Fuse Failure Machanism ...??

Bob Larter wrote:
As soon as the cap and three fuses were replaced, operation of the
supply was normal, and it powered the TV without issue. Thoughts
anyone ?

Arfa
If you were here in the US midwest, I would say it was a nearby
lightning strike and the fuses kept arcing after the first one opened.

That'd be my guess too. A nearby ground-strike will arc over a zapped
fuse with no trouble at all.
War of the Worlds. The aliens are ready to rise.

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bob Larter wrote:

Tony Matt wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
If anyone knows the USA term I will add to my translator
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm

I don't know of a standard term, but browsing through DigiKey
datasheets, the terms 'subminiature', 'micro', 'cartridge', and 'IEC
60127-3' are commonly used.

Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
Littlefuse:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Littelfuse%20PDFs/663SERIES.pdf
Belfuse:
http://www.belfuse.com/Data/Datasheets/MRT.pdf
Cooper/Bussmann:
http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/1231b004-2213-4ce1-bcc3-a975cdc90d96.pdf
Schurter:
http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_mst_250.pdf

I've seen similar fuses on PCI extender/debug cards.

They sound like the fuses that used to be common on SCSI cards. They
look very much like small value electrolytics, except hard plastic
cases, with the value on the top, rather than on the side.


That sounds like a 'Picofuse'.
I've always known picofuses to be of axially leaded cylindrical
construction, looking like a small moulded choke package. Very confusing how
terms vary from place to place around the world ...

I should be in your neck of the woods in a few weeks Michael.

Arfa
 
N_Cook wrote:
Tony Matt <tonym@theworld.com> wrote in message
news:h86s1s$kn1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
[...]
Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
[...]
incidently
( Littelfuse & Wickman spellings)
Yes, I missed the Littelfuse spelling (but not in the Hot Wheels
thread); you might want to recheck the spec re Wickmann.

TM
 
Arfa Daily wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bob Larter wrote:

Tony Matt wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
If anyone knows the USA term I will add to my translator
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm

I don't know of a standard term, but browsing through DigiKey
datasheets, the terms 'subminiature', 'micro', 'cartridge', and 'IEC
60127-3' are commonly used.

Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
Littlefuse:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Littelfuse%20PDFs/663SERIES.pdf
Belfuse:
http://www.belfuse.com/Data/Datasheets/MRT.pdf
Cooper/Bussmann:
http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/1231b004-2213-4ce1-bcc3-a975cdc90d96.pdf
Schurter:
http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_mst_250.pdf

I've seen similar fuses on PCI extender/debug cards.

They sound like the fuses that used to be common on SCSI cards. They
look very much like small value electrolytics, except hard plastic
cases, with the value on the top, rather than on the side.


That sounds like a 'Picofuse'.



I've always known picofuses to be of axially leaded cylindrical
construction, looking like a small moulded choke package. Very confusing how
terms vary from place to place around the world ...

There are axial types that solder in, and a bi-pin version that plugs
in. Picofuse was the company name. The first I saw were in Jerrold
CATV trunk amplifiers in 1972. They were a pain in the ass. You are
on a ladder or in a bucket truck, trying to remove the ceramic screw on
cover, and pull the fuse without losing either part.

http://us.100y.com.tw/US-Catalog-pdf/18-02.pdf type tr5 at the bottom of
the page is a similar version.


I should be in your neck of the woods in a few weeks Michael.

Let me know if you want to stop by. I may be in Apopka, which is
over half way to Orlando to pick up some donated equipment. :)


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bucket truck = What we Limies call a cherry picker?
It's called the same thing in the US. I've never heard it called a bucket
truck.
 
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
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bucket truck = What we Limies call a cherry picker?

It's called the same thing in the US. I've never heard it called a bucket
truck.

perhaps its a Mason-Dixon deliniation thing
 
N_Cook wrote:
bucket truck = what we ,limies, call a cherry picker?

A cherry picker is a similar, but lighter and small vehicle used for
picking fruit. A bucket truck is too heavy and too wide to go down the
rows in most groves. A bucket truck usually has outriggers to stabilize
them when used off asphalt on concrete roads.


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N_Cook wrote:
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:h8aqqr$9fl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
bucket truck = What we Limies call a cherry picker?

It's called the same thing in the US. I've never heard it called a bucket
truck.



perhaps its a Mason-Dixon deliniation thing.

No, its a term used by utility companies.


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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Bob Larter wrote:
Tony Matt wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
If anyone knows the USA term I will add to my translator
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm
I don't know of a standard term, but browsing through DigiKey
datasheets, the terms 'subminiature', 'micro', 'cartridge', and 'IEC
60127-3' are commonly used.

Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
Littlefuse:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Littelfuse%20PDFs/663SERIES.pdf
Belfuse:
http://www.belfuse.com/Data/Datasheets/MRT.pdf
Cooper/Bussmann:
http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/1231b004-2213-4ce1-bcc3-a975cdc90d96.pdf
Schurter:
http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_mst_250.pdf

I've seen similar fuses on PCI extender/debug cards.
They sound like the fuses that used to be common on SCSI cards. They
look very much like small value electrolytics, except hard plastic
cases, with the value on the top, rather than on the side.


That sounds like a 'Picofuse'.
That's entirely possible. I've never designed with that style of fuse,
so I'm not familiar with the brands.

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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:55ednaIbeoanIzrXnZ2dnUVZ_jBi4p2d@earthlink.com...
Bob Larter wrote:
Tony Matt wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
If anyone knows the USA term I will add to my translator
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm
I don't know of a standard term, but browsing through DigiKey
datasheets, the terms 'subminiature', 'micro', 'cartridge', and 'IEC
60127-3' are commonly used.

Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
Littlefuse:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Littelfuse%20PDFs/663SERIES.pdf
Belfuse:
http://www.belfuse.com/Data/Datasheets/MRT.pdf
Cooper/Bussmann:
http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/1231b004-2213-4ce1-bcc3-a975cdc90d96.pdf
Schurter:
http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_mst_250.pdf

I've seen similar fuses on PCI extender/debug cards.
They sound like the fuses that used to be common on SCSI cards. They
look very much like small value electrolytics, except hard plastic
cases, with the value on the top, rather than on the side.

That sounds like a 'Picofuse'.


I've always known picofuses to be of axially leaded cylindrical
construction, looking like a small moulded choke package. Very confusing how
terms vary from place to place around the world ...


There are axial types that solder in, and a bi-pin version that plugs
in. Picofuse was the company name. The first I saw were in Jerrold
CATV trunk amplifiers in 1972. They were a pain in the ass. You are
on a ladder or in a bucket truck, trying to remove the ceramic screw on
cover, and pull the fuse without losing either part.

http://us.100y.com.tw/US-Catalog-pdf/18-02.pdf type tr5 at the bottom of
the page is a similar version.
Yep, those are ones I was remembering.

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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
 
Robert Macy wrote:
Empirical Note:

That 3AG fuse style, the glass tube, 1A is perfect if you want a huge
spike when the fuse blows.

I tried a lot of fuse types before I settled on that one. Use four 12
Volt deep discharge vehicle batteries in series, a spool of 4/0
cabling [about 50uH], and a starter solenoid for contactor. The
circuit forms a short through the fuse. When the solenoid activates
you get about 300-500 A through the fuse and it goes off like a flash
bulb. The fuse stops conducting abruptly enough that the inductance
gives you an excellent kick back to meet BT's weird telecom -48V power
surge spec. I couldn't get any other fuse type to do as well.

Any time you generate plasma in a fuse, it will do that. You should
see the damage when some idiot uses the old SFE 32 volt automotive fuses
in a 120 or higher application.

Did you try AGC series fuses?


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On Sep 9, 6:28 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:55ednaIbeoanIzrXnZ2dnUVZ_jBi4p2d@earthlink.com...

Bob Larter wrote:

Tony Matt wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
If anyone knows the USA term I will add to my translator
http://www.divdev.fsnet.co.uk/tool_terms.htm

I don't know of a standard term, but browsing through DigiKey
datasheets, the terms 'subminiature', 'micro', 'cartridge', and 'IEC
60127-3' are commonly used.

Littlefuse/Wickmann:
http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Data_Sheets/374_LF_011906.pdf
Littlefuse:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Littelfuse%20PDFs/663SERIE...
Belfuse:
http://www.belfuse.com/Data/Datasheets/MRT.pdf
Cooper/Bussmann:
http://www.cooperbussmann.com/pdf/1231b004-2213-4ce1-bcc3-a975cdc90d9...
Schurter:
http://www.schurterinc.com/pdf/english/typ_mst_250.pdf

I've seen similar fuses on PCI extender/debug cards.

They sound like the fuses that used to be common on SCSI cards. They
look very much like small value electrolytics, except hard plastic
cases, with the value on the top, rather than on the side.

  That sounds like a 'Picofuse'.

I've always known picofuses to be of axially leaded cylindrical
construction, looking like a small moulded choke package. Very confusing how
terms vary from place to place around the world ...

   There are axial types that solder in, and a bi-pin version that plugs
in.  Picofuse was the company name.  The first I saw were in Jerrold
CATV trunk amplifiers in 1972.  They were  a pain in the ass.  You are
on a ladder or in a bucket truck, trying to remove the ceramic screw on
cover, and pull the fuse without losing either part.

http://us.100y.com.tw/US-Catalog-pdf/18-02.pdftype tr5 at the bottom of
the page is a similar version.

I should be in your neck of the woods in a few weeks Michael.

   Let me know if you want to stop by.  I may be in Apopka, which is
over half way to Orlando to pick up some donated equipment. :)

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
Empirical Note:

That 3AG fuse style, the glass tube, 1A is perfect if you want a huge
spike when the fuse blows.

I tried a lot of fuse types before I settled on that one. Use four 12
Volt deep discharge vehicle batteries in series, a spool of 4/0
cabling [about 50uH], and a starter solenoid for contactor. The
circuit forms a short through the fuse. When the solenoid activates
you get about 300-500 A through the fuse and it goes off like a flash
bulb. The fuse stops conducting abruptly enough that the inductance
gives you an excellent kick back to meet BT's weird telecom -48V power
surge spec. I couldn't get any other fuse type to do as well.

Robert
 
Robert Macy wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Did you try AGC series fuses?

a well designed fuse will 'slowly' go away

what does the AGC look like?

Like a 3AG.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
On Sep 11, 10:16 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:

Empirical Note:

That 3AG fuse style, the glass tube, 1A is perfect if you want a huge
spike when the fuse blows.

I tried a lot of fuse types before I settled on that one.  Use four 12
Volt deep discharge vehicle batteries in series, a spool of 4/0
cabling [about 50uH], and a starter solenoid for contactor.  The
circuit forms a short through the fuse. When the solenoid activates
you get about 300-500 A through the fuse and it goes off like a flash
bulb.  The fuse stops conducting abruptly enough that the inductance
gives you an excellent kick back to meet BT's weird telecom -48V power
surge spec.  I couldn't get any other fuse type to do as well.

   Any time you generate plasma in a fuse, it will do that.  You should
see the damage when some idiot uses the old SFE 32 volt automotive fuses
in a 120 or higher application.

   Did you try AGC series fuses?

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
a well designed fuse will 'slowly' go away

what does the AGC look like?
 
Robert Macy wrote:
Empirical Note:

That 3AG fuse style, the glass tube, 1A is perfect if you want a huge
spike when the fuse blows.

I tried a lot of fuse types before I settled on that one. Use four 12
Volt deep discharge vehicle batteries in series, a spool of 4/0
cabling [about 50uH], and a starter solenoid for contactor. The
circuit forms a short through the fuse. When the solenoid activates
you get about 300-500 A through the fuse and it goes off like a flash
bulb. The fuse stops conducting abruptly enough that the inductance
gives you an excellent kick back to meet BT's weird telecom -48V power
surge spec. I couldn't get any other fuse type to do as well.
<grin> I bet that made you popular. ;^)


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. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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