Freescale doesn't want to be bothered

[Pooh Bear]

John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Apr 2005 17:44:52 -0700, "Tomscale" <jkkoch228@hotmail.com
wrote:

Hi,

Actually, we've been watching this thread since the weekend. Thanks for
offering me an opening to clarify a couple of things.

To anyone who's had a frustrating experience with password restrictions
on our site: It's a fair cop, and new guidelines have been posted.
We're listening.

Hey, I thought the rules had changed!

Authentication also helps us ensure privacy. We have a user agreement
for the same reason. Actually, legalese can be pretty important -- just
check out CourtTV!

Thanks for starting the thread. We've enjoyed reading everyone's
anecdotes -- and believe me, we've got them, too.

Tom, Web grunt

So, I did re-register, posted my question, and got a good answer;
namely that the 68332 is still selling well and should stay in
production for some years. Good: I'm designing another product around
it, 20th or so with this uP now. All I want now is a 3.3 volt, 25 MHz
version and I'll be happy again.

Actually, I've always liked Moto semiconductors and support, but the
password rules seemed absurd. There's hardly a privacy issue here, and
if I want to use "ABC123" or "Password" or "John", shouldn't that be
my choice?

You have my 100% agreement.

But I think a lot of us think the registration/password thing is often
overdone. When I'm a little cranky, or in a hurry, the idea of filling
out a registration form just to ask a question (or worse, just to see
a datasheet!) is annoying, so I go somewhere else.

Normal human response.

Most distributors now let *anybody* type in a part number on their
home page, and cut directly to a p&a list. That's progress!

Linear Tech is really a pain; trying to get a budgetary price is a
huge hassle. Sensible people like TI and ADI show the price with a
click or none.

I *love* TI - they send me EVMs to play with and just wanna play cuddly with
me ! I just got told that for $100 more ( GBP ~ 60 ) that I can get a day
long ( with food ) application course on the SDK.

They also give 'way serious' personal technical back-up.

Now that's unusual ! It shouldn't be, I dare say.


Graham

 

[Pooh Bear]

R Adsett wrote:

In article <1114044292.656252.65970@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
jkkoch228@hotmail.com says...
Hi,

Actually, we've been watching this thread since the weekend. Thanks for
offering me an opening to clarify a couple of things.

To anyone who's had a frustrating experience with password restrictions
on our site: It's a fair cop, and new guidelines have been posted.
We're listening.

Authentication also helps us ensure privacy. We have a user agreement
for the same reason. Actually, legalese can be pretty important -- just
check out CourtTV!

I must be missing something, either that or you live in a truly Orwellian
world. You want me to give you information that you will then keep on
file in order to protect my privacy!?

Uhuh. Orwell rules Ok ! Newspeak is truth !

Graham

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

richard mullens wrote:

Somewhat like on VMS where the system manager can prevent password reuse.
When I encountered this I figured there must be a limit to the number of passwords kept - and wrote a command file to flush out
my old passswords so that they could be reused. Well, this drove the logon monitoring console crazy. In the event I just
filled the buffer - and this made the system generate random passwords for me - but this was against company policy, so I was
allowed my choice of password with no expiry. A victory !

You should have written a program to find all the passswords, then
send out the list to everyone from the head of the IT Department's email
account.

--
Former professional electron wrangler.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[richard mullens]

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

richard mullens wrote:

Somewhat like on VMS where the system manager can prevent password reuse.
When I encountered this I figured there must be a limit to the number of passwords kept - and wrote a command file to flush out
my old passswords so that they could be reused. Well, this drove the logon monitoring console crazy. In the event I just
filled the buffer - and this made the system generate random passwords for me - but this was against company policy, so I was
allowed my choice of password with no expiry. A victory !



You should have written a program to find all the passswords, then
send out the list to everyone from the head of the IT Department's email
account.

Yes, that would have been poetic justice.

He also had a process that would log off accounts that were idle for 15 minutes, but we easily got around that with our own
sub-process that woke up once in a while and then went back to sleep.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:02:29 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Apr 2005 17:44:52 -0700, "Tomscale" <jkkoch228@hotmail.com
wrote:

Hi,

Actually, we've been watching this thread since the weekend. Thanks for
offering me an opening to clarify a couple of things.

To anyone who's had a frustrating experience with password restrictions
on our site: It's a fair cop, and new guidelines have been posted.
We're listening.

Hey, I thought the rules had changed!

Authentication also helps us ensure privacy. We have a user agreement
for the same reason. Actually, legalese can be pretty important -- just
check out CourtTV!

Thanks for starting the thread. We've enjoyed reading everyone's
anecdotes -- and believe me, we've got them, too.

Tom, Web grunt

So, I did re-register, posted my question, and got a good answer;
namely that the 68332 is still selling well and should stay in
production for some years.

I'd be interested in your input re the 6833X series.

We use the MC68332 in speeds from 16 to 25 MHz, in two different
packages, in lots of products. It's an old design, ten years or more,
so every year or so I ping Moto/Freescale to see if it's still a
viable part; we must use 1000 a year or so. So far, it looks OK.

Intel is famous for discontinuing parts that people are counting on.
In one notorious case, they heavily promoted an "embedded" x86 part,
and discontinued it before they shipped production!

Anyhow, the 332 is a great chip, wonderful cisc instruction set (like
32:64 mul/div!) and nice peripherials, and seems stone cold reliable.
My only complaint is that the 3.3 volt part is only available in 5
volts, which means if I want to go to 25MHz, I have to add interface
stuff between the CPU and modern flash and fpga chips. I suspect the
3.3 is just a fast 5-v part downgraded.

One day we'll cut over to the Coldfire parts, but that's a chore. It's
always, "well, maybe next project."

John

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

John Larkin wrote:
[snip]

They do a lot of high-volume stuff... uP's for cars, cell phone stuff,
things like that. That's big-time, insider selling, and maybe they
prefer not to be bothered by small fry like us.

How do they know if you are small fry? You could have the design
contract for some gadget with a potential market of 100M units.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailtoaul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
"A doctor can bury his mistakes but an architect can only
advise his client to plant vines." -- Frank Lloyd Wright

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 21 Apr 2005 17:50:07 -0700, langwadt@ieee.org (Lasse Langwadt
Christensen) wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<a0ba61lpbi4s4qgf4njj682javd6e56nsv@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:28:34 +0100, Pooh Bear
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

I was registered with Motorola, but I'm not registered with Freescale.
If you're not registered, you can't send them mail, not even to the
webmaster. The password rules are so complex I can't remember them
all: something like requiring the length to be in a range, to have
nothing in common with the user ID, to have uppercase *and* lowercase
letters *and* numbers, to start with something or other...

I'll buy somewhere else.

There *had* to be a freescale addy that should work. Anyone fancy trying
this one ?

Administrative Contact:
Freescale Semiconductor, Inc.
Larry Gwinn
2100 E. Elliot Road .
Muenchen, AZ 81829
US
Phone: +1.4804137088
Email: interreg@freescale.com


Graham

Not likely.

2100 E. Elliot Road is in Tempe, AZ

There is NO Muenchen, AZ

Zip code 81829 is in Wyoming.

The phone number DOES have the right area code.

...Jim Thompson

corner of Price and Elliot, It should have been 85284 Tempe,
but the rest is correct
-Lasse

In Tempe, NOT Muenchen ;-)

I know where it is... I've done some work for that division. It's
readily accessible now from Loop 101... just a long block west on
Elliot, in a research park.

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Donna and Ian]

Joel Kolstad wrote:

Wanting to be "private" about the specs of the products you sell (or hope to
sell) probably isn't a very good business strategy...

I used to be registered with Motorola for the purpose
of email support. Then some time last year, I tried
to fetch some software and was blocked by redirecting
URI containing a 'license' requirement.
I wrote to the new Freescale support because the terms
of the 'agreement' seem very restrictive.
I have written a FreeBSD gnu/linux 908 programmer that
can programme all of the 0.1 inch pinned 908 processors
- QT to GP32 - and the terms in that agreement seemed
to conflict with my wish to publish the source code.
I received support email back from Freescale that took
a while, but the answer came from Freescale's lawyers.
I could register and sign the agreement; that would not
affect the use of any information that I obtained prior
to the signing. However I have declined to do so because
the terms are mean spirited with regards to sharing
information and open discussion.

Ian

--
Ian Stirling, G4ICV, AB2GR, Long Valley, New Jersey, USA.
Email address is not valid: contact details are on that
domain's web site.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On 25 Apr 2005 15:21:48 -0700, langwadt@ieee.org (Lasse Langwadt
Christensen) wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message news:<jqjg61djokr9j6eg1fc6kh2jpq1usajsuq@4ax.com>...
On 21 Apr 2005 17:50:07 -0700, langwadt@ieee.org (Lasse Langwadt
Christensen) wrote:

snip

corner of Price and Elliot, It should have been 85284 Tempe,
but the rest is correct
-Lasse

In Tempe, NOT Muenchen ;-)

that's what I wrote: 85284 Tempe ;-)


I know where it is... I've done some work for that division. It's
readily accessible now from Loop 101... just a long block west on
Elliot, in a research park.

101 = Price


...Jim Thompson

-Lasse

Actually, to be precise, Price is the frontage road for 101.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Ben Bradley]

On 17 Apr 2005 07:52:08 -0700, "Andy" <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote:

Genome wrote:

I am now registered with Freescale.

It's true...... you can see a screen shot in ABSE.

DNA

Andy writes:

Sorry, but I can't quite understand your accent.

What is an ARSE ?

alt.reworked.schematics.electronic?

It must have been the answer to "How do you prefer delivery of
electronic datasheets?"

Andy

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[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:42:02 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Tomscale wrote:

Hi,

Actually, we've been watching this thread since the weekend. Thanks for
offering me an opening to clarify a couple of things.

...

Tom, Web grunt

My GOD ! He's not screwing with us !

I guess "Tomscale" will never post from a work IP address again.

From the headers........


OrgName: Motorola MNIC

...

TechEmail: Joe.Schaeffer@motorola.com
# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2005-04-20 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


So why ? does ' Freescale' use duff IDs ? Been there - checked it - I'm a
'netcop' if you wanna call me that.

Freescale has been *misrepresenting* its actual data ! I've phoned in on
that number btw !Why would they do that ? I've reported it it to the
registrar who obeys ICANN rules and requires true info ! In view of what
the current siuation is - I've been told they'll ask some serious questions
!

I look forward to a *real* meaningful whois. I hope you fire the IT shits
who registered false data.

Was Freescale just a rename of Motorola's processor/DSP division?
How separate a company is Freescale from Motorola? I can imagine some
internal, unseen stuff like domain registration info could have been
left without being updated. Poking around with Sam Spade:

Registrant:
Freescale Semiconductor Inc.
Larry Gwinn
6501 William Cannon Drive
Austin TX 78735
US
Email: interreg@freescale.com

...

DNS Servers:
dns31.mot.com
dns11.mot.com
ftpbox.mot.com
motgate.mot.com

Does Motorola supply IT services to Freescale? Looks like it to me.

TI ate Burr-Brown, Unitrode, and perhaps others I don't recall.
Motorola made transistors and such for decades, then the discrete
parts branch became On Semi. Now there's Freescale for the micro's and
DSP's. I have to get used to going to a different website for the info
I was looking for. Took me forever to remember onsemi.com, I knew it
was 'On' something...

I worked for a company (Schlumberger) that often buys and sells
divisions. Change was inevitable, so I should have known they would
get out of the business of making the widgets I designed there.

Graham

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[John Larkin]

On 20 Apr 2005 17:44:52 -0700, "Tomscale" <jkkoch228@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

Actually, we've been watching this thread since the weekend. Thanks for
offering me an opening to clarify a couple of things.

To anyone who's had a frustrating experience with password restrictions
on our site: It's a fair cop, and new guidelines have been posted.
We're listening.

Hey, I thought the rules had changed!

Authentication also helps us ensure privacy. We have a user agreement
for the same reason. Actually, legalese can be pretty important -- just
check out CourtTV!

Thanks for starting the thread. We've enjoyed reading everyone's
anecdotes -- and believe me, we've got them, too.

Tom, Web grunt

So, I did re-register, posted my question, and got a good answer;
namely that the 68332 is still selling well and should stay in
production for some years. Good: I'm designing another product around
it, 20th or so with this uP now. All I want now is a 3.3 volt, 25 MHz
version and I'll be happy again.

Actually, I've always liked Moto semiconductors and support, but the
password rules seemed absurd. There's hardly a privacy issue here, and
if I want to use "ABC123" or "Password" or "John", shouldn't that be
my choice?

But I think a lot of us think the registration/password thing is often
overdone. When I'm a little cranky, or in a hurry, the idea of filling
out a registration form just to ask a question (or worse, just to see
a datasheet!) is annoying, so I go somewhere else.

Most distributors now let *anybody* type in a part number on their
home page, and cut directly to a p&a list. That's progress!

Linear Tech is really a pain; trying to get a budgetary price is a
huge hassle. Sensible people like TI and ADI show the price with a
click or none.

John