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I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
On 1/24/2023 10:08 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
In WW2 there were electromechanical gun laying computers, the analog
computer could continually integrate the position from radar data to get
a target\'s velocity vector, and along with the range compute an
appropriate gun super elevation.
Here\'s a video series that shows how they worked, the mechanical
ball-integrator was an ingenious contraption:
https://youtu.be/lr1uK24SND8
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns,
artillery, ships, whatever. The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve
been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such
a thing as the first computer?
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
   I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military.  Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS
Missouri.  It aimed the guns on the ship.  Is there such a thing as
the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term -Â was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
In WWII, most targeting computers were analog.
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On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman
wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever. The narrator
claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri.
It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the
first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type
of computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps
most would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is
how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program
computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another
branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding
targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a
computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I
can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and
used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
The \"targeting\" solution was done by analog in a gyro stabilized
bombsight, which also took control of the aircraft to fly it steady
and constant speed. The primary sensor was an optical sight, making
the whole idea of it a total piece of crap. Who would have thought
anyone would encounter cloud cover in northern Europe, or that there
would be a requirement for nighttime bombings, and high altitude
drops? Can we say morons? And the product was the culmination of at
least 15 years of development. You can give a moron all the time and
money in the world, and in the end you\'re still left with a moron.
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS
Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as
the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
Gunlaying analog computers go back to WW1. One of the reasons that the
Battle of Jutland was a more even affair than expected was that more of
the German ships had director gun laying than the British.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman
wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever. The narrator
claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri.
It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the
first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type
of computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps
most would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is
how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program
computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another
branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding
targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a
computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I
can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and
used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
The \"targeting\" solution was done by analog in a gyro stabilized
bombsight, which also took control of the aircraft to fly it steady
and constant speed. The primary sensor was an optical sight, making
the whole idea of it a total piece of crap. Who would have thought
anyone would encounter cloud cover in northern Europe, or that there
would be a requirement for nighttime bombings, and high altitude
drops? Can we say morons? And the product was the culmination of at
least 15 years of development. You can give a moron all the time and
money in the world, and in the end you\'re still left with a moron.
The pre-war doctrine was that B17s in combat box formation were
self-defending, and so could be used for daylight precision bombing.
\'T\'weren\'t so, but it wasn\'t the Sperry or Norden folks\' fault. The
Sperry in particular was a beautiful piece of kit for its day.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
The \"targeting\" solution was done by analog in a gyro stabilized bombsight, which also took control of the aircraft to fly it steady and constant speed. The primary sensor was an optical sight, making the whole idea of it a total piece of crap. Who would have thought anyone would encounter cloud cover in northern Europe, or that there would be a requirement for nighttime bombings, and high altitude drops? Can we say morons? And the product was the culmination of at least 15 years of development. You can give a moron all the time and money in the world, and in the end you\'re still left with a moron.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:24:38 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS
Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as
the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
Gunlaying analog computers go back to WW1. One of the reasons that the
Battle of Jutland was a more even affair than expected was that more of
the German ships had director gun laying than the British.
Excuses, excuses. All the German ships were outfitted with multiple high resolution coincident image optical range finders. Only a few of the British ships had them.
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:59:34 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:24:38 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything
military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS
Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as
the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
Gunlaying analog computers go back to WW1. One of the reasons that the
Battle of Jutland was a more even affair than expected was that more of
the German ships had director gun laying than the British.
Excuses, excuses. All the German ships were outfitted with multiple high resolution coincident image optical range finders. Only a few of the British ships had them.
What\'s the saying? Don\'t bring an optical range finder to a RADAR fight.
--
Rick C.
-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:42:40 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
The \"targeting\" solution was done by analog in a gyro stabilized bombsight, which also took control of the aircraft to fly it steady and constant speed. The primary sensor was an optical sight, making the whole idea of it a total piece of crap. Who would have thought anyone would encounter cloud cover in northern Europe, or that there would be a requirement for nighttime bombings, and high altitude drops? Can we say morons? And the product was the culmination of at least 15 years of development. You can give a moron all the time and money in the world, and in the end you\'re still left with a moron.
Yes, and it takes one to know one. God, you are such a downer. They won the f**king war. Why don\'t you use technology from the time and design one better.
--
Rick C.
+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 4:30:30 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 3:42:40 PM UTC-5, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 2:23:58 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-5, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 24/01/2023 15:08, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was watching the show Mail Call. It talks of anything military. Guns, artillery, ships, whatever.
The narrator claimed the first computer might\'ve been on the USS Missouri. It aimed the guns on the ship. Is there such a thing as the first computer?
It depends what you mean by \"computer\". Isn\'t an abacus a type of
computer?!
It\'s pretty widely accepted that the first computer - as perhaps most
would use the term - was Colossus:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
As you say, you first have to define what you are talking about.
\"the world\'s first programmable, electronic, digital computer\" is how Wikipedia talks about Colossus. It was not a stored program computer, being programmed by switches and plugs.
Code breaking drove a branch of computing technology. Another branch that was also desperately needed in the war, was finding targeting solutions. I don\'t recall the name, but there was a computer designed to be airborne, that was pretty interesting. I can\'t seem to find it on the web. I thought it was WWII vintage and used rather archaic components like delay lines. Maybe not.
The \"targeting\" solution was done by analog in a gyro stabilized bombsight, which also took control of the aircraft to fly it steady and constant speed. The primary sensor was an optical sight, making the whole idea of it a total piece of crap. Who would have thought anyone would encounter cloud cover in northern Europe, or that there would be a requirement for nighttime bombings, and high altitude drops? Can we say morons? And the product was the culmination of at least 15 years of development. You can give a moron all the time and money in the world, and in the end you\'re still left with a moron.
Yes, and it takes one to know one. God, you are such a downer. They won the f**king war. Why don\'t you use technology from the time and design one better.
There was a synthetic aperture radar navigation-/bomb-sight in development at the time, and demonstration prototypes were fitted into test bombers, but it never received the attention it needed to be made into something operational during war.
In WW2 there were electromechanical gun laying computers, the analog
computer could continually integrate the position from radar data to get
a target\'s velocity vector, and along with the range compute an
appropriate gun super elevation.
Here\'s a video series that shows how they worked, the mechanical
ball-integrator was an ingenious contraption:
https://youtu.be/lr1uK24SND8