FAA rejects airlineâÂD™s request to hire less-exp erienced pilots...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:51:09 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 11:43:15 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 3:31:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:02:00 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 2:48:58 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 5:36:29 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 12:58:00 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:42:36 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
On Tuesday, 20 September 2022 at 02:32:44 UTC+2, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:06:28 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots
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He wasn\'t going to prevent a crash no matter what he did, especially if icing was causing his loss of airspeed. The reality is that quite a few commercial airline pilots cannot fly the aircraft manually, they are entirely dependent on automated flight control, and don\'t really understand that all too well either.
This Chinese pilot didn\'t even wait for a stall to happen:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/17/china-air-crash-that-killed-132-may-have-been-deliberate-says-us-report

There is a MAJOR difference between a pilot who commits mass suicide and an INCOMPETENT pilot.

You can\'t \"commit mass suicide\" - at least not when killing a lot people in the process of killing yourself. That\'s murder-suicide.

The people killed aren\'t going to see a lot of difference. From the public safety point of view, a pilot who is depressed enough to kill themselves and their passengers shouldn\'t have been put in control of an aircraft. Competence goes rather further than avoiding unintentional mistakes.

Hey, exactly HOW are they going to do this? You NEGLECTED to include that minor detail. Give SPECIFIC examples.

Why on earth should I? I\'ve set out the problem that needs to be solved. It\'s clear that the current arrangements are inadequate, and that the people who were paid to set them up and run them have a duty to improve them. If they haven\'t got the expertise to do that they do need to be fired and replaced by people who look as though they might. That wouldn\'t include me - I may have the systems engineer\'s knack of seeing what the problem is, but personnel selection is a different skill, and calls for people with different experience.

Simple: if you don\'t, and that\'s what you\'re saying, you are just BLOWING SMOKE with absolutely NO ANSWERS. I expect NOTHING MORE from you.

Sewage Sweeper snipped all but the first sentence of what I\'d posted, and responded to just that. His answer doesn\'t make much sense if you put back the argument that he ought to have answered.

This is the kind of \"smoke blowing\" that he goes in for all the time. If he doesn\'t like the question he edits it down to one he thinks he can answer.

Only a clown like you would ask for detailed advice from a random stranger.

No, you ARE NOT a \"random stranger\" - you put yourself out there as an expert of EVERYTHING!

Being more expert that Sewage Sweeper in specific areas isn\'t being an expert in \"everything\". It may feel like that to Sewage Sweeper who really doesn\'t know much about anything, and deludes himself about what he does think he knows.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots..
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience..

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM

You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 9/20/2022 10:08 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 10:32:44 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:06:28 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

This is a CYA response by the FAA. If your flight is canceled because a crew wasn\'t available to fly the plane you don\'t blame the FAA. But, if the flight crashes and one of the crew had a lower standard of flight hours then the FAA is on the hot seat. What is ironic is the Colgan Air crash wasn\'t because of the copilot\'s ineptness, it was because of the CAPTAIN\'s mistakes.

There\'s nothing ironic about the FAA flight hours rules putting an incompetent pilot where he could crash the plane.

The FAA clearly failed to assess the pilot correctly and failed to predict that he was going to crash a plane.

Their arse is grass. If Gnatguy once worked for them you see how they might concentrate on what a pilot used to be able to do while neglecting to pay any attention to whether they could still do it now. Gnatguy does seem to think that he still has a working brain and rejects any suggestion that the last working bits dribbled out of his ears years ago.

The co-pilot\'s pay was $16,000/year, equivalent to about 20k USD in 2022.

Back in 2009 working at Taco Bell was more lucrative than being a
co-pilot on a regional carrier in the US.

They\'re offering somewhat more money now, but there\'s still a shortage
because word is out that the regional carriers (where new pilots who
aren\'t ex-military tend to start in the US) in particular tend to treat
their employees like crap and finally have no vested interest if you go
on to become a successful pilot at a major airline or not.

Somewhat like the long-haul trucking industry in the US which is like
the Mary Kay of ground transport, they sell big dreams of being an
owner-operator someday, but the industry runs on grinding as much work
out of new hires as they can before they realize they\'ve been fed soup
about their actual prospects for advancement and what that entails,
meanwhile making sure as much of the cost of training and supplies falls
on the newbie.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 04.50.07 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM
You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

you obviously haven\'t watched any of Mentour Pilots\' videos, they are all extremely well done and researched.
he\'s a pilot that goes through the FAA/NTSB reports, watch it you might learn something ...

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:12:59 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 04.50.07 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button..

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM

You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

You obviously haven\'t watched any of Mentour Pilots\' videos, they are all extremely well done and researched.

Obviously not. I\'m not a pilot, and if I did want information on the subject I\'d look for text-based sources. Spending half an hour watching a video when I could read the same information a whole lot faster isn\'t an attractive option.

> He\'s a pilot that goes through the FAA/NTSB reports, watch it you might learn something ...

I already know Sewage Sweeper is a half-wit. I don\'t want any more information on that subject.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 13.13.00 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:12:59 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 04.50.07 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM

You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

You obviously haven\'t watched any of Mentour Pilots\' videos, they are all extremely well done and researched.

Obviously not. I\'m not a pilot, and if I did want information on the subject I\'d look for text-based sources. Spending half an hour watching a video when I could read the same information a whole lot faster isn\'t an attractive option.

Since you are not a pilot would you understand any of it?

He\'s a pilot that goes through the FAA/NTSB reports, watch it you might learn something ...

I already know Sewage Sweeper is a half-wit. I don\'t want any more information on that subject.

you don\'t want information on anything, you just want to a grumpy old fart hurling insults on the internet

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:45:37 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 13.13.00 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:12:59 PM UTC+11, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 04.50.07 UTC+1 skrev bill....@ieee.org:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM

You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

You obviously haven\'t watched any of Mentour Pilots\' videos, they are all extremely well done and researched.

Obviously not. I\'m not a pilot, and if I did want information on the subject I\'d look for text-based sources. Spending half an hour watching a video when I could read the same information a whole lot faster isn\'t an attractive option.

Since you are not a pilot would you understand any of it?

Probably. I was interested in aviation for quite a while and read Aviation Week for years.

He\'s a pilot that goes through the FAA/NTSB reports, watch it you might learn something ...

I already know Sewage Sweeper is a half-wit. I don\'t want any more information on that subject.

You don\'t want information on anything, you just want to a grumpy old fart hurling insults on the internet.

Not entirely true,. I don\'t hurl insults at random - and I do pass out the occasional word of appreciation. I have occasionally pointed out that you do know what you are talking about.

I am picky about the information I give out, and I do get irritated when people post false and misleading claims. That may be being a grumpy old fart, but I don\'t feel any urge to tolerate lying creeps.

And I have latched onto information I\'ve found here

https://www.springer.com/gp/about-springer/media/research-news/all-english-research-news/factoring-in-gravitomagnetism-could-do-away-with-dark-matter/18928150

was originally brought to our attention by Phil Hobbs, and it\'s a very interesting paper, though it hasn\'t generated the attention that it probably should have. I may be able to ask an astronomer about that next week (and may end up looking stupid in consequence).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:50:07 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM
You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.

If wiki has an article on the crash, it\'s usually definitive. You can get into the citations if you want to dig deeper. The good part is it\'s a 30 second read. A lot more economical than watching Mentour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

FAA faulted the pilot for improper response to his stall warning, but he was too low to avoid a crash anyway. Pushing the nose down and increasing thrust would have just hastened the end. The passenger \"bus\" aircraft respond really slowly to changes in engine thrust. Wing icing is what caught up with them, and they should have stayed out of that position to begin with.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 16.29.33 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:50:07 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button..

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM
You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.
If wiki has an article on the crash, it\'s usually definitive. You can get into the citations if you want to dig deeper. The good part is it\'s a 30 second read. A lot more economical than watching Mentour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

FAA faulted the pilot for improper response to his stall warning, but he was too low to avoid a crash anyway. Pushing the nose down and increasing thrust would have just hastened the end. The passenger \"bus\" aircraft respond really slowly to changes in engine thrust. Wing icing is what caught up with them, and they should have stayed out of that position to begin with.

watch the video, https://youtu.be/o6c3ENr_CRM?t=1328

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:02:36 AM UTC-5, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 16.29.33 UTC+1 skrev Fred Bloggs:
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:50:07 PM UTC-5, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:00:07 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 4:07:13 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:23:04 +1100, Sylvia Else <syl...@email.invalid
wrote:
On 20/09/2022 9:06 am, a a wrote:

FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

It was the captain who crashed Colgan Air, not the copilot. There was
some question about whether either of them belonged at the controls of
an passenger airliner at all.

The system as it stands puts a substantial barrier to entry for pilots.
There\'s a clear danger that what\'s being achieved by that is that we get
the people most strongly motivated to become airline pilots, and they
are not necessarily the people most able to be competent and safe pilots.

In accident reports, we sometimes discover that even experienced
captains were really quite marginal as pilots. We could probably do
better if we focused more on aptitude, and less on hours of experience.

Eventually computers will probably do the actual flying. The captain
will just be the exec in charge of the plane, like the captain of a
ship.

Some planes now have an emergency \"find a field and land me\" button.

Actually, the computers are doing most of the flying now - only a few minutes of the flight are under the actual control of a pilot, the rest of the flight is on autopilot. Sometimes, however, the computers give up and hand back control to the pilot, competent or not. This is EXACTLY what happened on the Colgan Air accident. The FAA changed the recurrent training of airline pilots as a result of the investigation into this accident. This is a good review of the entire event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6c3ENr_CRM
You have to be as brain-damaged as Sewage Sweeper to think that a Youtube video is a good review of any event. This seems to run for half an hour.
I wouldn\'t invest thirty seconds of my time on a recommendation of his.
If wiki has an article on the crash, it\'s usually definitive. You can get into the citations if you want to dig deeper. The good part is it\'s a 30 second read. A lot more economical than watching Mentour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

FAA faulted the pilot for improper response to his stall warning, but he was too low to avoid a crash anyway. Pushing the nose down and increasing thrust would have just hastened the end. The passenger \"bus\" aircraft respond really slowly to changes in engine thrust. Wing icing is what caught up with them, and they should have stayed out of that position to begin with.

watch the video, https://youtu.be/o6c3ENr_CRM?t=1328

I used to watch Mentour all the time. His videos are excellent. I just don\'t have the time for it.

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 20/09/2022 10:32 am, Flyguy wrote:

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:06:28 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
FAA rejects airline’s request to hire less-experienced pilots


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/faa-rejects-airlines-request-to-hire-less-experienced-pilots-01663626813?mod=mw_latestnews

This is a CYA response by the FAA. If your flight is canceled because a crew wasn\'t available to fly the plane you don\'t blame the FAA. But, if the flight crashes and one of the crew had a lower standard of flight hours then the FAA is on the hot seat. What is ironic is the Colgan Air crash wasn\'t because of the copilot\'s ineptness, it was because of the CAPTAIN\'s mistakes.

In his channel \"Fly with Magnar\" Captain Magnar has more than once
commented that it seems to be the experienced captains who are
mishandling stalls, rather than the more junior co-pilots.

Quite why this should be is unclear, unless its just that the co-pilots
were more recently flying, and (with sufficient training and
experience!) deliberately stalling, light aircraft.

Sylvia.