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Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
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Michael Black
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, skaggs.larry@gmail.com wrote:
20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.
And anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone left in
a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've made our choice
and lived with the lesser traffic each year.
It was so much better in the old days, when someone had to prove a need
for yet another group. It took more effort to create, but there was
reasonable certainty that it would be used if it was created. Now, any
Joe Blow can create a facebook page or a yahoo group, but that doesn't
mean it will have value. That only comes if anyone uses it, and we
aren't the ones who are going to homestead a facebook page.
YOu don't even mention a faq, which puts this new 'creation" way down.
When Sam wrote those faqs, Radio Electronics magazine liked them so much
that they made him the repair columnist for the magazine.
All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It takes
a lot more to actually make it valuable.
Michael
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Which is it, repair or design?
20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.
And anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone left in
a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've made our choice
and lived with the lesser traffic each year.
It was so much better in the old days, when someone had to prove a need
for yet another group. It took more effort to create, but there was
reasonable certainty that it would be used if it was created. Now, any
Joe Blow can create a facebook page or a yahoo group, but that doesn't
mean it will have value. That only comes if anyone uses it, and we
aren't the ones who are going to homestead a facebook page.
YOu don't even mention a faq, which puts this new 'creation" way down.
When Sam wrote those faqs, Radio Electronics magazine liked them so much
that they made him the repair columnist for the magazine.
All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It takes
a lot more to actually make it valuable.
Michael
Guest
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT), skaggs.larry@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for
socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The
newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any of
that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this newsgroup it
doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages download fast
and don't take up much room on the hard drive.
Airich
wrote:
Greetings Larry,Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for
socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The
newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any of
that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this newsgroup it
doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages download fast
and don't take up much room on the hard drive.
Airich
A
Allodoxaphobia
Guest
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:46:33 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:
Won't use facebook...
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700, <skaggs.larry@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Can't use facebook, . . . .
Won't use facebook...
R
RobertMacy
Guest
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700, <skaggs.larry@gmail.com> wrote:
Can't use facebook, LinkedIn, or any of those websites, Often, can't even
use dropbox to pickup a pic, between loading the PC with stuff, hanging,
and/or crashing our systems, given up going there. Now youtube doesn't
work, either.
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Can't use facebook, LinkedIn, or any of those websites, Often, can't even
use dropbox to pickup a pic, between loading the PC with stuff, hanging,
and/or crashing our systems, given up going there. Now youtube doesn't
work, either.
Guest
I won't even go to facebook or any of that shit to view a picture, let alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting shit site. Fuck all that.
I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.
SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".
I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.
SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".
B
Baron
Guest
etpm@whidbey.com prodded the keyboard
+1
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT), skaggs.larry@gmail.com
wrote:
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I
have started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Greetings Larry,
I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for
socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The
newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any
of that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this
newsgroup it doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages
download fast and don't take up much room on the hard drive.
Airich
+1
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
B
Baron
Guest
Michael Black prodded the keyboard
The newsgroup works very well for me ! No way am I going to use
facebook or any other social network for that matter.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, skaggs.larry@gmail.com wrote:
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I
have started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone
left in a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've
made our choice and lived with the lesser traffic each year.
All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It
takes a lot more to actually make it valuable.
Michael
The newsgroup works very well for me ! No way am I going to use
facebook or any other social network for that matter.
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
A
Adrian Tuddenham
Guest
<skaggs.larry@gmail.com> wrote:
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
I don't support spammers.
I don't support con merchants.
I don't support liars.
I don't support thieves.
I shall not be joining.
--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
I don't support spammers.
I don't support con merchants.
I don't support liars.
I don't support thieves.
I shall not be joining.
--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
Guest
I think we pretty much agree. It is just fine right here. No fuss no frills. We need that shit like a Picasso cieling and carpeted walls in a damn outhouse !
Need all that shit my ass.
Vive ala Usenet.
Someone should update the FAQ. Newcomers who are looking for files, don't waste your time. Here are some suggesrtions :
alt.sex.porn
alt.bitches.inheat
alt.oops.caughtintheactandnottheoldgrandfunkalbum.freakysex
alt.everythingyourmothereverwarnedyouabout
Hmmm. All kidding aside, just how does one go about creating a Usenet newsgroup ? Or group, because sometimes it is not the news.
???
Need all that shit my ass.
Vive ala Usenet.
Someone should update the FAQ. Newcomers who are looking for files, don't waste your time. Here are some suggesrtions :
alt.sex.porn
alt.bitches.inheat
alt.oops.caughtintheactandnottheoldgrandfunkalbum.freakysex
alt.everythingyourmothereverwarnedyouabout
Hmmm. All kidding aside, just how does one go about creating a Usenet newsgroup ? Or group, because sometimes it is not the news.
???
Guest
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.
One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.
One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.
M
Michael Black
Guest
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, mc@uga.edu wrote:
experimentation and experience that has happened on Usenet over 30 years.
"LOl", cross-posting, spamming, they were in Usenet long before these
other things arrived.
People just follow blindly, so facebook is "social media" without anyone
really looking into what that means. I would point out that when I was
trying to get groups to use the internet circa 1997, one group said "but
it's too technical" and I said "no, it's social" which certainly defines
usenet long before the carpetbaggers arrived.
If nothing else, the old spaces were defined by RFCs, and were given away,
to win success because it worked. So gopher faded away, but email still
remains, even as the younger generation wants to use twitter instead. The
old ways were about giving osmething away, to set standards. The new ways
are to build branded spaces, to win the viewership over from the
competition. Facebook doesn't really care about what your experience on
facebook is like, they only care if you leave, because then their chance
at raking in money goes away (I can't even remember if facebook is making
money yet). Their goal is not the common good, their goal is to make
money, and you are the content to lure the eyeballs to the advertising.
I have a page about upcoming local used booksales, I've been posting about
them (first to the local newsgroup, then to a webpage) since 1997. It was
part of a bigger strategy to widen the contents in the local newsgroup to
lure more people in, who in turn would share their obscure interests and
lure more people in. SOme guy putting up a webpage represents the
internet of old, doing it because they can, because it costs so little.
The new internet has yelp!, pretending to be community, yet someone is
getting rich off the free content.
IN 1996, Inet '96 met here, a confereance about the internet. A good
number of the workshops there were about "community networking", and the
fear was that all the space would be commercialized. Odd, since at that
point, commerce on the internet was a relatively new thing, while it had
been communal and cooperative for so much longer. But while commerce
can't drive out pages like mine (I pay for the space for the webpage, no
freebie for me), or usenet, commerce is so much bigger it dwarfs the good.
Few see what we were doing in the old days, few see that we still exist.
So some political group that doesn't like trucks driving around for the
purpose of showing off billboards, they can't see what's wrong with
facebook, because in all their "internet life", commerce has been here.
These are the same people who think commerce has given them "community",
ie "web 2.0", becuase they just don't know what was there before.
Michael
I would point out that so much of these newfangled things rest on all theOn Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.
One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.
experimentation and experience that has happened on Usenet over 30 years.
"LOl", cross-posting, spamming, they were in Usenet long before these
other things arrived.
People just follow blindly, so facebook is "social media" without anyone
really looking into what that means. I would point out that when I was
trying to get groups to use the internet circa 1997, one group said "but
it's too technical" and I said "no, it's social" which certainly defines
usenet long before the carpetbaggers arrived.
If nothing else, the old spaces were defined by RFCs, and were given away,
to win success because it worked. So gopher faded away, but email still
remains, even as the younger generation wants to use twitter instead. The
old ways were about giving osmething away, to set standards. The new ways
are to build branded spaces, to win the viewership over from the
competition. Facebook doesn't really care about what your experience on
facebook is like, they only care if you leave, because then their chance
at raking in money goes away (I can't even remember if facebook is making
money yet). Their goal is not the common good, their goal is to make
money, and you are the content to lure the eyeballs to the advertising.
I have a page about upcoming local used booksales, I've been posting about
them (first to the local newsgroup, then to a webpage) since 1997. It was
part of a bigger strategy to widen the contents in the local newsgroup to
lure more people in, who in turn would share their obscure interests and
lure more people in. SOme guy putting up a webpage represents the
internet of old, doing it because they can, because it costs so little.
The new internet has yelp!, pretending to be community, yet someone is
getting rich off the free content.
IN 1996, Inet '96 met here, a confereance about the internet. A good
number of the workshops there were about "community networking", and the
fear was that all the space would be commercialized. Odd, since at that
point, commerce on the internet was a relatively new thing, while it had
been communal and cooperative for so much longer. But while commerce
can't drive out pages like mine (I pay for the space for the webpage, no
freebie for me), or usenet, commerce is so much bigger it dwarfs the good.
Few see what we were doing in the old days, few see that we still exist.
So some political group that doesn't like trucks driving around for the
purpose of showing off billboards, they can't see what's wrong with
facebook, because in all their "internet life", commerce has been here.
These are the same people who think commerce has given them "community",
ie "web 2.0", becuase they just don't know what was there before.
Michael
J
josephkk
Guest
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
Yep. And about 100 more just like it plus new ones all the time.
?-(
I won't even go to facebook or any of that shit to view a picture, let alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting shit site. Fuck all that.
I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.
SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".
Yep. And about 100 more just like it plus new ones all the time.
?-(
J
josephkk
Guest
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:39:07 -0400, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.
?-)
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, skaggs.larry@gmail.com wrote:
Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Which is it, repair or design?
20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.
SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.
?-)
J
josephkk
Guest
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:05:56 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
What FAQ? SED does not have a charter either because it predates big 8.
I think we pretty much agree. It is just fine right here. No fuss no frills. We need that shit like a Picasso cieling and carpeted walls in a damn outhouse !
Need all that shit my ass.
Vive ala Usenet.
Someone should update the FAQ. Newcomers who are looking for files, don't waste your time. Here are some suggesrtions :
What FAQ? SED does not have a charter either because it predates big 8.
alt.sex.porn
alt.bitches.inheat
alt.oops.caughtintheactandnottheoldgrandfunkalbum.freakysex
alt.everythingyourmothereverwarnedyouabout
Hmmm. All kidding aside, just how does one go about creating a Usenet newsgroup ? Or group, because sometimes it is not the news.
???
A
Adrian C
Guest
On 25/07/14 02:49, mc@uga.edu wrote:
Untrue.
ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books,
particularly those stored on mobile devices.
Linkedin is the worst...
--
Adrian C
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam.
Untrue.
ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books,
particularly those stored on mobile devices.
Linkedin is the worst...
--
Adrian C
Guest
On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:02:09 AM UTC-4, Adrian C wrote:
I remain skeptical. I see all my incoming e-mail (including huge amounts that are set aside by the spam filter) and none of it is from Facebook or LinkedIn. From LinkedIn I get notifications when someone gives me an invitation or a recommendation, but I don't consider that spam -- it is notifications that I signed up for.
As I said, in my experience Facebook does not spam. Are you yourself receiving spam from Facebook? What does it say?
On 25/07/14 02:49, mc@uga.edu wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam.
Untrue.
ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books,
particularly those stored on mobile devices.
Linkedin is the worst...
I remain skeptical. I see all my incoming e-mail (including huge amounts that are set aside by the spam filter) and none of it is from Facebook or LinkedIn. From LinkedIn I get notifications when someone gives me an invitation or a recommendation, but I don't consider that spam -- it is notifications that I signed up for.
As I said, in my experience Facebook does not spam. Are you yourself receiving spam from Facebook? What does it say?
A
Adrian C
Guest
On 25/07/14 14:07, mc@uga.edu wrote:
Copied below. It's from 2007 (yikes, I hold emails & grudges that
long...) so admitedly their current policies could have changed. If ye
already have a facebook account (which I did shortly after) possibly the
messages stop then.
================
"John has:
11 friends
I've added you as a friend on Facebook...
Hi Adrian,
I've requested to add you as a friend on Facebook. You can use Facebook
to see the profiles of the people around you, share photos, and connect
with friends. Now everyone can join Facebook, even if you couldn't before.
Thanks,
John
P.S. Here's the link:
http://www.facebook.com[deleted]
This e-mail contains promotional materials. If you do not wish to
receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, click here. Facebook's
offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301"
=============
Anyone got similar after 2007?
--
Adrian C
On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:02:09 AM UTC-4, Adrian C wrote:
Linkedin is the worst...
I remain skeptical. I see all my incoming e-mail (including huge
amounts that are set aside by the spam filter) and none of it is from
Facebook or LinkedIn. From LinkedIn I get notifications when someone
gives me an invitation or a recommendation, but I don't consider that
spam -- it is notifications that I signed up for.
As I said, in my experience Facebook does not spam. Are you yourself
receiving spam from Facebook? What does it say?
Copied below. It's from 2007 (yikes, I hold emails & grudges that
long...) so admitedly their current policies could have changed. If ye
already have a facebook account (which I did shortly after) possibly the
messages stop then.
================
"John has:
11 friends
I've added you as a friend on Facebook...
Hi Adrian,
I've requested to add you as a friend on Facebook. You can use Facebook
to see the profiles of the people around you, share photos, and connect
with friends. Now everyone can join Facebook, even if you couldn't before.
Thanks,
John
P.S. Here's the link:
http://www.facebook.com[deleted]
This e-mail contains promotional materials. If you do not wish to
receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, click here. Facebook's
offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301"
=============
Anyone got similar after 2007?
--
Adrian C
B
Baron
Guest
Michael Black prodded the keyboard
Very very true !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, mc@uga.edu wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham
wrote:
Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have
obtained my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who
were foolish enough to fall for their trickery.
Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine,
Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or
whether it's really from Facebook.
One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative
reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented
after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were
perfected.
I would point out that so much of these newfangled things rest on
all the experimentation and experience that has happened on Usenet
over 30 years.
"LOl", cross-posting, spamming, they were in Usenet long before
these other things arrived.
People just follow blindly, so facebook is "social media" without
anyone
really looking into what that means. I would point out that when I
was trying to get groups to use the internet circa 1997, one group
said "but it's too technical" and I said "no, it's social" which
certainly defines usenet long before the carpetbaggers arrived.
If nothing else, the old spaces were defined by RFCs, and were given
away,
to win success because it worked. So gopher faded away, but email
still
remains, even as the younger generation wants to use twitter
instead. The
old ways were about giving osmething away, to set standards. The
new ways are to build branded spaces, to win the viewership over
from the
competition. Facebook doesn't really care about what your
experience on facebook is like, they only care if you leave, because
then their chance at raking in money goes away (I can't even
remember if facebook is making
money yet). Their goal is not the common good, their goal is to
make money, and you are the content to lure the eyeballs to the
advertising.
I have a page about upcoming local used booksales, I've been posting
about
them (first to the local newsgroup, then to a webpage) since 1997.
It was part of a bigger strategy to widen the contents in the local
newsgroup to lure more people in, who in turn would share their
obscure interests and
lure more people in. SOme guy putting up a webpage represents the
internet of old, doing it because they can, because it costs so
little. The new internet has yelp!, pretending to be community, yet
someone is getting rich off the free content.
IN 1996, Inet '96 met here, a confereance about the internet. A
good number of the workshops there were about "community
networking", and the
fear was that all the space would be commercialized. Odd, since at
that point, commerce on the internet was a relatively new thing,
while it had
been communal and cooperative for so much longer. But while
commerce can't drive out pages like mine (I pay for the space for
the webpage, no freebie for me), or usenet, commerce is so much
bigger it dwarfs the good. Few see what we were doing in the old
days, few see that we still exist. So some political group that
doesn't like trucks driving around for the purpose of showing off
billboards, they can't see what's wrong with facebook, because in
all their "internet life", commerce has been here. These are the
same people who think commerce has given them "community", ie "web
2.0", becuase they just don't know what was there before.
Michael
Very very true !
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
M
Michael Black
Guest
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, josephkk wrote:
there was only sci.electronics and sci.electronics.repair
Michael
I remember when the split happened. SOmetime in 1995. Before that point,On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:05:56 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
I think we pretty much agree. It is just fine right here. No fuss no frills. We need that shit like a Picasso cieling and carpeted walls in a damn outhouse !
Need all that shit my ass.
Vive ala Usenet.
Someone should update the FAQ. Newcomers who are looking for files, don't waste your time. Here are some suggesrtions :
What FAQ? SED does not have a charter either because it predates big 8.
there was only sci.electronics and sci.electronics.repair
Michael
alt.sex.porn
alt.bitches.inheat
alt.oops.caughtintheactandnottheoldgrandfunkalbum.freakysex
alt.everythingyourmothereverwarnedyouabout
Hmmm. All kidding aside, just how does one go about creating a Usenet newsgroup ? Or group, because sometimes it is not the news.
???