J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Rod Speed wrote:
/BAH
What nukes?
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Rod Speed wrote:
/BAH
of reality.
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
/BAH
But that's not acceptable; these people want it all for free.
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Paul Ciszek wrote:
/BAH
technology is not lost.
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Rob Dekker wrote:
wire spools?
as free energy.
Every hare-brained idea in this newsgroup is based on the goal of
producing energy for all demands forever at no cost and no
side-effects.
/BAH
Coal will never be phased out in any foreseeable future.
Then you didn't manufacture the components. did the company buy theGo work in a wire manufacturing factory for a while.
I actually did. Worked in a high-voltage cable manufacturing plant in the Netherlands
for a while. It was pretty clean there)
wire spools?
There is no such thing as clean energy. There is also no such thing
as free energy.
Every hare-brained idea in this newsgroup is based on the goal of
producing energy for all demands forever at no cost and no
side-effects.
/BAH
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Dean Hoffman
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jmfbahciv wrote:
rested at the end of the field. I guess mules could plug along all
day. I'm not sure why horses were the preferred choice.
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My dad talked about using horses and mules. Horses had to be
rested at the end of the field. I guess mules could plug along all
day. I'm not sure why horses were the preferred choice.
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Rod Speed wrote:
<snip repetitive answers assuming biodiesel is The Answer to life,
the universe and everything>
You are wrong. My sister has halved the feed for her animals because
of the small increase of bio-fuels' grain demand. Do you want to
eat or start your car every morning?
/BAH
<snip repetitive answers assuming biodiesel is The Answer to life,
the universe and everything>
You are wrong. My sister has halved the feed for her animals because
of the small increase of bio-fuels' grain demand. Do you want to
eat or start your car every morning?
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Rod Speed wrote:
Bush? No Democrat will even say those words with an not before
it.
/BAH
swear words "build more nuclear powered plants" is President
Bush? No Democrat will even say those words with an not before
it.
/BAH
J
jmfbahciv
Guest
Dean Hoffman > wrote:
mules. I don't remember seeing any oxen on the farms where I
grew up.
Well, this thread has been worth something; it's caused me to
reexamine one of my hidden assumptions.
I don't know anything about caring for oxen; is it similar to cows?
/BAH
Yup. The same was true in my area. The horses were bigger than
mules. I don't remember seeing any oxen on the farms where I
grew up.
Well, this thread has been worth something; it's caused me to
reexamine one of my hidden assumptions
.I don't know anything about caring for oxen; is it similar to cows?
/BAH
T
terryc
Guest
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:03:19 -0400, jmfbahciv wrote:
i suspect speed. Remember also that oxen tended to come in one overall,
but horses came in a number of sizes for the different purposes.
Could have also been the preference for the area, e.g almosat all
logging teams were oxen in my areas. rarely a horse team.
You can eat oxen.
i suspect speed. Remember also that oxen tended to come in one overall,
but horses came in a number of sizes for the different purposes.
Could have also been the preference for the area, e.g almosat all
logging teams were oxen in my areas. rarely a horse team.
T
terryc
Guest
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:42:48 -0400, jmfbahciv wrote:
2) They are a working beast, whereas cows generally have it easy.
1) they generally don't take kindly to being milked.
2) They are a working beast, whereas cows generally have it easy.
T
The Trucker
Guest
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:14:41 -0400, jmfbahciv wrote:
bubble. The price is still inflated and will see more downward movement
__**I THINK**__. But I admit it is a guess based on the Congress not
caving in and actually pursuing the regulation of the oil futures market.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
There is little cause and effect here. The price is down because it was a
bubble. The price is still inflated and will see more downward movement
__**I THINK**__. But I admit it is a guess based on the Congress not
caving in and actually pursuing the regulation of the oil futures market.
Energy is free. Putting it in a bottle is the hard part.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
T
The Trucker
Guest
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:15 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
costs were part of the price then biofuels would be the best current
alternative. This is true here in the USA because we actually have the
land necessary to produce that fuel and it is land that is not currently
serving any good purpose or land that is serving a purpose that is not as
environmentally and economically valid as it would be if devoted to fuel
production. An example of this latter case is the production of paper
that ends up in the land fills as trash. We could do with a bit less
paper and use the pulp trees to make fuel. That is probably a good trade.
the weight is not all that bad for the energy content. The photosynthesis
is a the way you charge the battery. We need better algae that can get
20% efficiency as opposed to 8%. There was some promising research on
this and some folks observing less than 8 photons to cause proper
reactions and then .... nothing. There were some dudes shifting light
wavelengths from blue to yellow red and that seems to have gone also.
Nothing is happening that I can find.
How do I search (like google) the patent data to find stuff like this?
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
The external costs of the fuel do not appear in the price. And if these
costs were part of the price then biofuels would be the best current
alternative. This is true here in the USA because we actually have the
land necessary to produce that fuel and it is land that is not currently
serving any good purpose or land that is serving a purpose that is not as
environmentally and economically valid as it would be if devoted to fuel
production. An example of this latter case is the production of paper
that ends up in the land fills as trash. We could do with a bit less
paper and use the pulp trees to make fuel. That is probably a good trade.
And biofuels are a big part of that which fills the gap.
Biodiesel is one super duper battery. The shelf life is really good andBatteries cost ?
If you are an average American, you spend around $3,000/year in gasoline right now.
I bet that for $3,000/year you can lease a top-of-the-line battery pack. Even at current low-volume prices.
What is cheaper ?
What is cleaner ?
What is more efficient ?
What is better prepared for the post Peak-Oil era that we just entered ?
The peak oil point is always 10 years away.
That is impossible.
Oil will peak at some point if it did not already.
Hey, build yourself an electric car and save a bundle. There are lots
of conversion kits on the market.
I might just do that, although retrofits are very seldom cost-effective.
I pretty much have to throw away half the vehicle (ICE/drivetrain etc etc you know it).
And the other half (chassis) got crumbled on I 238 last week
There just aren't any good batteries.
After all we talked about, this is what you say ?
It seems to me that you have made up your mind on this subject.
Where's the great battery? I suspect a really good auto battery may be
impossible.
the weight is not all that bad for the energy content. The photosynthesis
is a the way you charge the battery. We need better algae that can get
20% efficiency as opposed to 8%. There was some promising research on
this and some folks observing less than 8 photons to cause proper
reactions and then .... nothing. There were some dudes shifting light
wavelengths from blue to yellow red and that seems to have gone also.
Nothing is happening that I can find.
How do I search (like google) the patent data to find stuff like this?
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
N
NoEinstein
Guest
On Aug 11, 12:15 pm, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
are by those who have never done a lick of work. Also, having to
"risk" one's own savings to prove a design tends to bring out a
designers smarts. Someone said: "Good ideas are a dime a dozen."
But workable, straight-forward ideas are rare indeed. NoEinstein
Dear Jim: Sadly, a high percentage of the new products being designed
are by those who have never done a lick of work. Also, having to
"risk" one's own savings to prove a design tends to bring out a
designers smarts. Someone said: "Good ideas are a dime a dozen."
But workable, straight-forward ideas are rare indeed. NoEinstein
N
NoEinstein
Guest
On Aug 13, 11:38 am, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
that also "eat" CO2. My bio-mass of choice is hemp. Such removes
several times more CO2 per acre than does a forest. The best
immediate correction of our auto emissions problems is to use
optimized engine RPMs and loads to generate electricity for driving
the vehicle. Having engines run at varying speeds is hugely
inefficient.
There are fixes for the symptoms of global warming which can buy
time to develop fuel alternatives. Battery technology that uses toxic
metals isn't environmentally friendly. One very environmentally
efficient solution is to make higher quality, longer lasting
vehicles. The energy being used to make "the latest" model is adding
nearly as much CO2 to the air as the fuels we burn. "Less is more.",
but isn't necessarily a bad way to be living! NoEinstein
Dear The Trucker: The 'up-side' of paper is that it comes from treesOn Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:15 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:01:41 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in messagenews:rja4a4h09trf53mdoh6jbjdac0pjam04pj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:17:24 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in messagenews:5r04a4d87bh0u33c9ka5ns617r62fg03tn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:28:03 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
There are just an amazing amount of new battery possibilities when vehicles
finally move away from the inefficient, polluting, and heavy ICEs, and
towards an era of clean electric drive.
Except that everything else, so far, is less efficient, more
polluting, and heavier. Not to mention way more expensive.
This is not true.
Electric drive is 4X more efficient (not even counting regenerative braking), zero-pollution at the tailpipe (it has none), and is
much lighter than an ICE.
Only if the electricity magically comes from somewhere free, and you
lug enough batteries for 20 miles of travel.
But the electricity sas to be generated somewhere, at thermal
efficiency levels. Transport, chargers, and batteries throw a bunch of
it away. Batteries are heavy and full of nasty chemicals.
More expensive ? Prototypes are always more expensive.
But let's see :
ICE : Complicated engine with lots of rotating and moving parts, with oil + water cooling system, with emission control (incl
catalytic converter with precious metals), with transmission and a differential and exhaust system and a massive amount of pipes
and sensors.
And it all works great. I can load up 200 HP-hours worth of energy in
about 2 minutes at a gas pump. That's about a 5 megawatt equivalent
charging rate. And I can drive coast-to-coast on about an hour of pit
stops.
You seem to confuse electric drive with EVs.
Electric drive with a small auxiliry power unit will give you all the benefits of the current gasoline (or another fuel)
infrastructure.
Like in the Volt (the only model with electric drive that GM actually has a plan for)....
Stuff like this has been "planned" for decades. I'll be impressed whan
quantities of them are on the road.
A plug-in hybrid does make sense for city drivers. But small, light
cars make sense no matter what propels them. A small, light
gasoline-powered car may make the most sense.
The external costs of the fuel do not appear in the price. And if these
costs were part of the price then biofuels would be the best current
alternative. This is true here in the USA because we actually have the
land necessary to produce that fuel and it is land that is not currently
serving any good purpose or land that is serving a purpose that is not as
environmentally and economically valid as it would be if devoted to fuel
production. An example of this latter case is the production of paper
that ends up in the land fills as trash. We could do with a bit less
paper and use the pulp trees to make fuel. That is probably a good trade.
Sometimes I get into my Rabbit in the morning, start it up, drive away
5 seconds later, turn on the radio and the heater, ignore the steep
hills and the cold rain, and marvel at the whole process. And that
hundreds of millions of other working people can afford to do the same
thing.
Yes. me too.
The ICE has served us greatly over the past 100 years that oil was abundant and cheap, and the engineering advances made are
magnificent.
The ICE also enabled an astounding economic growth that we (as the people of this planet) have created for ourselves.
It also created a number of really big problems, which start to become apparent, increasingly difficult and pressing as well as more
and more expensive.
More expensive for individuals, as well as nations, as well as the planet's eco systems.
It's time for change (before another 2 billion people join in our lifestyle).
Electric drive : a few melon-size electric motor/generators and a power control unit.
Add a small (40hp) auxiliry power unit and you drive a 80mpg vehicle.
Mmmm. What would be cheaper in mass production ?
What *is* cheaper?
Want to bet ?
In mass production, I want to bet that electric drive is significantly cheaper to produce than ICEs.
If electric cars are cheaper and more efficient,
why aren't they popular? Conspiracy?
John, I don't believe in conspiracies. In a free market the most cost efficient solution wins. But big changes take time.
The incentives are there now (to start moving to electric drive, away from oil and towards electricity), but only for the last
couple of years.
Also the political will to change (to start moving away from oil and fossil fuels) has not been there.
We are just getting started (with PHEVs).
This process is going to take a while (to move vehicles away from oil and towards electricity).
15-20 years is my estimate.
And biofuels are a big part of that which fills the gap.
Batteries cost ?
If you are an average American, you spend around $3,000/year in gasoline right now.
I bet that for $3,000/year you can lease a top-of-the-line battery pack. Even at current low-volume prices.
What is cheaper ?
What is cleaner ?
What is more efficient ?
What is better prepared for the post Peak-Oil era that we just entered ?
The peak oil point is always 10 years away.
That is impossible.
Oil will peak at some point if it did not already.
Hey, build yourself an electric car and save a bundle. There are lots
of conversion kits on the market.
I might just do that, although retrofits are very seldom cost-effective..
I pretty much have to throw away half the vehicle (ICE/drivetrain etc etc you know it).
And the other half (chassis) got crumbled on I 238 last week
There just aren't any good batteries.
After all we talked about, this is what you say ?
It seems to me that you have made up your mind on this subject.
Where's the great battery? I suspect a really good auto battery may be
impossible.
Biodiesel is one super duper battery. The shelf life is really good and
the weight is not all that bad for the energy content. The photosynthesis
is a the way you charge the battery. We need better algae that can get
20% efficiency as opposed to 8%. There was some promising research on
this and some folks observing less than 8 photons to cause proper
reactions and then .... nothing. There were some dudes shifting light
wavelengths from blue to yellow red and that seems to have gone also.
Nothing is happening that I can find.
How do I search (like google) the patent data to find stuff like this?
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jeffersonhttp://GreaterVoice.org/extend- Hide quoted text -
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that also "eat" CO2. My bio-mass of choice is hemp. Such removes
several times more CO2 per acre than does a forest. The best
immediate correction of our auto emissions problems is to use
optimized engine RPMs and loads to generate electricity for driving
the vehicle. Having engines run at varying speeds is hugely
inefficient.
There are fixes for the symptoms of global warming which can buy
time to develop fuel alternatives. Battery technology that uses toxic
metals isn't environmentally friendly. One very environmentally
efficient solution is to make higher quality, longer lasting
vehicles. The energy being used to make "the latest" model is adding
nearly as much CO2 to the air as the fuels we burn. "Less is more.",
but isn't necessarily a bad way to be living! NoEinstein
R
rlbell.nsuid@gmail.com
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On Aug 13, 5:42 am, jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
An ox is a steer (castrated bull) allowed to live to full growth.
Meat steers are slaughtered while still young and tender and stud
bulls are culled shortly after the onset of sexual maturity and
collection of marketable amounts of sperm. Other than the fact that
oxen are allowed to live as long as dairy cows, there is nothing to
seperate them normal cattle.
They are slower than horses, but their shoulder hump makes them
anatomically better suited to pulling, and they do have longer
endurance. They were rendered obsolete for general farm work by the
horse collar, which solved the problem of strangling horses, as horses
could also be ridden and pull carts at faster than a walking pace.
Dean Hoffman > wrote:
jmfbahciv wrote:
j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics jmfbahciv <jmfbahciv@aol> wrote:
BretCah...@peoplepc.com wrote:
The last thing my farmer relatives want to do is waste their
time refueling when doing the field work.
No one ever promised that post peak would be a rose garden.
Maybe algae diesel will work out. That's plan A.
If it doesn't then we need a plan B.
Plan C is oxen.
Nope. Horses.
Nah, lpg or synthentic fuel (whatever the feed stock).
You are assuming that there will be manufacturing and bottling
plants. I wasn't. My relatives would use horses, as they
did before, not oxen. I don't remember anybody using oxen.
I wonder why horses were the default.
/BAH
My dad talked about using horses and mules. Horses had to be
rested at the end of the field. I guess mules could plug along all
day. I'm not sure why horses were the preferred choice.
Yup. The same was true in my area. The horses were bigger than
mules. I don't remember seeing any oxen on the farms where I
grew up.
Well, this thread has been worth something; it's caused me to
reexamine one of my hidden assumptions
I don't know anything about caring for oxen; is it similar to cows?
/BAH
An ox is a steer (castrated bull) allowed to live to full growth.
Meat steers are slaughtered while still young and tender and stud
bulls are culled shortly after the onset of sexual maturity and
collection of marketable amounts of sperm. Other than the fact that
oxen are allowed to live as long as dairy cows, there is nothing to
seperate them normal cattle.
They are slower than horses, but their shoulder hump makes them
anatomically better suited to pulling, and they do have longer
endurance. They were rendered obsolete for general farm work by the
horse collar, which solved the problem of strangling horses, as horses
could also be ridden and pull carts at faster than a walking pace.
Guest
Looks like a good time to buy lot of those undervalued SUVs!
You'll make a killing when the price drops to $2.50/gallon!
Bret Cahill
T
The Trucker
Guest
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:22:56 -0700, NoEinstein wrote:
the CO2 as before. But instead of making paper we use the wood to make
cellulosic ethanol.
for a leftie.
of hybrids to come on line in due course.
ready to roll biofuels that need a decent government initiative as opposed
to oil company Republican fascism.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org/extend
You seem to misunderstand the word "trade". The trees still grow and eatOn Aug 13, 11:38 am, The Trucker <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:15 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:01:41 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in messagenews:rja4a4h09trf53mdoh6jbjdac0pjam04pj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:17:24 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
"John Larkin" <jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in messagenews:5r04a4d87bh0u33c9ka5ns617r62fg03tn@4ax.com...
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:28:03 -0700, "Rob Dekker" <r...@verific.com
wrote:
There are just an amazing amount of new battery possibilities when vehicles
finally move away from the inefficient, polluting, and heavy ICEs, and
towards an era of clean electric drive.
Except that everything else, so far, is less efficient, more
polluting, and heavier. Not to mention way more expensive.
This is not true.
Electric drive is 4X more efficient (not even counting regenerative braking), zero-pollution at the tailpipe (it has none), and is
much lighter than an ICE.
Only if the electricity magically comes from somewhere free, and you
lug enough batteries for 20 miles of travel.
But the electricity sas to be generated somewhere, at thermal
efficiency levels. Transport, chargers, and batteries throw a bunch of
it away. Batteries are heavy and full of nasty chemicals.
More expensive ? Prototypes are always more expensive.
But let's see :
ICE : Complicated engine with lots of rotating and moving parts, with oil + water cooling system, with emission control (incl
catalytic converter with precious metals), with transmission and a differential and exhaust system and a massive amount of pipes
and sensors.
And it all works great. I can load up 200 HP-hours worth of energy in
about 2 minutes at a gas pump. That's about a 5 megawatt equivalent
charging rate. And I can drive coast-to-coast on about an hour of pit
stops.
You seem to confuse electric drive with EVs.
Electric drive with a small auxiliry power unit will give you all the benefits of the current gasoline (or another fuel)
infrastructure.
Like in the Volt (the only model with electric drive that GM actually has a plan for)....
Stuff like this has been "planned" for decades. I'll be impressed whan
quantities of them are on the road.
A plug-in hybrid does make sense for city drivers. But small, light
cars make sense no matter what propels them. A small, light
gasoline-powered car may make the most sense.
The external costs of the fuel do not appear in the price. And if these
costs were part of the price then biofuels would be the best current
alternative. This is true here in the USA because we actually have the
land necessary to produce that fuel and it is land that is not currently
serving any good purpose or land that is serving a purpose that is not as
environmentally and economically valid as it would be if devoted to fuel
production. An example of this latter case is the production of paper
that ends up in the land fills as trash. We could do with a bit less
paper and use the pulp trees to make fuel. That is probably a good trade.
Sometimes I get into my Rabbit in the morning, start it up, drive away
5 seconds later, turn on the radio and the heater, ignore the steep
hills and the cold rain, and marvel at the whole process. And that
hundreds of millions of other working people can afford to do the same
thing.
Yes. me too.
The ICE has served us greatly over the past 100 years that oil was abundant and cheap, and the engineering advances made are
magnificent.
The ICE also enabled an astounding economic growth that we (as the people of this planet) have created for ourselves.
It also created a number of really big problems, which start to become apparent, increasingly difficult and pressing as well as more
and more expensive.
More expensive for individuals, as well as nations, as well as the planet's eco systems.
It's time for change (before another 2 billion people join in our lifestyle).
Electric drive : a few melon-size electric motor/generators and a power control unit.
Add a small (40hp) auxiliry power unit and you drive a 80mpg vehicle.
Mmmm. What would be cheaper in mass production ?
What *is* cheaper?
Want to bet ?
In mass production, I want to bet that electric drive is significantly cheaper to produce than ICEs.
If electric cars are cheaper and more efficient,
why aren't they popular? Conspiracy?
John, I don't believe in conspiracies. In a free market the most cost efficient solution wins. But big changes take time.
The incentives are there now (to start moving to electric drive, away from oil and towards electricity), but only for the last
couple of years.
Also the political will to change (to start moving away from oil and fossil fuels) has not been there.
We are just getting started (with PHEVs).
This process is going to take a while (to move vehicles away from oil and towards electricity).
15-20 years is my estimate.
And biofuels are a big part of that which fills the gap.
Batteries cost ?
If you are an average American, you spend around $3,000/year in gasoline right now.
I bet that for $3,000/year you can lease a top-of-the-line battery pack. Even at current low-volume prices.
What is cheaper ?
What is cleaner ?
What is more efficient ?
What is better prepared for the post Peak-Oil era that we just entered ?
The peak oil point is always 10 years away.
That is impossible.
Oil will peak at some point if it did not already.
Hey, build yourself an electric car and save a bundle. There are lots
of conversion kits on the market.
I might just do that, although retrofits are very seldom cost-effective.
I pretty much have to throw away half the vehicle (ICE/drivetrain etc etc you know it).
And the other half (chassis) got crumbled on I 238 last week
There just aren't any good batteries.
After all we talked about, this is what you say ?
It seems to me that you have made up your mind on this subject.
Where's the great battery? I suspect a really good auto battery may be
impossible.
Biodiesel is one super duper battery. The shelf life is really good and
the weight is not all that bad for the energy content. The photosynthesis
is a the way you charge the battery. We need better algae that can get
20% efficiency as opposed to 8%. There was some promising research on
this and some folks observing less than 8 photons to cause proper
reactions and then .... nothing. There were some dudes shifting light
wavelengths from blue to yellow red and that seems to have gone also.
Nothing is happening that I can find.
How do I search (like google) the patent data to find stuff like this?
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
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Dear The Trucker: The 'up-side' of paper is that it comes from trees
that also "eat" CO2.
the CO2 as before. But instead of making paper we use the wood to make
cellulosic ethanol.
People always want to do hemp because it is controversial. I figgure you
for a leftie.
Nope. Biofuels fit into the current fleet of cars and allow the new fleet
of hybrids to come on line in due course.
Yes... I have tried to name several of them and they are all currently
ready to roll biofuels that need a decent government initiative as opposed
to oil company Republican fascism.
The latest model should be a hybrid.
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of society but the people themselves; and
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Jasen Betts
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On 2008-08-13, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
little sense at all.
Bye.
Jasen
cars carying round 75% unused seating capacity on most trips make very
little sense at all.
Bye.
Jasen
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Jasen Betts
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On 2008-08-13, The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote:
Bye.
Jasen
how taking the path odf least resistance and using waste paper to make fuel?
Bye.
Jasen