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I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/eternal-september.org
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 11:04:52 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamM...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Supernews is flakey sometimes, especially on weekends.
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is down, for 3 days now.
I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I really care about.
Thanks, Mikek
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is down, for 3 days now.
I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I really care about.
Thanks, Mikek
On 04/11/2022 14:57, Lamont Cranston wrote:
 I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now.
  I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I
really care about.
                              Thanks, Mikek
AIOE is a reasonable free option as long as you only want text groups
and can live with the handful of peculiar groups that are banned.
uk.tech.tv (was on the banned list - may still be)
I use AIOE and seldom hit the daily posting limit which I think is 50.
I have Eternal-September as a backup and I can\'t see anything wrong with
their feed at the moment (apart from a very large number of unread
threads). I haven\'t needed to use it for a couple of years...
Their feed seems to be complete up to and including all today\'s posts.
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
Mikek
On 11/4/2022 21:32, Martin Brown wrote:
On 04/11/2022 14:57, Lamont Cranston wrote:
 I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now.
  I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I
really care about.
                              Thanks, Mikek
AIOE is a reasonable free option as long as you only want text groups
and can live with the handful of peculiar groups that are banned.
uk.tech.tv (was on the banned list - may still be)
I use AIOE and seldom hit the daily posting limit which I think is 50.
I have Eternal-September as a backup and I can\'t see anything wrong
with their feed at the moment (apart from a very large number of
unread threads). I haven\'t needed to use it for a couple of years...
Their feed seems to be complete up to and including all today\'s posts.
A few days (weeks?) ago Eternal September started to ask me for username
and password every time I post. Which is not a problem for me, I rarely
post every day.
But it is a change, not sure if thunderbird or eternal september do
that, I may try to update thunderbird these days. No need for me
to investigate anyway, just reporting the change I see.
On 11/4/2022 21:32, Martin Brown wrote:
On 04/11/2022 14:57, Lamont Cranston wrote:
 I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now.
  I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I
really care about.
                              Thanks, Mikek
AIOE is a reasonable free option as long as you only want text groups
and can live with the handful of peculiar groups that are banned.
uk.tech.tv (was on the banned list - may still be)
I use AIOE and seldom hit the daily posting limit which I think is 50.
I have Eternal-September as a backup and I can\'t see anything wrong
with their feed at the moment (apart from a very large number of
unread threads). I haven\'t needed to use it for a couple of years...
Their feed seems to be complete up to and including all today\'s posts.
A few days (weeks?) ago Eternal September started to ask me for username
and password every time I post. Which is not a problem for me, I rarely
post every day.
But it is a change, not sure if thunderbird or eternal september do
that, I may try to update thunderbird these days. No need for me
to investigate anyway, just reporting the change I see.
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
On 04/11/2022 20:01, Dimiter_Popoff wrote:
On 11/4/2022 21:32, Martin Brown wrote:
On 04/11/2022 14:57, Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now.
I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and rec. are all I
really care about.
Thanks, Mikek
AIOE is a reasonable free option as long as you only want text groups
and can live with the handful of peculiar groups that are banned.
uk.tech.tv (was on the banned list - may still be)
I use AIOE and seldom hit the daily posting limit which I think is 50.
I have Eternal-September as a backup and I can\'t see anything wrong
with their feed at the moment (apart from a very large number of
unread threads). I haven\'t needed to use it for a couple of years...
Their feed seems to be complete up to and including all today\'s posts.
A few days (weeks?) ago Eternal September started to ask me for username
and password every time I post. Which is not a problem for me, I rarely
post every day.
There was a bug in TB that if the server ever says \"get lost\" or times
out it will insist on a username and password next time around.
(even if both are blank)
But it is a change, not sure if thunderbird or eternal september do
that, I may try to update thunderbird these days. No need for me
to investigate anyway, just reporting the change I see.
You can also get that if security certificates don\'t quite match.
I used to have a Teranews text groups only lifetime subscription (still
do) but that stopped working completely a few years ago.
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 3:08:58 PM UTC-4, Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
I didn\'t say anything about anyone\'s politics. I\'m talking about how he constantly moans and groans about the noise level here, while being one of the biggest noise sources. He loves nothing more than to jump into off topic threads or to go off topic within a thread. That\'s hard to deny.
But the fact remains, that many people have abandoned newsgroups because they are kludgy, while web sites are so much easier. I can\'t even use Google Groups from my phone.
On 05/11/2022 01:15, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 3:08:58 PM UTC-4, Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
I didn\'t say anything about anyone\'s politics. I\'m talking about how he constantly moans and groans about the noise level here, while being one of the biggest noise sources. He loves nothing more than to jump into off topic threads or to go off topic within a thread. That\'s hard to deny.
It\'s not hard to deny at all. I suggest you look at the last 100 or so
threads either started by him or where he comments, and you\'ll find a
lot more on topic for this NG than off topic. If I had to criticise him
for anything, It not using \"OT\" at the front of a subject when he starts
an off topic post, but then that\'s not unusual amongst OT posters in
this NG, as most of them don\'t use it.
If you think this has anything to do with his political opinions, you
need to look at bit more clearly.
But the fact remains, that many people have abandoned newsgroups because they are kludgy, while web sites are so much easier. I can\'t even use Google Groups from my phone.
That\'s more than halfway towards a contradiction in terms, apart from
being inaccurate.
Most posters here don\'t seem to have a problem with TB
or other news clients. I don\'t use GG, but I see there are quite a few
here using G2/1.0. Anyway, one thing GG doesn\'t do is access non-usenet
news servers.
Posting about technical issues is something I would like to do when I am not at my computer. Even email is a PITA on the phone. Web browsing is one thing that mostly works (other than GG for who knows what reason).
Almost anything on a smartphone is a PITA compared to doing it with a
computer. I /can/ access NGs with mine using Piaohong, but it isn\'t
anywhere near as easy as doing it with TB.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:16:03 AM UTC-4, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 05/11/2022 01:15, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 3:08:58 PM UTC-4, Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
I didn\'t say anything about anyone\'s politics. I\'m talking about how he constantly moans and groans about the noise level here, while being one of the biggest noise sources. He loves nothing more than to jump into off topic threads or to go off topic within a thread. That\'s hard to deny.
It\'s not hard to deny at all. I suggest you look at the last 100 or so
threads either started by him or where he comments, and you\'ll find a
lot more on topic for this NG than off topic. If I had to criticise him
for anything, It not using \"OT\" at the front of a subject when he starts
an off topic post, but then that\'s not unusual amongst OT posters in
this NG, as most of them don\'t use it.
You seem confused. His on topic posts don\'t excuse the contradiction in his complaining about off topic posts and his contribution to off topic posts. The same goes for his complaining about others being \"nasty\" while he, himself can be quite nasty.
If you think this has anything to do with his political opinions, you
need to look at bit more clearly.
But the fact remains, that many people have abandoned newsgroups because they are kludgy, while web sites are so much easier. I can\'t even use Google Groups from my phone.
That\'s more than halfway towards a contradiction in terms, apart from
being inaccurate.
Not at all. Google groups is one way to access newsgroups, but there are many other forums on the web that have nothing to do with newsgroups. Many, many more people use those forums than are using groups like s.e.d.
The DSP group was actually killed on Google groups because it was disused and had significant spam. The Forth programming group on GG was closed for a while until someone got it restored. Many other groups are functionally dead, such as comp.lang.vhdl, comp.arch.embedded, and many others. Although, I did get a number of replies on comp.arch.embedded to the RS-422 issue. While people are there, it just seems like no one posts anything.
Most posters here don\'t seem to have a problem with TB
or other news clients. I don\'t use GG, but I see there are quite a few
here using G2/1.0. Anyway, one thing GG doesn\'t do is access non-usenet
news servers.
Yes, most newsgroup users are using news clients. That is dinosaur stuff that keeps most engineers away. Newsgroups are dying off. This has actually been discussed here many times. I\'ve never seen anyone try to refute that.
Posting about technical issues is something I would like to do when I am not at my computer. Even email is a PITA on the phone. Web browsing is one thing that mostly works (other than GG for who knows what reason).
Almost anything on a smartphone is a PITA compared to doing it with a
computer. I /can/ access NGs with mine using Piaohong, but it isn\'t
anywhere near as easy as doing it with TB.
I\'ve thought about getting a tablet for use on the plane, but it\'s just another clumsy gadget that is an opportunity to go wrong. Android seems to be hard to learn about, or maybe it\'s just that I\'ve used Windows for 30 years. I do seem to cuss at the phone a lot more than my PC. I wonder if that\'s good for your health, or detrimental? Venting your frustrations with an outburst, vs. letting them get the better of you so you create an outburst. I really do cuss at the damn phone from time to time. It took me several minutes today to figure out how to copy a phone number of someone who sent me a phone message, or a text message (I forget which) so I could use it in the other.
On 05/11/2022 09:26, Ricky wrote:
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 4:16:03 AM UTC-4, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 05/11/2022 01:15, Ricky wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 3:08:58 PM UTC-4, Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-5, Ricky wrote:
Speaking of that, Larkin won\'t use the other groups because they won\'t tolerate his nonsense. He loves to complain about everyone else trashing the group, while he is one of the biggest offenders. He would not last 10 minutes on eevblog. I\'ve even had disagreements with Dave there, and it never gets ugly, because people are just reasonable. Larkin would be called out in an instant.
I just don\'t see that.
You might rethink that and check to see if your liberal thinking is clouding your mind, causing you to think that, just because he doesn\'t agree with your politics.
I didn\'t say anything about anyone\'s politics. I\'m talking about how he constantly moans and groans about the noise level here, while being one of the biggest noise sources. He loves nothing more than to jump into off topic threads or to go off topic within a thread. That\'s hard to deny.
It\'s not hard to deny at all. I suggest you look at the last 100 or so
threads either started by him or where he comments, and you\'ll find a
lot more on topic for this NG than off topic. If I had to criticise him
for anything, It not using \"OT\" at the front of a subject when he starts
an off topic post, but then that\'s not unusual amongst OT posters in
this NG, as most of them don\'t use it.
You seem confused. His on topic posts don\'t excuse the contradiction in his complaining about off topic posts and his contribution to off topic posts. The same goes for his complaining about others being \"nasty\" while he, himself can be quite nasty.
Let\'s see the figures for recent posts. I cleared my TB cache for s.e.d,
and asked it to download the latest 1000 posts. I then asked it to
search for \"Larkin\" in \"From\".
It found 159 matches. He initiated only three posts; they were all \"on
topic\". Of his replies, there were 92 to \"on topic\" posts, and 67 to
\"off topic\" posts.
That doesn\'t seem a particularly bad s/n ratio compared to many other
posters here.
I can\'t comment on his complaining about off-topic posts, or nasty
comments. Perhaps you can provide some Message-IDs for typical posts?
Then I can make my own mind up.
If you think this has anything to do with his political opinions, you
need to look at bit more clearly.
But the fact remains, that many people have abandoned newsgroups because they are kludgy, while web sites are so much easier. I can\'t even use Google Groups from my phone.
That\'s more than halfway towards a contradiction in terms, apart from
being inaccurate.
Not at all. Google groups is one way to access newsgroups, but there are many other forums on the web that have nothing to do with newsgroups. Many, many more people use those forums than are using groups like s.e.d.
I tend to agree with you, but that\'s because it\'s what everybody says.
I\'ve no actual figures for comparison, but according to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet#Usenet_traffic_changes>, usenet
use is still increasing, although it appears to be tailing off.
And
that\'s despite many ISPs cutting direct access to usenet. Are there any
figures for forum use? One of the advantages (disadvantages?) of usenet
is that most of it isn\'t moderated, whereas, as far as I understand, all
forum use is moderated.
The DSP group was actually killed on Google groups because it was disused and had significant spam. The Forth programming group on GG was closed for a while until someone got it restored. Many other groups are functionally dead, such as comp.lang.vhdl, comp.arch.embedded, and many others. Although, I did get a number of replies on comp.arch.embedded to the RS-422 issue.. While people are there, it just seems like no one posts anything.
Most posters here don\'t seem to have a problem with TB
or other news clients. I don\'t use GG, but I see there are quite a few
here using G2/1.0. Anyway, one thing GG doesn\'t do is access non-usenet
news servers.
Yes, most newsgroup users are using news clients. That is dinosaur stuff that keeps most engineers away. Newsgroups are dying off. This has actually been discussed here many times. I\'ve never seen anyone try to refute that.
Mozilla seems to think there is enough life in news clients to keep
developing TB. Against that is that they have merged TB with K-9 for
email use under Android, but aren\'t going to include TB\'s news client
functions.
See my comment above concerning usenet figures.
Posting about technical issues is something I would like to do when I am not at my computer. Even email is a PITA on the phone. Web browsing is one thing that mostly works (other than GG for who knows what reason).
Almost anything on a smartphone is a PITA compared to doing it with a
computer. I /can/ access NGs with mine using Piaohong, but it isn\'t
anywhere near as easy as doing it with TB.
I\'ve thought about getting a tablet for use on the plane, but it\'s just another clumsy gadget that is an opportunity to go wrong. Android seems to be hard to learn about, or maybe it\'s just that I\'ve used Windows for 30 years. I do seem to cuss at the phone a lot more than my PC. I wonder if that\'s good for your health, or detrimental? Venting your frustrations with an outburst, vs. letting them get the better of you so you create an outburst.. I really do cuss at the damn phone from time to time. It took me several minutes today to figure out how to copy a phone number of someone who sent me a phone message, or a text message (I forget which) so I could use it in the other.
I have a small (8\") tablet which was bought 6 years ago for one purpose
only - so my wife could view family posts on FB. That\'s all it is used
for now. I don\'t access FB on other devices. I can\'t stand Android; it\'s
typical of a Google OS - opaque, unhelpful, and you\'ve no idea what is
going on in the background. I can understand your copy/paste issue with
phone numbers - it\'s typical. My pet hate is why the browsers don\'t have
a \"forward\" arrow to go back to the page you\'ve just use the back arrow
on by mistake!
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:00 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/eternal-september.org
Says it\'s down and I\'m not getting new massages, but maybe it\'s my Thunderbird problem.
Mikek
Lamont Cranston wrote:
On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 10:05:00 AM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
Lamont Cranston wrote:
I have some Thunderbird email program problems, I haven\'t been able
to resolve, and then in the middle of that eternal-september.org is
down, for 3 days now. I\'m looking for free newsgroup access, sci. and
rec. are all I really care about. Thanks, Mikek
ES is working fine for me. aioe.org is also okay. (I use both of those
as well as Supernews.)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/eternal-september.org
Says it\'s down and I\'m not getting new massages, but maybe it\'s my Thunderbird problem.
Mikek
Is Eternal-september.org down?
Checking if eternal-september.org is down or it is just you...
It\'s just you. eternal-september.org is up.
Try https://www.eternal-september.org/. Works fine.