:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shaw-oldham-gas-explosion-gas-94...

Good point, but I have a couple of reservations:

Service and repair requires a much higher skill level than merely
hooking something up.

The story includes far too much of the neighbor's rocky relationship
with his girlfriend, including jail time, for the boiler repair to be
completely unrelated.

The shop sent a fitter today to inspect the cooker - he didn't at first
believe what I was trying to tell him, and was trying to tell me how to
operate a gas oven, but got it in the end.

He had no test equipment with him,  but did manage to blow a load of crud
out of the flexible supply tube into his eye.

Sediment in natural gas is not uncommon in the US. Appliances should
contain a debris trap for the sediment to fall into. Failing that, the
pipe installer should add one in front of the valve.

This made no difference to the performance of the oven, or his eye,
thankfully, and he eventually agreed the appliance is faulty, and I shall be
getting another one.

Good. I hate to pay good money for something that doesn't work 100%.

So, none the wiser, really, as on questioning I soon realised he wasn't
going to be able to diagnose any further than "it's broke, mate".

Is he one of those elite "Gas Safe" fitters?

 

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Gareth Magennis wrote:

Ah, think I can answer my own question.
The jet fitted to the 100mm burner is stamped 115. The spare jet
provided
with the cooker for use with Propane is 085.
Propane requires a smaller jet.

The other burners have similar outcomes. So it looks like the
cooker is
not
incorrectly fitted with jets for use with Propane.
I haven't checked the oven one as that would entail removing the
burner
cover that has been tampered with, thus destroying the evidence that
I
have
been supplied with a "customer return".

What does the manual say is the correct orfice?

There is no technical information in the user manual, nor any
information on
the manufacturers
website.http://www.vha.uk.com/cgi-bin/view_product.cgi?id=4

When I googled this model number, a lot of what we would call
"closeout" or "floor models" show up. Was this sold at a clearance
price? Floor models may have been jostled, and perhaps damaged.

Is it usual for a gas cooker not to have a back? I always worry about
the chance of spills falling down the back. I've seen stoves on the
Continent with hinged lids, that act as a back splash during cooking.



In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do
so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%...

At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

Poking around a little more: Funny that the makers of freestanding
hobs specify the power output of their burners, even boasting of their
high power wok burners.

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/se60sgh3/smeg-se60sgh3-4-burner-gas-hob

I can't believe that brits are drawn to a brand called "Smeg" however.

I can. We had a car model which translates into 'wanker'

For some odd reason it didn't sell too well in areas where that language is
the norm.

 

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On Aug 5, 4:30 am, "Gareth Magennis" <sound.serv...@btconnect.com
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snip

In the UK it is illegal to tamper with gas appliances unless you are
qualified to do so.http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/pdf/Who%20can%20legally%20work%20on%....


Do you think there might be a reason for that?

At least on my old gas stove, I can replace burners and the ducts
leading from the control knobs to the burners. Hooking up appliances
to existing gas valves is well within every homeowner's skill set,
although the utility would like to check your work.

Not any more. That is why the regulations changed. Too damn few can be
trusted to plug in an electrical appliance successfully any more.

?-/