Expert Opinion Required !

Guest
Hello All,

I would be most grateful to receive some expert advice\opinion on the
subject of electronics education.

I'm seriously considering taking the AAS Degree program offered by CIE
( Cleveland Institute of Electronics ). As this represents a sizeable
investment in both time and money, some expert industry opinion would
be of great help.

How do you people in the industry feel about the quality of this
program as compared to say a technologists program from a community
college?

They claim that their grads are in great demand, but so do most
colleges and universities.
Has anyone hired one of their grads ( or know someone who has ), and if
so, how would you rate them against an traditional college grad ?

Lastly, is there a demand for people who specialize in micro controller
programing or PLC's?

With much thanks,
Rob M
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote (in
<He8Rd.69890$Yu.67000@fed1read01>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on
Thu, 17 Feb 2005:

Finally, there's prostitution - let's see 'em outsource that one!
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Outsourcing doesn't work, no, but in Europe there's a lot of 'in-
sourcing' - bringing the operatives to the jobs rather than the other
way round.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote (in
He8Rd.69890$Yu.67000@fed1read01>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on
Thu, 17 Feb 2005:

Finally, there's prostitution - let's see 'em outsource that one!

Outsourcing doesn't work, no, but in Europe there's a lot of 'in-
sourcing' - bringing the operatives to the jobs rather than the other
way round.
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What's sex tourism if not outsourcing?
 
Ian Stirling wrote:
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote (in
He8Rd.69890$Yu.67000@fed1read01>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on
Thu, 17 Feb 2005:


Finally, there's prostitution - let's see 'em outsource that one!

Outsourcing doesn't work, no, but in Europe there's a lot of 'in-
sourcing' - bringing the operatives to the jobs rather than the other
way round.


What's sex tourism if not outsourcing?
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Thanks, but I think I'll still prefer to 'Buy American'.

--
Luhan Monat (luhanis 'at' yahoo 'dot' com)
"The future is not what it used to be..."
http://members.cox.net/berniekm
 
In article <42150b97$1@news.cadence.com>,
Charles Edmondson <edmondson@ieee.org> wrote:
happyasaclam007@yahoo.ca wrote:

Most of these programs work at the most basic level. Their purpose is
to raise money for the schools by offering hope to lots of poor students
that they can get high paying technology jobs by taking a few courses.
Most students drop out (after paying their fees) or finish the classes
and are still flipping burgers. The ones who succeed are the ones that
already knew this stuff before going in, and just learned a little more
about what they wanted, but especially now have certification that maybe
they now know something about the field.
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I've seen this referred to as the "offishal peice of paper".
--
"Are those morons getting dumber or just louder?" -- Mayor Quimby
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:48:26 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:


Learning the teory and doing the work simultaneously is immensely
valuable, as is being aroundsome working EEs who will help expalain
the academic abstractions. I'd hire somebody like that who really
wanted to work and learn. But my car *never* gets washed.
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Hey, looks like my typing goes to hell while I'm working out with the
hand weights.

John
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHIS
landPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in <v8la11ldte7kiubgtl8q6n878uvs0do4q8@
4ax.com>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on Thu, 17 Feb 2005:

That's also true. It takes a certain kind of talent to be good at
electronics, plus a lot of learning and experience. Years to get pretty
good, for sure.
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That's why you should start before you are 10 years old.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:38:33 -0800, Luhan Monat wrote:

Ian Stirling wrote:
John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Luhan Monat <x@y.z> wrote (in
He8Rd.69890$Yu.67000@fed1read01>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on
Thu, 17 Feb 2005:


Finally, there's prostitution - let's see 'em outsource that one!

Outsourcing doesn't work, no, but in Europe there's a lot of 'in-
sourcing' - bringing the operatives to the jobs rather than the other
way round.


What's sex tourism if not outsourcing?


Thanks, but I think I'll still prefer to 'Buy American'.
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Yeah, you really have to hand it to those American whores.

Which is why so many guys prefer Asians. ;-)
 
Rich The Newsgropup Wacko wrote:
Yeah, you really have to hand it to those American whores.
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There's me thinking that was what YOU paid THEM to do.

Paul Burke
 
"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
news:05sb11ptcros75k3tlgir974puhhrkhq26@4ax.com...
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:19:10 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHIS
landPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in <v8la11ldte7kiubgtl8q6n878uvs0do4q8@
4ax.com>) about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on Thu, 17 Feb 2005:

That's also true. It takes a certain kind of talent to be good at
electronics, plus a lot of learning and experience. Years to get pretty
good, for sure.

That's why you should start before you are 10 years old.

Or, if that's too late,t before you start acting/feeling older than
about ten.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Hey Speh, you still got it!
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Harry
 
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:24:41 GMT, Harry Dellamano wrote:

You are now ready to take advanced engineering classes that you
will easily understand. Your classmates will think you are brilliant.
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Maybe so. But it's not going to make LaPlace transforms, Bessel Functions
or Maxwell's equations any easier...

Q: What's the difference between theory and Practice?

A: In theory there is no difference

Bob
 
Scott Stephens wrote:
happyasaclam007@yahoo.ca wrote:

I would be most grateful to receive some expert advice\opinion on the
subject of electronics education.

I'm seriously considering taking the AAS Degree program offered by CIE
( Cleveland Institute of Electronics ). As this represents a sizeable
investment in both time and money, some expert industry opinion would
be of great help.

How do you people in the industry feel about the quality of this
program as compared to say a technologists program from a community
college?


I forget who wrote the article in Popular or Radio Electronics decades
ago, (Lancaster?), but they said an EET degree is nearly as difficult
and will get you considerably less salary and respect, and I can only
say from what I have seen and experienced (DeVry) and other (ITT) its true.

Scott
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Hack 15.1 in http://tinaja.com/glib/hackar1.pdf .
Yes, it will be on the final.
--
Many thanks,

Don Lancaster
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
voice: (928)428-4073 email: don@tinaja.com

Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Scott Stephens
<scottxs@comcast.net> wrote (in <wYWdnQpldrXKGYTfRVn-ow@comcast.com>)
about 'Expert Opinion Required !', on Mon, 21 Feb 2005:

Perhaps I can conform to your modern world view? What do I need to think
to be "normal"?
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I wouldn't presume to say that you should conform to MY view; as Rich G
says, you have to work it out for yourself.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 19:45:11 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:48:26 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:


Learning the teory and doing the work simultaneously is immensely
valuable, as is being aroundsome working EEs who will help expalain
the academic abstractions. I'd hire somebody like that who really
wanted to work and learn. But my car *never* gets washed.


Hey, looks like my typing goes to hell while I'm working out with the
hand weights.

John
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So put the weights aside while you're typing. Pick them up again again
after hitting "send". :)

- YD.

--
Remove HAT if replying by mail.
 
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:13:54 -0600, Scott Stephens
<scottxs@comcast.net> wrote:

The tech-school fast-track should only be taken by those who dare to bet
their lives! But we're all dead in the long run, so let's rock & roll!
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Going to a serious university is a pretty big bet too, bigger because
of the time and expense and difficulty, and because it pitts one
against the best and brightest from around the world. Most anybody
reasonably bright can get an associates degree, and that's fine if
that's what you want to do.

I went to an easy school, Tulane, noted for outrageous partying and
the Gentleman's C, which requires showing up for Finals and not
getting the Dean's daughter into trouble. But read something like "The
Idea Factory" or "Up The Infinite Corridor" about what a serious
engineering education is like, and why places like MIT produce so many
brilliant scientists and engineers and so many suicides.

John
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:45:06 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:24:53 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
....
Hits the floor, breaks both legs, survives ;-)

Then there's the cyanide-in-the-tea-guy, terrible gurgling noises
while you're trying to break down his door :-(

Some dude offed himself with a shotgun 5 or 6 floors up in my
residence- the janitors had to haul quite a few buckets of pink water
to remediate that mess.
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Eww. One of the guys in my dorm was in Mort.Sci., and described
picking up after a shotgun suicide while an intern. In graphic
detail.

Apparently, blasted brains are as hard to pick up as egg whites.

I have to go throw up now.

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:20 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
....
brilliant scientists and engineers and so many suicides.
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Well, after all, suicide _is_ the sincerest form of self-
criticism.

Cheers!
Rich
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:10:59 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:30:02 -0600, the renowned Scott Stephens
scottxs@comcast.net> wrote:

Rich Grise wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:45:20 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
...

brilliant scientists and engineers and so many suicides.



Well, after all, suicide _is_ the sincerest form of self-
criticism.

It may also be the sincerest expression of contempt for one's world and
value for self.

Scott

Or minimizing the pain function.
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....and forcing that pain on others, multiplied. Only the ultimate cowards
would go there.

--
Keith
 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:04:19 -0500, keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

Not funny at all. The fact is that the schools are failing, but even
motivated students can excell in failing schools.
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My kid went to public schools here in San Francisco from K through 9th
grade. I expected the worst here in fruits-and-nuts land, but was
surprised at how good all the schools and nearly all the teachers
were. She's no braniac, but went on to a tough Jesuit high school and
held her own, and now she's doing OK at Cornell (made the softball
team as a walkon, and has her own Big Red web page!)

I guess there are bad public schools, but that's not my experience. It
would be interesting to get observations from other people and places.

John
 
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:08:06 -0800, Charles Edmondson wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:22:06 -0600, Scott Stephens
But no doubt the worthless 3rd generation aristocrats select the best
and brightest peasants they can find to hide themselves among.

Ooh, do I detect a hint of bitterness?

Yes, but that can help...

A decade ago I decided to go back and get an engineering degree. I had
a BS in psychology, so wanted to get a BS in EE. No Can Do! I tried
every decent college in southern California (wanted to go to UCSB) but
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University of California, Seventeenth and Bristol?

;-D
Rich
 
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