Eternal-september problems...

[Rich S]

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:43:38 PM UTC, Ricky wrote:

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 1:00:53 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:00 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek

ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/eternal-september.org

Says it\'s down and I\'m not getting new massages, but maybe it\'s my Thunderbird problem.
Mikek

Is Eternal-september.org down?
Checking if eternal-september.org is down or it is just you...
It\'s just you. eternal-september.org is up.

Try https://www.eternal-september.org/. Works fine.
Normally the browser adds all that for you. I wonder what is mucking up?

--

Rick C.

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Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS

 

[Rich S]

[snip]

Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS

ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/

 

[Rich S]

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:23:49 PM UTC, Rich S wrote:

[snip]
Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS
ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/

and links are here
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/

 

[Martin Brown]

On 07/11/2022 14:23, Rich S wrote:

[snip]
Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS
ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/

I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Rich S]

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 4:48:30 PM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:

On 07/11/2022 14:23, Rich S wrote:
[snip]
Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS
ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/
I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Hi Martin, well my situation is
I use TB setup to IMAP access to my
official work email account (g-mail)
(as I sorta hate the g-mail UI, although
g-sheets and g-docs are OK)
And also have security & VPN software
on my work PC.

At first, security SW was
blocking \"send\" email, b/c TB didnt have
\"trusted certificate\" installed for our
VPN app (Zscaler). Once I did that, it worked
for a while. Occasionally, then permanently,
TB v102 couldnt send emails. Reverting back
to 91, I can send (though sometimes have to
click twice for it to actually \"go\").
Needs further research but its time I lack...
=RS

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:52:36 PM UTC-4, Rich S wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 4:48:30 PM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/11/2022 14:23, Rich S wrote:
[snip]
Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS
ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/
I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown
Hi Martin, well my situation is
I use TB setup to IMAP access to my
official work email account (g-mail)
(as I sorta hate the g-mail UI, although
g-sheets and g-docs are OK)
And also have security & VPN software
on my work PC.

The gmail UI is terrible on my phone. It will string emails together as a conversation, but put them in oldest first order. So the way emails are often quoted conversations to begin with, means I have to wade through a ton of old stuff to find the recent email.

I never reply using the phone. I want all my correspondence in my email client on my PC. No one has ever set up a way to share sent emails with online accounts and PC clients.

At first, security SW was
blocking \"send\" email, b/c TB didnt have
\"trusted certificate\" installed for our
VPN app (Zscaler). Once I did that, it worked
for a while. Occasionally, then permanently,
TB v102 couldnt send emails. Reverting back
to 91, I can send (though sometimes have to
click twice for it to actually \"go\").
Needs further research but its time I lack...

That\'s true for us all.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Martin Brown]

On 07/11/2022 17:52, Rich S wrote:

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 4:48:30 PM UTC, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/11/2022 14:23, Rich S wrote:
[snip]
Re Thunderbird
I found reverting to version 91 solved my
issues. (91.13.1 to be exact). YMMV.
I think there are old releases on TB
website, but I looked & could find them.

The other complication I have is I must run
Portable version (from portableapps.com)
b/c its on a company PC. The file structure
is complicated.
cheers, RS
ah here it is
https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/releases/
I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Hi Martin, well my situation is
I use TB setup to IMAP access to my
official work email account (g-mail)
(as I sorta hate the g-mail UI, although
g-sheets and g-docs are OK)
And also have security & VPN software
on my work PC.

At first, security SW was
blocking \"send\" email, b/c TB didnt have
\"trusted certificate\" installed for our
VPN app (Zscaler). Once I did that, it worked
for a while. Occasionally, then permanently,
TB v102 couldnt send emails. Reverting back
to 91, I can send (though sometimes have to
click twice for it to actually \"go\").
Needs further research but its time I lack...
=RS

I have seen a similar fault where there is a secure mail server and a
not entirely valid domain is piggy backed onto it but without the
appropriate trusted certificate. You can tell TB to remember it as a
valid exception but every now and then if the server is slow to reply it
forgets and gives warnings refuses to connect requires account & pw.

If anything I\'d say the latest version is more stable in that respect.


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

The only problem I have had is if ES cannot connect (very rare), it screws up
Firefox and I have to completely erase the folder and reinstall FF.



--
MRM

 

[Pete]

On 10/11/2022 11:57 am, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

The only problem I have had is if ES cannot connect (very rare), it screws up
Firefox and I have to completely erase the folder and reinstall FF.

I\'ve had similar problems with ES in Thunderbird on multiple computers,
and I was able to fix it by completely removing the ES account
(including deleting all data) and then adding it back in again.

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

Pete <pjetson@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2022 11:57 am, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

The only problem I have had is if ES cannot connect (very rare), it
screws up Firefox and I have to completely erase the folder and
reinstall FF.

I\'ve had similar problems with ES in Thunderbird on multiple computers,
and I was able to fix it by completely removing the ES account
(including deleting all data) and then adding it back in again.

I don\'t mind the rare occasions that I have to reinstall Firefox. In fact,
Firefox often seems to get tangled in memory allocation problems and I have
to completely remove and reinstall it again.



--
MRM

 

[Ricky]

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:38:42 PM UTC-4, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

Pete <pje...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 10/11/2022 11:57 am, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

The only problem I have had is if ES cannot connect (very rare), it
screws up Firefox and I have to completely erase the folder and
reinstall FF.

I\'ve had similar problems with ES in Thunderbird on multiple computers,
and I was able to fix it by completely removing the ES account
(including deleting all data) and then adding it back in again.
I don\'t mind the rare occasions that I have to reinstall Firefox. In fact,
Firefox often seems to get tangled in memory allocation problems and I have
to completely remove and reinstall it again.

I\'ve never seen issues like that with any of the four browsers I use. If I leave them running with massive numbers of tabs open, they can get mangled and either crash or need to be killed and restarted, but nothing where I need to reinstall.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Martin Brown]

On 10/11/2022 00:57, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

I\'m on the latest 104.2.4 and haven\'t seen any major glitches with it.

I did previously see timeout problems reprompting for account name and
password with earlier versions. What problem did you encounter?

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

The only problem I have had is if ES cannot connect (very rare), it screws up
Firefox and I have to completely erase the folder and reinstall FF.

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that certain
websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is happening.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that certain
websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is happening.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html
https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to Chrome. There is
no apparent reason except they may have completed their contract with one
programming company and picked up a new one where the programmers use
Chrome commands. There is no improvement in performance.

I recently upgraded to Firefox 106.0.5. It now includes the needed Chrome
commands and is very fast, but it has a major bug. It will not clear the
cache. I had to revert back to 96.0.2.

So you have to be careful about which version you are using.


--
MRM

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-11-10 11:10, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that certain
websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is happening.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html
https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to Chrome. There is
no apparent reason except they may have completed their contract with one
programming company and picked up a new one where the programmers use
Chrome commands. There is no improvement in performance.

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly
only with specific browsers/versions are not worth their
salt. Companies that employ such web site builders aren\'t
either. Boycott them!

The web should be universal.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Martin Brown]

On 10/11/2022 10:24, Jeroen Belleman wrote:

On 2022-11-10 11:10, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that certain
websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is happening.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html
https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to Chrome.
There is
no apparent reason except they may have completed their contract with one
programming company and picked up a new one where the programmers use
Chrome commands. There is no improvement in performance.

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly
only with specific browsers/versions are not worth their
salt. Companies that employ such web site builders aren\'t
either. Boycott them!

The web should be universal.

In an ideal world that would be true!

Unfortunately you quite often have to put some custom code in to deal
with broken browsers that are in common use or you will get complaints.

Plenty of sites no longer support ancient browsers for quite small
values of old.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-11-10 13:14, Martin Brown wrote:

On 10/11/2022 10:24, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-11-10 11:10, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that
certain websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is
happening.

-- Regards, Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such
as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html


https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to
Chrome. There is no apparent reason except they may have
completed their contract with one programming company and picked
up a new one where the programmers use Chrome commands. There is
no improvement in performance.

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly only with
specific browsers/versions are not worth their salt. Companies that
employ such web site builders aren\'t either. Boycott them!

The web should be universal.

In an ideal world that would be true!

Unfortunately you quite often have to put some custom code in to deal
with broken browsers that are in common use or you will get
complaints.

Plenty of sites no longer support ancient browsers for quite small
values of old.

Yes, I know. They\'re incompetent. It\'s not that hard to make a site
that works. You *do* have to avoid a pact with the devil, I mean,
big name web authoring tools.

I built and maintain a site doing the inscription administration for
a dance club. I\'m using plenty of HTML, PHP and JavaScript, yet the
site works fine on old and new browsers of several origins, on phones,
tablets and PCs. When I discover a new incompatibility, I fix it.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly
only with specific browsers/versions are not worth their
salt. Companies that employ such web site builders aren\'t
either. Boycott them!

The web should be universal.

Jeroen Belleman

In an ideal world, that should be true. Unfortunately, that is not the
world we live in.

Many sites recognize the vast preponderance of smartphones over desktops,
and are building their sites to cater to smartphones.

Many sites automatically assume I am running on a smartphone, and do not
understand when I tell them I am running on a desktop. They don\'t even know
what that is and why I cannot do some things that smartphones do.

As far as boycotting sites, that may not be possible. Instacart and
Feastify have recently converted to Chrome. They are huge monopolies and
have no alternatives in many areas, such as mine. I am crippled from a
series of strokes and cannot walk, so I depend on their services to live.

Fortunately, there may be a glimmer of hope. Nir Sofer has been building
web utilities since the dark ages. He has a browser view utility that can
show the contents of the browser cache and delete any section or the whole
thing. This might alleviate the problem with Firefox 106 that cannot clear
the cache.

Nirsoft is available at https://www.nirsoft.net/



--
MRM

 

[Ricky]

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 8:15:39 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

On 10/11/2022 10:24, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-11-10 11:10, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that certain
websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is happening.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html
https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to Chrome.
There is
no apparent reason except they may have completed their contract with one
programming company and picked up a new one where the programmers use
Chrome commands. There is no improvement in performance.

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly
only with specific browsers/versions are not worth their
salt. Companies that employ such web site builders aren\'t
either. Boycott them!

The web should be universal.
In an ideal world that would be true!

Unfortunately you quite often have to put some custom code in to deal
with broken browsers that are in common use or you will get complaints.

Plenty of sites no longer support ancient browsers for quite small
values of old.

It\'s more they simply don\'t support HTML5. They use tools that work with extensions in Chrome, so won\'t work well with other browsers. The designers could work without the extensions, but they choose not to because they are lazy.

Meanwhile the clients don\'t know they are being short changed. But since few people use FF, it\'s not a large loss. I actually had someone in a team meeting laugh about my continued use of FF. I don\'t know of any other browser with Reader View mode.

--

Rick C.

-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Mike Monett VE3BTI]

Mike Monett VE3BTI <spamme@not.com> wrote:

As far as boycotting sites, that may not be possible. Instacart and
Feastify have recently converted to Chrome. They are huge monopolies and
have no alternatives in many areas, such as mine. I am crippled from a
series of strokes and cannot walk, so I depend on their services to live.

Fortunately, there may be a glimmer of hope. Nir Sofer has been building
web utilities since the dark ages. He has a browser view utility that can
show the contents of the browser cache and delete any section or the whole
thing. This might alleviate the problem with Firefox 106 that cannot clear
the cache.

Nirsoft is available at https://www.nirsoft.net/

Nir Sofer to the rescue. His Browser History View can erase any section or
all of the Firefox version 106 cache.

This allows me to take advantage of the speed and new features of Firefox
106, and still clear the cache at will.

He has many other utilities you might be interested in, so check him out.



--
MRM

 

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-11-10 17:24, Ricky wrote:

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 8:15:39 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 10/11/2022 10:24, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 2022-11-10 11:10, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

Boggle! I don\'t use Firefox much apart from checking that
certain websites render OK in it. I wonder how that is
happening.

-- Regards, Martin Brown

Got to be careful. Different versions are drastically
different.

I run 96.0.2 for stability, but some sites require Chrome. Such
as

https://www.instacart.ca/store/home
https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/store-details/on/midland-on0.store.html


https://feastify.com/listing-region/midland-main/

Most sites run fine on Firefox, but many are converting to
Chrome. There is no apparent reason except they may have
completed their contract with one programming company and
picked up a new one where the programmers use Chrome commands.
There is no improvement in performance.

Web site builders that make web sites that work correctly only
with specific browsers/versions are not worth their salt.
Companies that employ such web site builders aren\'t either.
Boycott them!

The web should be universal.
In an ideal world that would be true!

Unfortunately you quite often have to put some custom code in to
deal with broken browsers that are in common use or you will get
complaints.

Plenty of sites no longer support ancient browsers for quite small
values of old.

It\'s more they simply don\'t support HTML5. They use tools that work
with extensions in Chrome, so won\'t work well with other browsers.
The designers could work without the extensions, but they choose not
to because they are lazy.

Meanwhile the clients don\'t know they are being short changed. But
since few people use FF, it\'s not a large loss. I actually had
someone in a team meeting laugh about my continued use of FF. I
don\'t know of any other browser with Reader View mode.

Loads of script kiddies make it a habit to jump on the latest bandwagon,
not realizing they are being being used by the big software providers
to commercial ends. New incompatibilities are continuously invented
to push people to pay their upgrades. People don\'t even notice they
no longer own the software they buy. They only buy a license to use
it for a while.

Manufacturers of other goods are also beginning to discover that
trick. Soon it will be the same for anything with computers in it,
and they put computers in everything these days.

Jeroen Belleman