Electric Energy Economizer !!

[Economic Systems]

Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny

 

[Miles]

If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...

Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny

 

[bushbadee]

it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...

If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny

 

[Ross Mac]

"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor correction

device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us about 12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross

 

[BFoelsch]

There are a few ways you can fool a spinning-disk wattmeter, but they fool
the meter, they don't actually reduce electrical consumption.

Most of these schemes just cause a DC current to flow througn the current
coils, which generates a DC field that acts to retard the rotation of the
disk just like the retarding magnets do. It is very hard to get enough DC to
flow, however, unless you have access to both the line and load sides of the
meter.

"Ross Mac" <this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:NBDJb.589770$0v4.23349050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system
and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in
that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor
correction
device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us about
12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power
factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that BFoelsch
<BFoelsch@snet.ditch.this.net> wrote (in <lsednZwSzrsflGqiRVn-
uQ@giganews.com&gt about 'Electric Energy Economizer !!', on Sat, 3 Jan
2004:

Most of these schemes just cause a DC current to flow througn the current
coils, which generates a DC field that acts to retard the rotation of the
disk just like the retarding magnets do. It is very hard to get enough DC to
flow, however, unless you have access to both the line and load sides of the
meter.

You can get access to both sides, with sufficient ingenuity, but you
can't hide the burn marks on the cables when you connect your frigger.
--
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[Mitchell McCreath]

There was one said device released of here. Only prob is that it sped the
meter up LOL

Regards,
Mitch

"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny

 

[Arpit]

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:11:57 GMT, "Ross Mac"
<this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> wrote:

"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor correction
device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us about 12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross

The standard rotary disk meters do a pretty damn good job of
compensating for power factor. Only instance when power factor is an
issue is in industrial applications, where you are charged a penalty
for screwing up the supply.

 

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <LgJJb.76352$aT.41939@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
mmoules@bigpond.net.au says...

There was one said device released of here. Only prob is that it sped the
meter up LOL

I guess it wasn't installed by a proper thief!

--
Keith

 

[Leon.]

"Arpit" <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:urpevv82k3r0trnb0jh762fs98hn2i8a6s@4ax.com...

On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:11:57 GMT, "Ross Mac"
this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> wrote:


"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system
and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in
that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor
correction
device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us about
12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power
factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross

No, you had a current meter, which was calibrated to read in watts.

This meant that you were paying for power you werent using IE a penalty.

Power factor correction then corrects the meter, when power factor =
1.00000 the meter shows true power. (because power is simply 240 I )

Dont know if they correct for voltage (and so the meter tells you integral
of [RMS of voltage * instantaneous current dt ] )



But you definitely had a current meter for the case the RMS of the voltage
is constant.

The standard rotary disk meters do a pretty damn good job of
compensating for power factor. Only instance when power factor is an
issue is in industrial applications, where you are charged a penalty
for screwing up the supply.

They charge the penalty by measuring current not power.

 

[Leon.]

"BFoelsch" <BFoelsch@snet.ditch.this.net> wrote in message
news:lsednZwSzrsflGqiRVn-uQ@giganews.com...

There are a few ways you can fool a spinning-disk wattmeter, but they fool
the meter, they don't actually reduce electrical consumption.

Most of these schemes just cause a DC current to flow througn the current
coils, which generates a DC field that acts to retard the rotation of the
disk just like the retarding magnets do. It is very hard to get enough DC
to
flow, however, unless you have access to both the line and load sides of
the
meter.

Is it hard to get DC to flow ?



What if we use single diode and only take power from the half wave ?
eg we take 30 amps DC for the period the voltage is above N volts.


And What if we use a full wave rectifier instead of half wave ?

What power can we draw ?
What power would the meter read ?


I think thats what he was on about . using DC... Current limit the charging
of a capacitor so that the current through the wattmeter is DC and then
run an invertor.

 

[Charles Perry]

"Leon." <noemail@noemail.noemail.com> wrote in message
news:3ff785d4@news.rivernet.com.au...
<snip>

They charge the penalty by measuring current not power.

Power meters measure watts, not amps. An induction disk meter is very good
at measuring watts, at almost any power factor. Utilities install meters on
many industrial customers that measure watts, and volt*amps (and maybe power
factor and/or vars). This is where the power factor penalty comes in.

Charles Perry P.E.

 

In misc.industry.utilities.electric Economic Systems <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote:

| I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o industrial
| use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
| displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system and
| applying it
| The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

Another illegal reactive load scam.

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[Arpit]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:17:28 +1100, "Leon."
<noemail@noemail.noemail.com> wrote:

"Arpit" <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:urpevv82k3r0trnb0jh762fs98hn2i8a6s@4ax.com...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:11:57 GMT, "Ross Mac"
this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> wrote:


"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this system
and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in
that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor
correction
device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us about
12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power
factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross


No, you had a current meter, which was calibrated to read in watts.

This meant that you were paying for power you werent using IE a penalty.

Power factor correction then corrects the meter, when power factor =
1.00000 the meter shows true power. (because power is simply 240 I )

Dont know if they correct for voltage (and so the meter tells you integral
of [RMS of voltage * instantaneous current dt ] )



But you definitely had a current meter for the case the RMS of the voltage
is constant.




The standard rotary disk meters do a pretty damn good job of
compensating for power factor. Only instance when power factor is an
issue is in industrial applications, where you are charged a penalty
for screwing up the supply.

They charge the penalty by measuring current not power.

Nope. They measure power. You arent penalised for a poor household

power factor, only industrially. I found a url which might help you
http://dansdata.com/gz028.htm

which happens to be the number one result for 'power factor' on
google.

 

[Arpit]

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 18:47:06 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that BFoelsch
BFoelsch@snet.ditch.this.net> wrote (in <lsednZwSzrsflGqiRVn-
uQ@giganews.com&gt about 'Electric Energy Economizer !!', on Sat, 3 Jan
2004:
Most of these schemes just cause a DC current to flow througn the current
coils, which generates a DC field that acts to retard the rotation of the
disk just like the retarding magnets do. It is very hard to get enough DC to
flow, however, unless you have access to both the line and load sides of the
meter.

You can get access to both sides, with sufficient ingenuity, but you
can't hide the burn marks on the cables when you connect your frigger.

and if you got access to the other side you could just connect a shunt

btw, i have 4 1inchx 1 inch cylindrical n42 neodymium magnets, im
gonna put them next to the meter now and see if it stops it, results
in a post in about 5 min

 

[Arpit]

in regards to my previous post, nope, nothing, meter keeps spinning
fast. and btw, my offpeak meter was whizzing around and pressing my
ear to the water heater i can hear buzzing, ie its on. at 4:35 pm. on
a hot day when everyone will have their air conditioners on....

 

[Rod Speed]

Arpit <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in
message news:sd9fvvc8776aqj8ac6k7n381h7ke3dr0q4@4ax.com...

my offpeak meter was whizzing around and pressing my ear
to the water heater i can hear buzzing, ie its on. at 4:35 pm.
on a hot day when everyone will have their air conditioners on....

They dont have any real option on that, they specify an arvo charge time.

 

[Arpit]

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:49:28 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Arpit <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in
message news:sd9fvvc8776aqj8ac6k7n381h7ke3dr0q4@4ax.com...

my offpeak meter was whizzing around and pressing my ear
to the water heater i can hear buzzing, ie its on. at 4:35 pm.
on a hot day when everyone will have their air conditioners on....

They dont have any real option on that, they specify an arvo charge time.

really? wow, I never knew that, I always thought it was supposed to be

at about 11 pm..... anyway, thanks for that info,

Arpit Thomas

 

[GM]

"Arpit" <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:16qfvvgi22a4t0k6pauurr4vm06bl23r8r@4ax.com...

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:49:28 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com
wrote:


Arpit <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in
message news:sd9fvvc8776aqj8ac6k7n381h7ke3dr0q4@4ax.com...

my offpeak meter was whizzing around and pressing my ear
to the water heater i can hear buzzing, ie its on. at 4:35 pm.
on a hot day when everyone will have their air conditioners on....

They dont have any real option on that, they specify an arvo charge time.

really? wow, I never knew that, I always thought it was supposed to be
at about 11 pm..... anyway, thanks for that info,

Arpit Thomas

Her comes the flame war - Rod is wrong - I should know I work for a major
supply authority in NSW and commmision and maintain frequency injection
equipment. yes - we do have scada control of frequency injection equipment
to switch off peak loads any time we like. Generally, offpeak load is left
on for the entire weekend anyway - this is why Arpits HWS is on at 4:35pm.
Regards
GM

 

[GM]

"Leon." <noemail@noemail.noemail.com> wrote in message
news:3ff785d4@news.rivernet.com.au...

"Arpit" <DONTSPAMMEF00Lneko4@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:urpevv82k3r0trnb0jh762fs98hn2i8a6s@4ax.com...
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 18:11:57 GMT, "Ross Mac"
this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> wrote:


"bushbadee" <bushbadee@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wbtJb.20877$nK2.18044@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
it doesn't work.


"Miles" <Miles_NG(RemoveThis)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ipqJb.29$9k7.14451@news.xtra.co.nz...
If this works, it amounts to theft of electricity.

"Economic Systems" <ninguna@123mail.cl> wrote in message
news:bt578b$3fofj$5@ID-174448.news.uni-berlin.de...
Hi friends:

I've developed an economizer of electrical energy for home o
industrial
use, this device causes to the electric meter that no indication
is
displayed o consumtion, there is very people has armed this
system
and
applying it
The web site with details for the assembly of this device is in:

http://members.fortunecity.com/chileno4/Ecoe.htm

Any question will be answered throught of the email indicated in
that
web
site, or writte to this mails deleting WITHOUT_THIS.

gigawattgratisWITHOUT_THIS@123mail.cl

jarayamWITHOUT_THIS@latinmail.com

Thanks, bye.

Johnny






The only device I ever saw that really worked was a power factor
correction
device (actually it did several other things). The one we tested was an
Electroflow ( http://www.electroflow.com ) and appeared to save us
about
12%
with an improvement in power quality as a bonus. It bought the power
factor
to pretty close to unity by offsetting the huge inductive loads on the
service from huge compressors and vacuums.
This thing in the OP seems to be voodoo to me!...Ross


No, you had a current meter, which was calibrated to read in watts.

This meant that you were paying for power you werent using IE a penalty.

Power factor correction then corrects the meter, when power factor =
1.00000 the meter shows true power. (because power is simply 240 I )

Dont know if they correct for voltage (and so the meter tells you integral
of [RMS of voltage * instantaneous current dt ] )



But you definitely had a current meter for the case the RMS of the
voltage
is constant.




The standard rotary disk meters do a pretty damn good job of
compensating for power factor. Only instance when power factor is an
issue is in industrial applications, where you are charged a penalty
for screwing up the supply.

They charge the penalty by measuring current not power.

Excuse me Leon, WTF is a current meter ? I have never seen one used to
measure power in 17 years of working for a supply authority.