Father/daughter talk...

James Arthur · Sep 21, 2008

On Sep 20, 6:56 pm, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:19:26 GMT, n...@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]
E-mailed to me today by daughter-in-law Renee, widow of my second son
Duane.

Jim, just one question: do you have insurances?

Not sure of WHY you are asking... but yes.

An insurance is the same thing: you work for the money you pay to the
insurance company. If someone else slips up, he (or she) gets away
with the money you worked for. Distribution of wealth (communism) is
stupid, but having some (government regulated) insurance that keeps
people on their feet is not.

--
Programmeren in Almere?
E-mail naar nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)

So you're saying knocking 1.0 off the studious girl's grade-point
average and giving it to the partying girl is insurance?, that it
keeps the party-girl on her feet?

And that the government should enforce this?

Yep, that sums it up nicely.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Mike V · Sep 21, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Jim Thompson · Sep 21, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:11:11 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Jim Thompson · Sep 21, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:44:41 -0500, "Jon Slaughter"
<Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:rj0dd41q8em6gngm2rg2msvk6i7gusi6mb@4ax.com...

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:11:11 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Bob Eld has earned a JERK rating in my NewsProxy filter ;-)

It's the standard liberal tactic. If you can't argue about substance just
call them a racist. Bob's a typical ignorant liberal. (it's funny how these
guys claim/act as if they are more accepting of other cultures/views/etc
then turn around and do the same shit they are supposedly criticizing.

Bob just gave us a new word of the day! CAN EVERYONE SAY HYPOCRITE!!!

flipper · Sep 22, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:31:39 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:56:41 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

but having some (government regulated) insurance that keeps
people on their feet is not.

Here you have a problem because the people you want to help 'keep on
their feet' do not pay an 'insurance premium' commensurate with the
'risk' (an exception to that might be worker's comp).

The last statistics I heard is that the bottom 40% pay no income taxes
at all but that is the group you most likely want to 'help'.

I think

Well, the topic was your contention 'it' is 'like insurance' and I
asked what 'it' you meant.

that is an error of your government.

It may be but that's the 'it' in play and we have Obama proposing to
give money to those who pay '0' income taxes, claiming that's a "tax
cut," so he's obviously not interested in your proposal they pay 'more
taxes'.

Over here everybody pays
an income dependant tax and other taxes even if the income comes from
social insurance or wellfare. Receiving either does imply the person
should actively look for work which keeps the system affordable (only
a few percent receive wellfare).

You sound like a 'Republican'.

The top 20%, however, pay 80% of the income taxes and are the ones
routinely mentioned as 'who should pay', but are the least likely to
need 'help'.

I think your government picks the easiest fruits from the tree.
Relieve 80% of the voters and get elected.

In classical liberalism it was referred to as "organized theft;" where
the 'majority' gangs up to economically rape the 'minority'.

Contemporarily it's debated as (economic) 'class warfare', as a
criticism, and 'income redistribution', as a 'justification' (and also
as a criticism by those who oppose 'socialism').

That won't 'fly' over here.

Where is "over here?"

Jim Thompson · Sep 22, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:11:59 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:
[snip]

You sound like a 'Republican'.

[snip]

You "sound like" a fairy, does "sound like" make it so ?

flipper · Sep 22, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:28:08 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:11:59 -0500, flipper <flipper@fish.net> wrote:
[snip]

You sound like a 'Republican'.

[snip]

You "sound like" a fairy, does "sound like" make it so ?

No, but snipping the context and saying something nonsensical doesn't
make it 'not so' either.

> ...Jim Thompson

James Arthur · Sep 22, 2008

On Sep 21, 10:30 am, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"James Arthur" <dagmargoodb...@yahoo.com> wrote
On Sep 20, 10:15 pm, "Bob Eld" <nsmontas...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Clinton's fault? Boy there's a republican speaking. Republicans never want
to take any repsonsibility for the mess they create. What bastards. BTW do
you know who Phil Gramm is? Who are the biggest deregulators in congress?
Who championed degregulation? Which presidential candidate said, "I'm for
more deregulation"?

Don't answer. Your answers are nonsequiturs. Why don't you have your
daughter answer instead?

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

I'm not an idiot, I'm not a racist, and I'm not a Republican.
If you read the source I linked, or did a little research about
leverage ratios in the mortgage industry, or number of and default
rates for high-risk loans, maybe you /would/ understand how lax
lending standards could indeed produce the meltdown we see.

Alternatively, if the loans were not to high-risk borrowers, then why
the defaults?

Since you're so keen on categorizing and identifying everyone and
everything by race, you could research that too.

Meanwhile, here's another informed source offering much the same
analysis:

Cheers,
James Arthur

=======THE REAL SCANDAL: HOW FEDS INVITED THE MORTGAGE MESS (New York Post)
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02052008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_real_scandal_243911.htm?page=0
By STAN LIEBOWITZ

February 5, 2008

PERHAPS the greatest scandal of the mortgage crisis is that it is a
direct result of an intentional loosening of underwriting standards -
done in the name of ending discrimination, despite warnings that it
could lead to wide-scale defaults.

[...]

(Stan Liebowitz is the Ashbel Smith professor of Economics in the
Business School at the University of Texas at Dallas.)

Mike V · Sep 22, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

That's the one. Lefty, big government spending type.

Taxes uo, up, up. Government borrowing up, up, up. Funnily enough
eductation, health service etc, still no better.

And Tony's money man Grodon Brown has spent the last 9 years telling
us how wonderful he is and that he has abolished boom and bust.
Funnily enough he doesn't take any credit for the current mess.
Apparrently that's all down to you guys over the pond.

So lets talk about the national health service, paid for out of taxes,
free at the point of use.

Despite almost trebling spending since 1997, when the lefty's came to
power, there is not enough money for drugs. So NICE was created to
say which drugs the NHS could prescribe. This doesn't mean the other
drugs are not approved, they can be given by private doctors and you
pay for them.

According to the lefty's paying isn't fair, you mustn't have better
care than the rest of Jo Public. So if you pay for a neccessary drug
not available on the NHS, they say " you paid for the drugs, go pay
for the rest of your treatment."

So if you are in the position of needing a drug the NHS won't give
you, you have 2 choices. 1. Pay for all your health care, and if you
can't then die. 2. Don't have the drugs, get free health care and die
due to lack of the right drugs. We call this caring, compasionate
socialism.

About the lap dog bit. A left wing British government supports a
right wing American government in a couple of wars. It prooves that
warmongering, if that would be your choice of word, isn't a left/right
political issue.

I could start discussing how the nice lefty's have allowed mass
imigration and encouraged the ethnic and cultural minorities to live
in their own communities (ghettos), it's called multiculturism. It was
all the rage amongst lefties.

Riots errupting from these ghettos was due to us racist white guys,
that is until people from these closed communities started blowing up
London. But hey their standards aren't inferior, just different. The
bombings were probably due to a lack of virgins to go around, you can
understand that can't you?

Mike V · Sep 22, 2008

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

JosephKK · Sep 30, 2008

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:48 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

Bullshit. For real improvement exhume Jefferson or Lincoln. Their
excreta was better than Watergate Reagan.

Mike V · Sep 30, 2008

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:05:56 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:48 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

Bullshit. For real improvement exhume Jefferson or Lincoln. Their
excreta was better than Watergate Reagan.

Jefferson probably.

But Lincoln? How many died in the civil war? More than the rest of the
wars the USA have fought put together.

At least Ronnie won the cold war, beat the Soviets, not many dead.

Heinz Schmitz · Sep 30, 2008

Mike V wrote:

At least Ronnie won the cold war, beat the Soviets, not many dead.

Why not choose the guy who wrote the book?

Regards,
H.

JosephKK · Oct 2, 2008

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:43:25 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:05:56 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:48 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

Bullshit. For real improvement exhume Jefferson or Lincoln. Their
excreta was better than Watergate Reagan.

Jefferson probably.

But Lincoln? How many died in the civil war? More than the rest of the
wars the USA have fought put together.

One google puts the lie to that, search string:

"us war casualty stats"

First non-advertising hit: (Table 1)

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/american%20war%20casualty.htm#t1

At least Ronnie won the cold war, beat the Soviets, not many dead.

Spehro Pefhany · Oct 2, 2008

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:46:03 -0700, the renowned JosephKK
<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:43:25 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:05:56 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:48 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

Bullshit. For real improvement exhume Jefferson or Lincoln. Their
excreta was better than Watergate Reagan.

Jefferson probably.

But Lincoln? How many died in the civil war? More than the rest of the
wars the USA have fought put together.

One google puts the lie to that, search string:

"us war casualty stats"

First non-advertising hit: (Table 1)

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/american%20war%20casualty.htm#t1

I guess if you only count military deaths, and only count them on one
of the two sides, you just *might* end up with a number that's a
trifle on the low side.

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Mike V · Oct 3, 2008

On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:46:03 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:43:25 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:05:56 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:51:48 +0100, Mike V <mike@invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:49:24 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

"Mike V" <mike@invalid> wrote in message
news:33vcd4lpscbqn4fes2p43m7p89pm95edfl@4ax.com...
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:30:45 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:

Ultimately, political correctness caused it. Clinton's overzealous
attempt to bring loans to minorities--qualified or not, by way of the
changes he made under the Community Reinvestment Act--demanded that
banks adopt unsound lending practices to meet their statutory lending
quotas. That planted the seed.

Or should we say ACORN?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306544845091102

Interestingly, ACORN, a group lobbying for these inner city loans, was
represented at that time by ... Mr. Barack Obama.

Small world, isn't it?

Grins,
James Arthur

Yeah right! A trillion in bad loan debt by defaulting minorities? It's
all
due to them lousy negras and spics and gooks. That's what we republicans
say. If the loans were made to white christian folks we wouldn't have
this
problem, Huh? Only the worst kind of racist bigot (read republican) would
make such an absurd claim that the trillion dollar problem is caused by
loans to minorities, and of course, It's all Clinton's fault! Idiot.

Bob, I ain't American so don't really care about your parties.

But, the analysis in the link looks OK to an outsider. If it's wrong
offer a reasoned argument not a rant. To be honest your rant
completely undermines your case.

The analysis looks OK here because it's the sort of stupid thing Tony
Bliar and Gordon Brown have been doing over here for the last 10
years.

Oh, you mean Tony the Lap Dog, Bush's little poodle? Tell us about it.

Bob

Please don't think I have something against Democrats, some of my best
friends are Republicans

I ask you, outside of Saudi Arabia and Iran, where could you find a
politician who believes in creationism? Republicans have a religious
fanatic base almost as bad as the Ayatollahs.

To be honest I wish you yanks luck. There is no one a sane man (sorry
person, ethnic or otherwise) can vote for in November.

Bring back Reagan, his coffin could do a better job than the current
bunch.

Bullshit. For real improvement exhume Jefferson or Lincoln. Their
excreta was better than Watergate Reagan.

Jefferson probably.

But Lincoln? How many died in the civil war? More than the rest of the
wars the USA have fought put together.

One google puts the lie to that, search string:

"us war casualty stats"

First non-advertising hit: (Table 1)

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/american%20war%20casualty.htm#t1

The table states that the deaths is unionists only. Lincoln insisted
the Confederates were also part of the USA so you need to include both
sides.

Try:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm
http://www.civil-war.net/searchstates.asp?searchstates=Total

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