DVD Ripoff!!!

[atec]

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:20:43 +1000, "Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com

** My "shit" is the best "shit" you will ever see - like it or
**lump** it !!!





.............. Phil


You can't polish a turd.
Ive seen cow shiite floors in Africa that shone like lino , but that's

exceptional and certainly the floor wasn't named phillup

 

[Phil Allison]

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com>

Well that explains it then....

** Sure does.



............ Phil

 

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............ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com>

boring really after a couple of months.

** Just like fucking your kid sister was - right ????




............. Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com>

Opps.

Try again-

I guessed as much BUT it's fun to play with him

** Keep your hands of it - wanker .






............ Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

mc <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au> wrote in message news:<c7p69v$ctt$1@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>...

Well I like to make few comments re prices on DVD's etc ..

I bought my DVD player (pioneer) when they were over $1000+ and DVD
titles were about 10 in any store ... the prices of DVD's were $30+ and
always more expensive than any VHS tapes .. now year laters ..plenty of
titles (even though some are 6 moths behind their first appearance in
US) ..you can buy a DVD player for as low as $50 ..But funny how the
prices of DVD's are still $30 or so ..

Does it cost that much to make them? less than a $1 for the blank and
maybe a $1 or so for the case ..where is the rest of the cost?

It can cost a lot of money to actually produce all the extra features
on DVD's.

Only the new release and special ones are $30 plus, after a short time
they drop to around the $20 mark or less. DVD's actually range from as
little as $5 upwards, with a vast number of titles around the $15-$20
range.
I rarely buy a new release DVD as I agree they are a tad expensive, so
I wait a little while until it comes on special. If I really want to
see it in the mean time then I'll hire it.

Compare your typical DVD with an audio CD - similar prices, the CD can
cost even more. Now compare the cost that goes into making a movie and
producing a DVD compared to producing a CD. The CD is clearly the
ripoff. Even the $30 DVD's are CHEAP buy comparison with what you
actually get content wise compared with a CD.

I get bevildered when you go to a store and a VHS tape of the same
movies costs less than the DVD... and somehow I am sure the process of
making that tape is more in cost than a DVD... and now the excuse cannot
be that the volume makes VHS tapes cheaper..

VHS tapes don't have the extra content that the DVD's have. In most
cases it costs a lot of money to produce these extra features on the
DVDs.

so who is pocketing all this HUUUGE difference in price by the time it
comes to your home..It certanly is not the technology? ..Press of a
button and the lates DIGITAL version of any movie can be in your home
for less than few minutes..(well depends what connection you have
..another rip off)

Yeah, but what is the quality of these pirate digital copies like? -
most likely crap and reduced sample rate etc. Not to mention it's
illegal.

I believe people that travel overses in asian counrties get pireted
copies for less than $2.50AU ..so if these pirates can make profit on
these ..where is the COST of the OFFICIAL sellers.

The pirate copies are often inferior versions, sometimes VASTLY
inferior.

sure I do acknowledge royalties ,distribution, sellers etc profits ..BUT
come on ... be a bit reasonable and do not make people so stupid ...
make your royalties, cover your costs ..but don't ripoff people..

I am sure if the price were half or less ..the volume of the movie sales
would hugely increase + the piracy etc would reduce .. No wonder some
STUPID people resort to copying them ..

Copied versions of DVD's are inferior and often take a huge amount of
time and effort. It's their problem if they want to spend hours
mucking around trying to copy one. Most people don't bother, it's not
worth it.

Also relese and region crap ..does it take 6 MONTHS for the electrons to
swin from US to AUSTRALIA .. HEY Movie makes ... IT IS 2004 not 1700's
...we do not use dingies and sail ships to float down ..there is things
called the sattelites and cables ..try using them instead ... they work
a lot faster ...

There are also DVD's which get released here first.
Many people in the US actually buy the region 4 version because they
are often technically superior to the region 1 version or have extra
features etc. I think we have it pretty good here now with region 4
versions.
But yeah, the region thing sucks, always has, always will.

Regards
Dave

 

[Spanky]

Only 59 more days of playing with him then...



"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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boring really after a couple of months.

Spanky wrote:

Opps.

Try again-

I guessed as much BUT it's fun to play with him

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I guessed as much it's fun to play with him


"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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those us with any sense plonked the tossa in the same basket as
roddles.

Spanky wrote:

Hmm, why don't I see other people defending you Phil?

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"

 

[Spanky]

Gee, what 'high quality abuse'



"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com

Opps.

Try again-

I guessed as much BUT it's fun to play with him



** Keep your hands of it - wanker .






........... Phil

 

[Uncle Chop Chop]

Copied versions of DVD's are inferior and often take a huge amount of
time and effort. It's their problem if they want to spend hours
mucking around trying to copy one. Most people don't bother, it's not
worth it.

DVD X copy reads the disc as fast as the drive can, and burns straight after
reading onto a regular 4.7gb disk, simply by removing all the extra crap
that no one ever looks at anyway. and there's no loss of picture or sound
quality.

 

[Spanky]

DVD Xcopy and DVD Shrink along with a bunch of others usually drop the bit
rate but so far I have never been able to detect a drop in visual or
acoustic quality.


"Uncle Chop Chop" <choppa@bigbong.com> wrote in message
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Copied versions of DVD's are inferior and often take a huge amount of
time and effort. It's their problem if they want to spend hours
mucking around trying to copy one. Most people don't bother, it's not
worth it.


DVD X copy reads the disc as fast as the drive can, and burns straight
after
reading onto a regular 4.7gb disk, simply by removing all the extra crap
that no one ever looks at anyway. and there's no loss of picture or sound
quality.

 

[Brian Goldsmith]

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote

Opps. Try again-

**** Yes,and again and again.perhaps you really meant " Oops"

And please stop top posting.

Brian Goldsmith.

 

[Spanky]

yes, Oops...

I'll top post if I want to, I'm sure a 2KB article wont harm the masses.



"Brian Goldsmith" <brian.goldsmith@nospamecho1.com.au> wrote in message
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"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote

Opps. Try again-

**** Yes,and again and again.perhaps you really meant " Oops"

And please stop top posting.

Brian Goldsmith.

 

[Albm&ctd]

On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:21:18 +1000, mc <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
wrote:

Well I like to make few comments re prices on DVD's etc ..

snip

I think we would all start an impressive collection of movies if the
price was $10-$15 for recent movies and $5 or less for older ones. The
point being, would the companies lose out by selling them cheap,
having a greater number of customers?
As has been mentioned the hire stores would have to reduce their
profit but having hired some that have obvious cracks and/or other
damage, I do think we would rather buy them if they were cheap enough
along with a good many other people. Who knows, the industry might
boom. At those prices, piracy would certainly get a kick in the nuts
too. I absolutely hate the way K-Mart place their prices on their DVD
racks, at least where we are they advertise a low price but it only
applies to a few titles, the rest in the rack are around $30. Those
bastards!!

Al
2004 insult page awaits your contribution
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

 

[atec]

so you enjoy punching your self in the groin then ?

Spanky wrote:

Only 59 more days of playing with him then...

"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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boring really after a couple of months.

Spanky wrote:

Opps.

Try again-

I guessed as much BUT it's fun to play with him

"Spanky" <labtecs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I guessed as much it's fun to play with him


"atec" <"atec77(notspam)"@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40A09613.40F426B8@hotmail.com...
those us with any sense plonked the tossa in the same basket as
roddles.

Spanky wrote:

Hmm, why don't I see other people defending you Phil?

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:40a08cd2$0$16470$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"

 

[atec]

as you may recall I worked away for a short while recently , I returned
with a flask of dvd.. bought at $5.00 HK , which when you buy 50 of them
is 2/3 of sfa :_)

Albm&ctd wrote:

On Tue, 11 May 2004 10:21:18 +1000, mc <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au
wrote:

Well I like to make few comments re prices on DVD's etc ..

snip

I think we would all start an impressive collection of movies if the
price was $10-$15 for recent movies and $5 or less for older ones. The
point being, would the companies lose out by selling them cheap,
having a greater number of customers?
As has been mentioned the hire stores would have to reduce their
profit but having hired some that have obvious cracks and/or other
damage, I do think we would rather buy them if they were cheap enough
along with a good many other people. Who knows, the industry might
boom. At those prices, piracy would certainly get a kick in the nuts
too. I absolutely hate the way K-Mart place their prices on their DVD
racks, at least where we are they advertise a low price but it only
applies to a few titles, the rest in the rack are around $30. Those
bastards!!

Al
2004 insult page awaits your contribution
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html

 

[Rod Speed]

mc <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au> wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote

Release DVDs of all new movies world wide and simultaneously ??

That would be the end of the cinema business.

maybe it will ...

I doubt it. It would certainly kill some of their business tho.

but also it will STOP PIRACY ..

Nope, there will always be some who prefer to get the DVD for free.

if it comes out in US and here @ the same time .. why bother
getting one from overses when you can see it here now ...

Why bother even leaving the house to buy it here when
you can have your system download it on a button click ?

The argument that some how it should be shown around the
world in some sequence is utter crap ..it is purely money making.

Sure.

and no technological feat involved .. (well maybe their
ancient distribution carriers ..boats .. are the reason)

been to cinemas lately .. take two people .. then again for
the SAME money go and buy a DVD (@ highly inflated price
of course) ..and watch it at home ..much better investment..

Sure, but some will still prefer the cinema environment.

at lest you get to watvh it few times ..

I never watch anything more than once.

Convenient to hand it on to someone else who wants to watch it tho.

If DVDs sold for only a couple of dollars
then rental shops would be out of business

Yep, but they've passed their useby date anyway.

Not interested in propping up dud operations thanks.

and film companies soon go broke.

Aghh crap ...

Someone's gotta pay the millions that
they spend to make and market the films.

why not sell them say $10 ... 1/3 off the
price ..the cost of piracy will not be worth it ..

Plenty would still pirate it if the pirate was free.

the increased volume sales will
counteract any big markup loss.

That is distinctly arguable. I find it hard to believe
that you would actually see 3 times the volume sold.

same goes for your Cinema entry fee...

Nope, I doubt they'd get 3 times the volume either.

And they'd both need 4 times the volume anyway.

There is no huge amount of money being made - tapes
and DVDs are not huge selling items as most folk rent them.

They do now. If the purchase price of a DVD was what they
currently pay to rent them, they wouldnt rent them anymore.

well maybe if they drop the price a tinge like half or 2/3 they will
..dahhh

Yeah, they certainly would if the purchase
price was the current rental price.

It aint gunna happen tho, you watch.

What might well happen is that piracy becomes rife once we
have dual layer burners available at the current burner prices.

And that will ensure that the original manufactured
DVD can never be slashed in price, just like CDs
didnt once its completely trivial to copy them.

It certanly is not the technology? ..Press of a button and the latest
DIGITAL version of any movie can be in your home for less than few
minutes..(well depends what connection you have..another rip off)

Sounds illegal.

I was talking of ABILITY to DISTRIBUTE,
the TECHNOLOGY to be able to do it.

Its basically here now with pay per view
movies on all but the transfer time.

Your local Cinema or DVD store could
have a copy as soon as they are released..

Sure, thats how newspapers are done now.

They talked about BOOKs and normal
CD's being distributed and sold like that ..

Its never amounted to much volume tho.

Largely because of the piracy problem.

even to your own computer,WHY NOT ..as long as you pay for it

Sure, and that is what is largely used now with
PC software that isnt as big as say XP or Office.

..download the lates released movies and watch them.

You can do that now, from the pirate sites.

These people are not paying any money to the movie
makers and live in a country where the cost of living
is a tiny fraction what it is in the western world.

well these are The STUPED people I was refering too ..
but are they that stupid .. or are we the ones ,...paying
exorbitant prices .. well what is your solution to stop them?
while the HUGE margin is there they will continue to do it ...

And they will continue to do so even with say 1/3 of the current margin too.

It might stop with 1/10 of the current margin, but that is
unlikely to produce anything like the current revenue stream.

And that is why they dont do it.

"mc" <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au


Well I like to make few comments re prices on DVD's etc ..


** That "newcastle.edu" worries me.........



I bought my DVD player (pioneer) when they were over $1000+ and DVD
titles were about 10 in any store ... the prices of DVD's were $30+ and
always more expensive than any VHS tapes .. now year laters ..plenty of
titles (even though some are 6 moths behind their first appearance in
US) ..you can buy a DVD player for as low as $50 ..But funny how the
prices of DVD's are still $30 or so ..




** What is the price of a cow these days ?? Not many folk know or need
to since milk is sold in bottles for a $1.50 a litre or so.

Does the analogy need to be spelt out ???



Does it cost that much to make them? less than a $1 for the blank and
maybe a $1 or so for the case ..where is the rest of the cost?



** If DVDs sold for only a couple of dollars then rental shops would be out
of business and film companies soon go broke.


I get bevildered when you go to a store and a VHS tape of the same
movies costs less than the DVD...



** The DVD has more material on it and far higher quality - you get what
you pay for.



so who is pocketing all this HUUUGE difference in price by the time it
comes to your home..



** There is no huge amount of money being made - tapes and DVDs are not
huge selling items as most folk rent them.



It certanly is not the technology? ..Press of a
button and the lates DIGITAL version of any movie can be in your home
for less than few minutes..(well depends what connection you have
..another rip off)



** Sounds illegal.



I believe people that travel overses in asian counrties get pireted
copies for less than $2.50AU ..so if these pirates can make profit on
these ..where is the COST of the OFFICIAL sellers.



** These people are not paying any money to the movie makers and live in a
country where the cost of living is a tiny fraction what it is in the
western world.



sure I do acknowledge royalties ,distribution, sellers etc profits ..



** Like hell you do.



I am sure if the price were half or less ..the volume of the movie sales
would hugely increase + the piracy etc would reduce ..



** Funny how fools always say they are "sure" about matters they really
haven't got the faintest inkling of.



No wonder some STUPID people resort to copying them ..



** He means himself.



Also release and region crap ..does it take 6 MONTHS for the electrons to
swin from US to AUSTRALIA .. HEY Movie makes ... IT IS 2004 not 1700's
...we do not use dingies and sail ships to float down ..there is things
called the sattelites and cables ..try using them instead ... they work
a lot faster ...




** Release DVDs of all new movies world wide and simultaneously ??

That would be the end of the cinema business.





........... Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Albm&ctd <alb_mandctdNOWMD@connexus.net.au>
wrote in message news:2gbs33F10u5jU2@uni-berlin.de...

mc <phmc@cc.newcastle.edu.au> wrote

Well I like to make few comments re prices on DVD's etc ..

I think we would all start an impressive collection of movies if the
price was $10-$15 for recent movies and $5 or less for older ones.

Nope, plenty dont bother with movies.

And those that do may well do that with
the dual layer burners due this year.

The point being, would the companies lose out by selling
them cheap, having a greater number of customers?

They clearly believe they would.

And they're more likely to know that we are.

As has been mentioned the hire stores would have to reduce
their profit but having hired some that have obvious cracks
and/or other damage, I do think we would rather buy them if
they were cheap enough along with a good many other people.

Sure, and its happened before. There used
to be commercial book lending librarys.

Who knows, the industry might boom.

I doubt it, basically because the market is likely at something
like capacity now. Sure, the detail would change, people
would certainly buy the DVD instead of renting it if the purchase
price was the same as the rental fee, but thats about it.

At those prices, piracy would certainly get a kick in the nuts too.

I doubt it. Particulary piracy with no loss of content or quality.

I absolutely hate the way K-Mart place their prices
on their DVD racks, at least where we are they
advertise a low price but it only applies to a few titles,
the rest in the rack are around $30. Those bastards!!

Time to get out the molotovs.