Fusion, Maybe...

[whit3rd]

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:44:09 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:35:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6:07:33 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

If you are determined to snip the facts and cringe...

No, not cringing; crusading, rather, for a better future. You, apparently, think the
future is only better if it\'s a scaled-up version of today.

More food and more electricity sounds good to me.

Yeah, it sounds good. It\'s a shallow view of course, because it comes from John Larkin.
Blinders OFF, and that\'s not what you see.

In other words, a scaled-up version of today. Note, however, that the \'more food\'
presumes more people who eat the food, and drink water, yet have low population density
(or very good sewage treatment). More is NOT better if the river runs dry, the
fields revert to desert, the hospitals cannot cope and illness sweeps through the
population. Sewage treatment, and electricity: a dry river hurts both.

Texas has currently 13 million cattle.
That\'s less than in 1975 (16 million), but for now, there\'s enough water and grass for that many.
In 1975, US population was 215 million, now it\'s 332 million. So, where\'s your \'more food\'
story that covers this? Beef per person has gone down near a factor of two. Price is up,
though.

Alas, the arable land area is NOT going to scale up. Neither is the available radiative cooling
capacity of this globe.

If technology and more CO2 increases crop yield per acre by a factor
of 10 ....

Huh? What disciple of Nostradamus told you that was going to happen?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:56:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<ab91f577-c16a-4314-a21a-119729999065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:43:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Cold kills about 10x as many people as heat.

False argument.
My humble apologies. I got the number wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Yep, they got the number wrong, too. Fire, flood, and crop failures are all to be expected
in a warming earth, and only the immediate-ambient-temperature effects are in that assessment.
There wouldn\'t be a Paris Accord if we were blind outside that one spot.

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

CO2 levels have been much higher and are cyclic with warm and cold periods (ice ages if you will).

Human beans better have nuclear power plants to run their aircos and heaters else population will
go dinos way in large areas.
The last 2 Adam and Eva humming beans on earth will have to know all about how to run that stuff.

Just a matter of time

Elon\'s kids will watch it all from some far away planet.

rt.com RT (Russia Today) is blocked in the Netherlands, good I have a sat dish, maybe EU will
kill that channel too like they did their German speaking channel.


>Remove blinders and take in more information.

We are depending on all that \'tronics, does not take much to become blind and only hear for
example biden\'s vacuum brain echos.

I like it if it gets warmer, was freezing here tonight.
Higher temperatures and close to the sea here can create good tourist places.
Some orange trees and coconut trees would be nice.

 

[server]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 23:23:12 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:44:09 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:35:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6:07:33 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

If you are determined to snip the facts and cringe...

No, not cringing; crusading, rather, for a better future. You, apparently, think the
future is only better if it\'s a scaled-up version of today.

More food and more electricity sounds good to me.

Yeah, it sounds good. It\'s a shallow view of course, because it comes from John Larkin.

I can say something that is arguably, or absolutely, true, and a gang
of idiots here will instantly refute it without stopping to google or
think. That\'s kind of fun.

Blinders OFF, and that\'s not what you see.

In other words, a scaled-up version of today. Note, however, that the \'more food\'
presumes more people who eat the food, and drink water, yet have low population density
(or very good sewage treatment). More is NOT better if the river runs dry, the
fields revert to desert, the hospitals cannot cope and illness sweeps through the
population. Sewage treatment, and electricity: a dry river hurts both.

Texas has currently 13 million cattle.
That\'s less than in 1975 (16 million), but for now, there\'s enough water and grass for that many.
In 1975, US population was 215 million, now it\'s 332 million. So, where\'s your \'more food\'
story that covers this? Beef per person has gone down near a factor of two. Price is up,
though.

Alas, the arable land area is NOT going to scale up. Neither is the available radiative cooling
capacity of this globe.

If technology and more CO2 increases crop yield per acre by a factor
of 10 ....

Huh? What disciple of Nostradamus told you that was going to happen?

I post links to solid sources, you snip them.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:11:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:56:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
ab91f577-c16a-4314-a21a-119729999065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:43:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Cold kills about 10x as many people as heat.

False argument.
My humble apologies. I got the number wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Yep, they got the number wrong, too. Fire, flood, and crop failures are all to be expected
in a warming earth, and only the immediate-ambient-temperature effects are in that assessment.
There wouldn\'t be a Paris Accord if we were blind outside that one spot.

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Doom sells. And keeps selling. \"Ignore all our failed predictions. We
have bigger computers now.\"

CO2 levels have been much higher and are cyclic with warm and cold periods (ice ages if you will).

Human beans better have nuclear power plants to run their aircos and heaters else population will
go dinos way in large areas.
The last 2 Adam and Eva humming beans on earth will have to know all about how to run that stuff.

Just a matter of time

Elon\'s kids will watch it all from some far away planet.

rt.com RT (Russia Today) is blocked in the Netherlands, good I have a sat dish, maybe EU will
kill that channel too like they did their German speaking channel.

The Netherlands blocks web sites? Who decides?

Remove blinders and take in more information.

We are depending on all that \'tronics, does not take much to become blind and only hear for
example biden\'s vacuum brain echos.

I like it if it gets warmer, was freezing here tonight.
Higher temperatures and close to the sea here can create good tourist places.
Some orange trees and coconut trees would be nice.

Maybe there is a reason that people build glass greenhouses and pump
them up to 1000 PPM or so CO2.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 9:51:20 AM UTC-5, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 23:23:12 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 7:44:09 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:35:05 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6:07:33 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

If you are determined to snip the facts and cringe...

No, not cringing; crusading, rather, for a better future. You, apparently, think the
future is only better if it\'s a scaled-up version of today.

More food and more electricity sounds good to me.

Yeah, it sounds good. It\'s a shallow view of course, because it comes from John Larkin.
I can say something that is arguably, or absolutely, true, and a gang
of idiots here will instantly refute it without stopping to google or
think. That\'s kind of fun.

So posting to create a response, not thinking, but purely emotional response. That is the very definition of a troll. Nice to see Larkin admit it. Many of us have been pointing it out for some time now.

Blinders OFF, and that\'s not what you see.

In other words, a scaled-up version of today. Note, however, that the \'more food\'
presumes more people who eat the food, and drink water, yet have low population density
(or very good sewage treatment). More is NOT better if the river runs dry, the
fields revert to desert, the hospitals cannot cope and illness sweeps through the
population. Sewage treatment, and electricity: a dry river hurts both.

Texas has currently 13 million cattle.
That\'s less than in 1975 (16 million), but for now, there\'s enough water and grass for that many.
In 1975, US population was 215 million, now it\'s 332 million. So, where\'s your \'more food\'
story that covers this? Beef per person has gone down near a factor of two. Price is up,
though.

Alas, the arable land area is NOT going to scale up. Neither is the available radiative cooling
capacity of this globe.

If technology and more CO2 increases crop yield per acre by a factor
of 10 ....

Huh? What disciple of Nostradamus told you that was going to happen?
I post links to solid sources, you snip them.

LOL

--

Rick C.

--++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:57:40 -0800, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:11:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:56:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
ab91f577-c16a-4314-a21a-119729999065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:43:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Cold kills about 10x as many people as heat.

False argument.
My humble apologies. I got the number wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Yep, they got the number wrong, too. Fire, flood, and crop failures are all to be expected
in a warming earth, and only the immediate-ambient-temperature effects are in that assessment.
There wouldn\'t be a Paris Accord if we were blind outside that one spot.

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Doom sells. And keeps selling. \"Ignore all our failed predictions. We
have bigger computers now.\"


CO2 levels have been much higher and are cyclic with warm and cold periods (ice ages if you will).

Human beans better have nuclear power plants to run their aircos and heaters else population will
go dinos way in large areas.
The last 2 Adam and Eva humming beans on earth will have to know all about how to run that stuff.

Just a matter of time

Elon\'s kids will watch it all from some far away planet.

rt.com RT (Russia Today) is blocked in the Netherlands, good I have a sat dish, maybe EU will
kill that channel too like they did their German speaking channel.

The Netherlands blocks web sites? Who decides?



Remove blinders and take in more information.

We are depending on all that \'tronics, does not take much to become blind and only hear for
example biden\'s vacuum brain echos.

I like it if it gets warmer, was freezing here tonight.
Higher temperatures and close to the sea here can create good tourist places.
Some orange trees and coconut trees would be nice.

Maybe there is a reason that people build glass greenhouses and pump
them up to 1000 PPM or so CO2.

It is ironic that the dreaded \"greenhouse effect\" is named after,
well, greenhouses. Places where plants flourish.

Truckee hit -2F this morning. Too cold to ski in jeans.

There was an official -11F this week, but the weather station is out
in the open at the airport, exposed to the sky and in a local frigid
microclimate.



--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Rick C]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:09:41 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

It is ironic that the dreaded \"greenhouse effect\" is named after,
well, greenhouses. Places where plants flourish.

Truckee hit -2F this morning. Too cold to ski in jeans.

There was an official -11F this week, but the weather station is out
in the open at the airport, exposed to the sky and in a local frigid
microclimate.

I wonder if there is a name for the condition where someone has above average intelligence in one area, but is severely deficient in other areas? Oh, yeah, idiot savant.

I especially like the fact that Larkin refuses to believe the evidence regarding AGW in part because the predictions are made using computer simulations. Then he presents a NASA study to support his notion that all is well with rising CO2 because it also has a positive effect on plant growth... a study based on computer simulations.

Yeah, well, the \"idiot\" part of the term certainly applies.

--

Rick C.

-+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Robert Latest]

Rick C wrote:

I especially like the fact that Larkin refuses to believe the evidence
regarding AGW in part because the predictions are made using computer
simulations. Then he presents a NASA study to support his notion that all is
well with rising CO2 because it also has a positive effect on plant growth...
a study based on computer simulations.

After humanity has kicked Earth\'s climate into some wild oscillations I\'m sure
it will again settle into some metastable condition that is well suited for
certain species (like the past 12k years were for humans). Question is, what
will human civilization (the only thing interesting in this context) look like
during and after that rollercoaster ride. It\'s out of the question that the
ride will happen --it is happening--, but I don\'t see us taking any action
trying to make it less wild.

 

[John Larkin]

On 26 Feb 2022 18:56:00 GMT, Robert Latest <boblatest@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Rick C wrote:
I especially like the fact that Larkin refuses to believe the evidence
regarding AGW in part because the predictions are made using computer
simulations. Then he presents a NASA study to support his notion that all is
well with rising CO2 because it also has a positive effect on plant growth...
a study based on computer simulations.

After humanity has kicked Earth\'s climate into some wild oscillations I\'m sure
it will again settle into some metastable condition that is well suited for
certain species (like the past 12k years were for humans).

When has earth\'s climate ever settled?

Question is, what

will human civilization (the only thing interesting in this context) look like
during and after that rollercoaster ride. It\'s out of the question that the
ride will happen --it is happening--, but I don\'t see us taking any action
trying to make it less wild.

Looks nice outside to me.

The next ice age will be very bad news. We can probably mitigate that.
CO2 wouldn\'t be enough, but it might be part of the plan.



--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Huh? It\'s about a problem that requires large-scale solution, why would you
want the \'masses\'\' uninformed?

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 11:08:48 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:


> When has earth\'s climate ever settled?

On the one-century time scale, almost always.
On the one-month time scale, possibly never.
On the one-millenium time scale, sometimes no.

That\'s not an interesting question.

> The next ice age will be very bad news. We can probably mitigate that.

That\'s a milleniums-scale speculation; no one alive today has any oar in
the water on that issue; we won\'t interact with that problem during our lifetimes.
It\'s a modern variant on the angels-dancing-on-a-pinhead \"issue\".

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:21:04 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

Very wrong. Their \"computer simulation\" didn\'t account for progress.
They didn\'t even get the sign right.

\"the Club of Rome was doing amateur dynamics without a license,
without a proper qualification. And they were doing it badly, so I got
steamed up about that\"

China is facing an aging population and 1.7 births per woman. Their
immediate problem isn\'t too much reproduction, it\'s too little.





--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:21:04 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
<whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
<cb305708-5dd6-46b2-a3e7-9450be5aa670n@googlegroups.com>:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Huh? It\'s about a problem that requires large-scale solution, why would you
want the \'masses\'\' uninformed?

Yes, climate will change, a glacial period will be followed by a warm period over and over again.
Our CO2 reduction does not change that.
We need to have the knowledge and pass on the knowledge how to create
the energy we need to keep living, to the next generation.
This did not happen, most are green-minded and destroy old technologies and know nothing
about how to build anything.

As to the masses and \'informed\'
it has always? been like it is today, some leader or bunch of guys controlling a puppet convince the masses
of some idea, right or wrong, the masses move like lemmings..
Vietnam war
you are drafted, you shall fight, else punishment, chance you die 50%.
US used Agent orange, US used depleted uranium ammo in Iraq... US designed covid
and killed millions, US designed covid medicines that killed millions because of side effects
profit industry make war in Europe, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, destabilize countries like for example Venezuela, Cuba
US sells snake oil, US put tariffs on imports, US has more debt than a third world country.
Thousand died from \'medicines\' opioids
the masses ARE uninformed, they are played by industry for profit and politicians for power and ego and insane ideas.
You do not need to know anything to be a politician, as long as people believe in you, your illusions.
It has always been like that .. the Roman empire fell, maybe the little ice age helped..
_No empire yet_ has persisted,

The masses....

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:57:40 -0800) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<bkfk1hl1blk0ajccka7prpvtp34qo4ta0g@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:11:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:56:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
ab91f577-c16a-4314-a21a-119729999065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:43:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Cold kills about 10x as many people as heat.

False argument.
My humble apologies. I got the number wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Yep, they got the number wrong, too. Fire, flood, and crop failures are all to be expected
in a warming earth, and only the immediate-ambient-temperature effects are in that assessment.
There wouldn\'t be a Paris Accord if we were blind outside that one spot.

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Doom sells. And keeps selling. \"Ignore all our failed predictions. We
have bigger computers now.\"


CO2 levels have been much higher and are cyclic with warm and cold periods (ice ages if you will).

Human beans better have nuclear power plants to run their aircos and heaters else population will
go dinos way in large areas.
The last 2 Adam and Eva humming beans on earth will have to know all about how to run that stuff.

Just a matter of time

Elon\'s kids will watch it all from some far away planet.

rt.com RT (Russia Today) is blocked in the Netherlands, good I have a sat dish, maybe EU will
kill that channel too like they did their German speaking channel.

The Netherlands blocks web sites? Who decides?

Dunno, connection just came back
Could have been a denial of service attack, any kid can do that.
I have read some hacker group will go anti-Russia.

Remove blinders and take in more information.

We are depending on all that \'tronics, does not take much to become blind and only hear for
example biden\'s vacuum brain echos.

I like it if it gets warmer, was freezing here tonight.
Higher temperatures and close to the sea here can create good tourist places.
Some orange trees and coconut trees would be nice.

Maybe there is a reason that people build glass greenhouses and pump
them up to 1000 PPM or so CO2.

Grow drugs ;-)?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:25 -0800) it happened John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
<sumk1hlkkb8ui9ga60ujumalk39va3baop@4ax.com>:

It is ironic that the dreaded \"greenhouse effect\" is named after,
well, greenhouses. Places where plants flourish.

Truckee hit -2F this morning. Too cold to ski in jeans.

There was an official -11F this week, but the weather station is out
in the open at the airport, exposed to the sky and in a local frigid
microclimate.

Yes -23 C is very cold
I remember getting of a bus at the wrong stop it was -40 C and had to walk in jeans ....
Somehow I seem to have good temperature control, heat does not change me much either
Miami beach

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:34:04 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:21:04 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

Very wrong.

What does \'very wrong\' mean, is that a moral judgment?

> ...Their \"computer simulation\" didn\'t account for progress.

So, you think the \'one child\' policy is progress? And that it
wasn\'t part of the input to the analysis?

The \'progress\' word is a lame excuse for something, I\'m just not sure what.

> They didn\'t even get the sign right.

What sign? That statement makes no sense, either.

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:39:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2022 09:09:25 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
sumk1hlkkb8ui9ga60ujumalk39va3baop@4ax.com>:

It is ironic that the dreaded \"greenhouse effect\" is named after,
well, greenhouses. Places where plants flourish.

Truckee hit -2F this morning. Too cold to ski in jeans.

There was an official -11F this week, but the weather station is out
in the open at the airport, exposed to the sky and in a local frigid
microclimate.

Yes -23 C is very cold
I remember getting of a bus at the wrong stop it was -40 C and had to walk in jeans ....
Somehow I seem to have good temperature control, heat does not change me much either
Miami beach

I have a friend who always skis in shorts. Cold doesn\'t bother him.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:39:47 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:57:40 -0800) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
bkfk1hl1blk0ajccka7prpvtp34qo4ta0g@4ax.com>:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:11:52 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Fri, 25 Feb 2022 14:56:11 -0800 (PST)) it happened whit3rd
whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote in
ab91f577-c16a-4314-a21a-119729999065n@googlegroups.com>:

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 12:54:45 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:43:11 -0000 (UTC), Mike Monett <spa...@not.com
wrote:

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Cold kills about 10x as many people as heat.

False argument.
My humble apologies. I got the number wrong.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/05/20/cold-weather-deaths/27657269/

Yep, they got the number wrong, too. Fire, flood, and crop failures are all to be expected
in a warming earth, and only the immediate-ambient-temperature effects are in that assessment.
There wouldn\'t be a Paris Accord if we were blind outside that one spot.

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

It is all about manipulating (or was it marsupilami?) the masses and selling

Doom sells. And keeps selling. \"Ignore all our failed predictions. We
have bigger computers now.\"


CO2 levels have been much higher and are cyclic with warm and cold periods (ice ages if you will).

Human beans better have nuclear power plants to run their aircos and heaters else population will
go dinos way in large areas.
The last 2 Adam and Eva humming beans on earth will have to know all about how to run that stuff.

Just a matter of time

Elon\'s kids will watch it all from some far away planet.

rt.com RT (Russia Today) is blocked in the Netherlands, good I have a sat dish, maybe EU will
kill that channel too like they did their German speaking channel.

The Netherlands blocks web sites? Who decides?

Dunno, connection just came back
Could have been a denial of service attack, any kid can do that.
I have read some hacker group will go anti-Russia.



Remove blinders and take in more information.

We are depending on all that \'tronics, does not take much to become blind and only hear for
example biden\'s vacuum brain echos.

I like it if it gets warmer, was freezing here tonight.
Higher temperatures and close to the sea here can create good tourist places.
Some orange trees and coconut trees would be nice.

Maybe there is a reason that people build glass greenhouses and pump
them up to 1000 PPM or so CO2.

Grow drugs ;-)?

Yes. And roses, orchids, tomatoes, ferns, all sorts of stuff. Plants
seem to like roughly 1100 PPM CO2 best.



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I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 12:42:13 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:34:04 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:21:04 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

Very wrong.

What does \'very wrong\' mean, is that a moral judgment?

No. Average calories per person. Annual oil and gas production.
Running out of metals. Population collapse. All wrong.

...Their \"computer simulation\" didn\'t account for progress.

So, you think the \'one child\' policy is progress? And that it
wasn\'t part of the input to the analysis?

The \'progress\' word is a lame excuse for something, I\'m just not sure what.

Food. Water. Housing. Electricity. Transport. Education. Medical care.
Things we have and other people want.

Think about it.



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I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 1:34:54 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 12:42:13 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:34:04 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:21:04 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 12:14:03 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:

There was also \"The club of Rome\' predicting the end of everything or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

Specifically, that was predicting overpopulation, in 1972; China responded
to their internal problems in 1980 with the \'one-child policy\'. So,
was the prediction wrong?

Very wrong.

What does \'very wrong\' mean, is that a moral judgment?

No. Average calories per person. Annual oil and gas production.

Average isn\'t the best measure, because fluctuations in food supply can kill you before
the next harvest is ready. Also, calories, of course, aren\'t the only food value; how
about protein, amines? Beef isn\'t keeping up with population.

Oil and gas production certainly IS limited; why would you think Club of Rome is wrong on that?

Where\'s the beef? Where\'s the numbers?