Dyson - how to access?

[Andre]

"Mjolinor" <mjolinor@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pTE3b.92$6Z1.104418@newsfep2-gui.server.ntli.net>...

I have enforced a new policy at the company i work for - If you cannot get
a
circuit diagram or spare parts, no sale. We will not buy any third party
products for retail without a schematic or spare parts list. Surprisingly,
its usually the cheaper more reliable products that come with the
schematics
and parts lists.



I think that in the US you have better laws regarding companies obligation
to provide service data. The UK in this respect is a long way behind. I have
a Merc and there was no way I could find information about the ignition
circuit other than through the back door of a Merc dealer. While I was
trying to do this I doscovered that in the US you could buy a CD off
Mercedes with all the relevant data on for every model for $60 or so. I also
discovered that Mercedes had refused to provide this information in
Australia and the Australian government had banned the import of Mercedes
until they backed down, which they did. The UK has now introduced rules
about what they must provide in order to sell cars here but it is still a
long way behind the US and saying they will provide it doesn't mean it is
easy to get with "sorry sir, 6 months back order" or "well it should be here
by now, I'll look into it".

Same here , got a faulty ignition module .

-A

It pisses me off

 

[Andre]

"Paul Landregan" <plandregan@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bilo4u$aphq0$1@ID-198833.news.uni-berlin.de>...

that style of slit screw head, is one of many different type of
security/tamper proof bolt. There are hex with centre stud, tri wing + many
more.
A kit containing all the security type can be bought if you know where to
go.

How about Security Maglocks ? Only works if you use a special shaped
driver with a NIB magnet at its centre . Push in to engage the centre
piece, twist and pull to remove the top of the maglock . Just the
thing for "You're never getting into this" military hardware .

;-)

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..

"Spehro Pefhany" <speff@interlog.com> wrote in message
news:gmlskv03pb27f9i440lg8bb666f6k2jdgv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:01:13 GMT, the renowned "CWatters"
colin.watters@pandora.be> wrote:


"Terry Pinnell" <terrypinDELETE@dial.pipexTHIS.com> wrote in message
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I nearly blew a gasket myself on calling the UK Dyson HelpLine. I was
told "We cannot tell you how to get access...health/safety...have to
book our engineer ...

Unfortunatly this is a fact of live these days. There is no way that a
company can advise a member of the public how to gain access to a safety
hazard. Everyone from consumers to retailers demand that manufacturers
comply with international safety regs. Compliance is not just about
making a
safe product these days, you have to go to great lengths, even the
wording
of a user manual is important.

If I remember correctly the standards say that a user should not be able
to
gain access to a hazard using readily available tools (eg like a
screwdriver
to remove one screw). There has to be a secondary level of protection
like
multiple screws and or insulation on crimps etc.

If you get it wrong and someone gets hurt you get taken to court. But the
bad press is worse.

A fellow in the UK sent me a universal "wall wart" AC adapter (along
with some other stuff). It's got those huge old British style blades
and is held together with tamper-resistant screws that resemble flat
blade screws except the screwdriver blade would require a ~1mm slit in
the middle.

The replacement I bought locally has Philips style screws and is
easily opened.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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[Andre]

Sam Goldwasser <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message news:<6wptipo0ir.fsf@saul.cis.upenn.edu>...

"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandora.be> writes:

Unfortunatly this is a fact of live these days. There is no way that a
company can advise a member of the public how to gain access to a safety
hazard. Everyone from consumers to retailers demand that manufacturers
comply with international safety regs. Compliance is not just about making a
safe product these days, you have to go to great lengths, even the wording
of a user manual is important.

If I remember correctly the standards say that a user should not be able to
gain access to a hazard using readily available tools (eg like a screwdriver
to remove one screw). There has to be a secondary level of protection like
multiple screws and or insulation on crimps etc.

If you get it wrong and someone gets hurt you get taken to court. But the
bad press is worse.

So a Philips screwdriver or socket wrench isn't a "readily available tool"?
Last I checked, that's all it takes to get into a microwave oven, perhaps
THE most dangerous consumer appliance to be going inside.

LOL!

Then again, CD players use UltraSecurity (tm) Evil-Mutated-Torx . Go figure .

-A

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[CWatters]

"Sam Goldwasser" <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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So a Philips screwdriver or socket wrench isn't a "readily available
tool"?
Last I checked, that's all it takes to get into a microwave oven, perhaps
THE most dangerous consumer appliance to be going inside.

I believe they are allowed if there is more than ONE screw.

Personally I think some of the rules are a little odd.

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandora.be> writes:

"Sam Goldwasser" <sam@saul.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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So a Philips screwdriver or socket wrench isn't a "readily available
tool"?
Last I checked, that's all it takes to get into a microwave oven, perhaps
THE most dangerous consumer appliance to be going inside.

I believe they are allowed if there is more than ONE screw.

Personally I think some of the rules are a little odd.

Duh, there are 5 screws. I guess that would take too much effort. Back
to being a couch potato.

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[Fred Abse]

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:04:57 +0100, Jim Thompson wrote:

Remove that screw and your ass will fall off ;-)

ROFL!

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Then there's duct tape ...
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[Fred Abse]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:17:49 +0100, Mjolinor wrote:

I think that in the US you have better laws regarding companies
obligation to provide service data. The UK in this respect is a long way
behind. I have a Merc and there was no way I could find information
about the ignition circuit other than through the back door of a Merc
dealer.

The UK has a long tradition of passively accepting paternalism, which has
only comparatively recently started to change.

--
Then there's duct tape ...
(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 21:15:45 +0100, Fred Abse
<excretatauris@cerebrumconfus.it> wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:17:49 +0100, Mjolinor wrote:

I think that in the US you have better laws regarding companies
obligation to provide service data. The UK in this respect is a long way
behind. I have a Merc and there was no way I could find information
about the ignition circuit other than through the back door of a Merc
dealer.

The UK has a long tradition of passively accepting paternalism, which has
only comparatively recently started to change.

Have you tried purchasing a shop manual?

I can remember many years ago that I bought a '61 Renault Dauphine
manual from a company in the UK.

...Jim Thompson
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