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I used to work in a software company that did work in the general EDAThis is a commonly used argument in the USA, where suing people is
the
national pastime. It is not such a big issue in Europe or other
parts of
the world, where people tend to choose products based on things like
"cost" and "features", rather than "how easy is it to sue the
vendor?".
And if you look at the fine print of the EULA on most software, all
you
can sue for is the price you paid for the software, and the only
thing
guarenteed is the manual won't fall apart in the first six months.
And let see, who did TigerCAD, and Schema, and masstek, and how manyIn article <xnwtsg90qf.fsf@delorie.com>, dj@delorie.com says...
Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> writes:
Don't forget the arse protection factor.
If the vendor goes out of business, you're better off with open source
software.
I consider this a minor point, only because vendors don't go out of
business that often.
Ivex.
I can't see anyone downgrading to Eagle. Have to say I'm not an EagleI've seen the feature set that the BIG eda vendors are providing, and
the technology is just way more than small shops need, and it would be
a lot of effort to try to keep up with them. Even Eagle is way out of
that class, but you don't see me saying that "someone running a
commercial operation using design tools in anger is unlikely to want
to drop 'big shop' products and opt for 'Eagle'- not for a long time
anyhow....".
Its not about suing companies. Its about CYA. The other poster was
being a bit artistic with his example. In the real world there is a
real concern that if you buy something other than a big name, your
career can suffer. There's even an expression, "No one ever got
fired
for buying IBM". And that was not a statement of their quality.
David wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:40:20 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
I've seen the feature set that the BIG eda vendors are
providing,
and
the technology is just way more than small shops need, and it
would be
a lot of effort to try to keep up with them. Even Eagle is way
out of
that class, but you don't see me saying that "someone running a
commercial operation using design tools in anger is unlikely to
want
to drop 'big shop' products and opt for 'Eagle'- not for a long
time
anyhow....".
Don't forget the arse protection factor. If you spend $500000 on
EDA and
it doesn't perform, it's their fault and the writs will fly. If
you
use
a freeware tool and it doesn't perform, you'll get fired. In
point
of
fact, the outcome is the same, and in the latter case you might
have
learned something useful to enable you to select the next
package,
and
in the first case the vendor will probably win the case, but
who'll
listen to your side?
This is a commonly used argument in the USA, where suing people is
the
national pastime. It is not such a big issue in Europe or other
parts of
the world, where people tend to choose products based on things
like
"cost" and "features", rather than "how easy is it to sue the
vendor?".
And if you look at the fine print of the EULA on most software, all
you
can sue for is the price you paid for the software, and the only
thing
guarenteed is the manual won't fall apart in the first six months.
What adoption numbers..?the adoption numbers speak for themselves.
Well where do you believe Linux is, exactly...? The mainstream isI know there is reluctance to talk about the Linux analogies, but I
have to bring them back up. The hobbyist / enthusiast / hacker
"market" (if you want to call it that) is exactly where Linux started
out. Considering where Linux is now, my opinion is that it is foolish
to ignore the analogy for PCB CAD.
the adoption numbers speak for themselves.
What adoption numbers..?
I know there is reluctance to talk about the Linux analogies, but I
have to bring them back up. The hobbyist / enthusiast / hacker
"market" (if you want to call it that) is exactly where Linux started
out. Considering where Linux is now, my opinion is that it is foolish
to ignore the analogy for PCB CAD.
Well where do you believe Linux is, exactly...? The mainstream is
still firmly set in Windows
^^mired^^
Not for long!Prescott
Not that I think it is advancing the discussion about FreePCB and EagleWell where do you believe Linux is, exactly...? The mainstream is
still firmly set in Windows
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:40:20 +0000, Paul Burke wrote:
DJ Delorie wrote:
I've seen the feature set that the BIG eda vendors are providing,
and
the technology is just way more than small shops need, and it
would be
a lot of effort to try to keep up with them. Even Eagle is way
out of
that class, but you don't see me saying that "someone running a
commercial operation using design tools in anger is unlikely to
want
to drop 'big shop' products and opt for 'Eagle'- not for a long
time
anyhow....".
Don't forget the arse protection factor. If you spend $500000 on
EDA and
it doesn't perform, it's their fault and the writs will fly. If you
use
a freeware tool and it doesn't perform, you'll get fired. In point
of
fact, the outcome is the same, and in the latter case you might
have
learned something useful to enable you to select the next package,
and
in the first case the vendor will probably win the case, but who'll
listen to your side?
This is a commonly used argument in the USA, where suing people is
the
national pastime. It is not such a big issue in Europe or other
parts of
the world, where people tend to choose products based on things like
"cost" and "features", rather than "how easy is it to sue the
vendor?".
And if you look at the fine print of the EULA on most software, all
you
can sue for is the price you paid for the software, and the only
thing
guarenteed is the manual won't fall apart in the first six months.
Not for long!
Let's see, the Chinese government has decided to make its own distribution
of linux for use in ALL Chinese government activities (this after getting
a concession from MS to allow them to view the 'doze source code). Japan
has started the same type of project. Germany is using linux in various
civil government agencies, DOD is firmly behind a secure linux product for
DOD use. IBM is firmly in the linux camp for all of its enterprise systems
(remember how Bill gained his dominance?), Dell is providing preconfigured linux
machines, KMART is providing "Lindows" machines retail, HP now has a Linux VP.
Add to that, Novell's new CLE program, Oracle's support of linux for all of
its DB products. Linux already has 1/2 of the server market... it goes on
and on.
... and even microsoft is using a linux server frontend to protect its
window's based webservers, the writing is on the wall.
-Chuck
Don't forget the arse protection factor. If you spend $500000 on EDA andI've seen the feature set that the BIG eda vendors are providing, and
the technology is just way more than small shops need, and it would be
a lot of effort to try to keep up with them. Even Eagle is way out of
that class, but you don't see me saying that "someone running a
commercial operation using design tools in anger is unlikely to want
to drop 'big shop' products and opt for 'Eagle'- not for a long time
anyhow....".
Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> writes:
Don't forget the arse protection factor.
If the vendor goes out of business, you're better off with open source
software.
I consider this a minor point, only because vendors don't go out of
business that often.
Ivex.