Driving Too Slow...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres....@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin....@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip

You didn\'t factor in the transportation cost of the electricity. The losses are not large, but it starts eating into the CoP margin. The real issue is the cost of the installation. A heat pump requires backup heat for when it\'s not very effective such as low temps but also for removing ice from the coils. To do that they run it in air conditioner mode and run the backup heat to keep the house from cooling off.

Actually, they don\'t or at least they don\'t have to. In Australia most
air-conditioning systems as touted as \"reverse cycle systems\". You can run
the compressor in reverse so it while it can cool the house in summer, it.

Oh really? How do they run the compressor in reverse? flip the leads? Let\'s
all take notes as the guru of heat pumps enlightens us once again.

There are all sort of options. Using a pair of valves to flip the
intakes and outlets would work. If the compressor is being spun by a
synchronous motor you could use electronics to make it spin in the
opposite direction. I haven\'t dismanted my Mitsubishi reverse cycle
air-conditioner to find out how they do it - it would invalidate my
guarantee if I did, and I don\'t really need to know. Cydrome Leader does
- he\'s advanced enough fatuous misconceptions to make it clear that he
hasn\'t got a clue.

Well, the expert has spoken. There might be a synchronous motor in the
compressor and some magic electronics to spin it the other direction.

Thinking about what the compressor has to do with the gas stream it is compressing suggests that it wouldn\'t be a good idea to run it in reverse.
The electronics to do that would be pretty trivial - you wouldn\'t need to add any extra parts or compromise the reliabilitly.

> Ignore the reversing valve I mentioned originally, that must be one of my misconceptions about parts extra parts to fail in the heating or cooling months.

Mechanical parts do fail more frequently than well-designed electronics. They do wear.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Martin Brown]

On 21/01/2022 23:31, Rick C wrote:

On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:24:41 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/01/2022 05:38, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:03:14 PM UTC-5, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 20/01/2022 11:41, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:59:11 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 20/01/2022 02:07, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 5:06:26 AM UTC-5, Martin
Brown wrote:

The *big* problem in the UK is that there are plenty of non
working chargers shown as working on the various apps! Many
tales of woe even in the south where they are relatively
plentiful. Up north you are stuffed.

The supercharging hubs they have built are unable to get
supply so are nothing more than useless boondoggles. This
one near me is useless:

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19839979.yorks-flagship-electric-vehicle-charging-hub-still-not-open/



It\'s a joke. Opening was cancelled yet again. No electricity!
(which is a bit of a serious problem for a charging
station)

The article talks about \"legal agreements\" rather than actual
access to the grid. You make it sound as if they simply don\'t
have a grid for them to connect to. Do you have more details
on just what the issue is?
Who pays for connecting it up and the supply tariffs when they
do.

Why are you asking me???

That is the answer to the question of \"why they are still not
operational?\". They cannot agree commercial contract terms between
the energy supplier and the owner of the site with the chargers
on!

I\'m sorry, you are just being silly about all this. \"Tariffs\" and
the rest of the contracts were signed before any construction was
begun. Why do you make up such things rather than just saying you
don\'t know any more details?


I\'m sorry, you are just being silly about all this. \"Tariffs\" and
the rest of the contracts were signed before any construction was
begun. Why do you make up such things?

Why don\'t you read the articles I linked to.

This one from an earlier cancellation of opening last September spells
it out in the first paragraph!

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19555455.vehicle-charging-hub-york-still-shut---no-power/

First three sentences quoted verbatim below in case it is paywalled from
outside the UK:

\"A FLAGSHIP charging centre for electric vehicles - originally due to
open on York’s outskirts in July - is still fenced off and closed
following delays in connecting it to the electricity grid.

Council officials said yesterday that they were still finalising
commercial and contractual arrangements before the York HyperHub at
Monks Cross could open later this year.

The complex, situated at the entrance to the Monks Cross Park&Ride car
park, will be one of the largest charging hubs in Northern England and
will aim to act as a demonstration of best practice for the design of EV
charging facilities.\"

I find the last paragraph particularly ironic. It still *isn\'t* open and
had another high profile *not*opening date pass very recently.

Where does that say anything about \"tariffs\"???

WTF do you think finalising commercial and contractual arrangements
means? The whole thing got bogged down because the price of electricity
was changing so fast that many suppliers were going bust.

> Do you read what you write???

Can you read?

They don\'t actually \"spell out\" anything. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" is as close as they come. That could mean anything.

It means they can\'t agree who pays for what and an acceptable tariff for
electricity supply. It is in the interests of the supplier to hold out
since the price of electricity is rising by the day.

Domestic consumers are protected (for now) by a price cap. When it runs
out in April (or their supplier goes bust) there will be a massive
readjustement of +50% perhaps more.

In the US local utility rates are regulated by local boards, usually at the state level. Generation is a competitive matter with the freedom to buy from whom you want. I don\'t know exactly how they do things in the UK, but if they didn\'t have electrical supply lined up prior to constructing the facility, that is simply incompetent program management.

Quite probably a bit of both. But as things stand UK electricity
suppliers with very few exceptions have *NO* generating capacity at all
- they are clueless middlemen billing operations. Wonderful effect of
deregulation of the electricity market.

It is roughly split into the people who make it, the regional
infrastructure operators and the people who bulk buy electricity and
sell it on. Many of the latter were also operating on the spot market
and so have been comprehensively wiped out by the gas price shocks.

If you read back though this discussion you have made unsupported statements several times and never followed through on demonstrating they are true. Now you cite an article that says what I said it said, they are finalizing \"legal agreements\", which you somehow interpret is setting tariffs, otherwise known as rates. This started with you claiming chargers were \"unable to get supply\". That\'s not the same thing as they were too incompetent to line up the electrical source before they started construction.

They remain unable to get supply. That is pretty damn fundamental.

UK electricity supply is a mess with zillions of electricity
\"suppliers\" who do nothing but bill consumers. They are going bust
at the moment left, right and centre since they have no generation
capacity and by a peculiar price cap law are forced to sell
electricity at a lower price than they are paying for it. I know
this sounds like something from \"Alice in Wonderland\" but I assure
you it is true. More than 30 UK \"electricity suppliers\" have gone
bust in the last 3 months.

I don\'t really care. Nothing to do with me or EVs.
It has everything to do with EVs. If there isn\'t enough electricity to
go around then there is no prospect of running all these EVs.

LOL!!! All this time and you have learned NOTHING about EVs. Or maybe you are just a troll. Here, one more time I will explain it to you like you are a 10 year old.

It is you who are determined to remain clueless.

> You can charge an EV from the same outlet you run your kettle on. Yup, I believe that is 3 kW which would allow you to add 120 miles in a 10 hour overnight charge which would come from excess capacity. I believe it would be no problem at all to add a higher current outlet if this doesn\'t suit you, but the average daily drive is only 30 miles. I expect a 120 mile overnight charge would suit the 99.9th percentile with no added generation, transmission or distribution.

You obviously cannot do sums either.

So storage at night and usage during the day is needed, eh? How much
is the current bill for shutting plants? Maybe batteries would be
profitable? Or instead of paying them to shut down, maybe change the
billing to an increasing kWh rate with higher usage. In my home
There is a pumped storage plant in Wales - one of the biggest in the
world but it is still miniscule compared to total UK power usage.

It doesn\'t have to compare to the total generation or usage, just the amount you are saving by shutting down factories. Do you not understand what I\'m saying? If you don\'t have enough, you need to build more. If you can add storage at a cost that is less than paying people to shut down, that saves money. Isn\'t that a very simple concept?

You can\'t build enough storage to handle the high energy users. Most of
the really high power kilns run 24/7 so they need continuous supply.
Worse still much of it can be seriously damaged if dropped off supply
suddenly and kilns are allowed to cool beyond a certain point.

Australia has a battery farm somewhere that buffers peak load and is
profitable. The only one I know of in the UK is a toy near Oxford.

https://www.energy-storage.news/huge-achievement-as-50mw-battery-system-is-first-to-export-to-uk-grid-from-tertiary-connection/

The one in Australia has worked very well and I believe it was enlarged. I think other companies have also built them, but it\'s been a while, I maybe confusing this with other countries or even other continents.

It can work to handle silly dynamic spike loads like half time of the
World cup or Wimbledon for example, but they represent a drop in all the
worlds oceans when compared to the really big industrial users.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:

On 21/01/2022 23:31, Rick C wrote:
On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 6:24:41 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/01/2022 05:38, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:03:14 PM UTC-5, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 20/01/2022 11:41, Rick C wrote:
On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 3:59:11 AM UTC-5, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 20/01/2022 02:07, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 5:06:26 AM UTC-5, Martin
Brown wrote:

The *big* problem in the UK is that there are plenty of non
working chargers shown as working on the various apps! Many
tales of woe even in the south where they are relatively
plentiful. Up north you are stuffed.

The supercharging hubs they have built are unable to get
supply so are nothing more than useless boondoggles. This
one near me is useless:

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19839979.yorks-flagship-electric-vehicle-charging-hub-still-not-open/



It\'s a joke. Opening was cancelled yet again. No electricity!
(which is a bit of a serious problem for a charging
station)

The article talks about \"legal agreements\" rather than actual
access to the grid. You make it sound as if they simply don\'t
have a grid for them to connect to. Do you have more details
on just what the issue is?
Who pays for connecting it up and the supply tariffs when they
do.

Why are you asking me???

That is the answer to the question of \"why they are still not
operational?\". They cannot agree commercial contract terms between
the energy supplier and the owner of the site with the chargers
on!

I\'m sorry, you are just being silly about all this. \"Tariffs\" and
the rest of the contracts were signed before any construction was
begun. Why do you make up such things rather than just saying you
don\'t know any more details?


I\'m sorry, you are just being silly about all this. \"Tariffs\" and
the rest of the contracts were signed before any construction was
begun. Why do you make up such things?

Why don\'t you read the articles I linked to.

This one from an earlier cancellation of opening last September spells
it out in the first paragraph!

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/19555455.vehicle-charging-hub-york-still-shut---no-power/

First three sentences quoted verbatim below in case it is paywalled from
outside the UK:

\"A FLAGSHIP charging centre for electric vehicles - originally due to
open on York’s outskirts in July - is still fenced off and closed
following delays in connecting it to the electricity grid.

Council officials said yesterday that they were still finalising
commercial and contractual arrangements before the York HyperHub at
Monks Cross could open later this year.

The complex, situated at the entrance to the Monks Cross Park&Ride car
park, will be one of the largest charging hubs in Northern England and
will aim to act as a demonstration of best practice for the design of EV
charging facilities.\"

I find the last paragraph particularly ironic. It still *isn\'t* open and
had another high profile *not*opening date pass very recently.

Where does that say anything about \"tariffs\"???

WTF do you think finalising commercial and contractual arrangements
means? The whole thing got bogged down because the price of electricity
was changing so fast that many suppliers were going bust.

The article says nothing about that. Sorry, appeal rejected. Do you have any evidence of what you wrote about the issue being pricing?

See, I have a hard time imagining a business spending a boatload of money on a project before they had the details ironed out. If you don\'t know what you have to pay for electricity, you can\'t know if your venture will be profitable. Who is going to sink a couple of million dollars into a venture before they know how profitable it will be... oh, I know! The UK nuclear power industry!!! Now they are talking about making the rate payers partners, not in the profits, but in the cost overruns. Yeah, a great business community.

Do you read what you write???

Can you read?

Yes, and you have acknowledged what you claim was not written. It is you reading what is not written.

They don\'t actually \"spell out\" anything. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" is as close as they come. That could mean anything.

It means they can\'t agree who pays for what and an acceptable tariff for
electricity supply. It is in the interests of the supplier to hold out
since the price of electricity is rising by the day.

Show me how that follows? Why would anyone start construction before such fundamental details are spelled out? They wouldn\'t.

Domestic consumers are protected (for now) by a price cap. When it runs
out in April (or their supplier goes bust) there will be a massive
readjustement of +50% perhaps more.

In the US local utility rates are regulated by local boards, usually at the state level. Generation is a competitive matter with the freedom to buy from whom you want. I don\'t know exactly how they do things in the UK, but if they didn\'t have electrical supply lined up prior to constructing the facility, that is simply incompetent program management.

Quite probably a bit of both. But as things stand UK electricity
suppliers with very few exceptions have *NO* generating capacity at all
- they are clueless middlemen billing operations. Wonderful effect of
deregulation of the electricity market.

Not at all relevant to the issue of arranging electrical power.

It is roughly split into the people who make it, the regional
infrastructure operators and the people who bulk buy electricity and
sell it on. Many of the latter were also operating on the spot market
and so have been comprehensively wiped out by the gas price shocks.

If you read back though this discussion you have made unsupported statements several times and never followed through on demonstrating they are true. Now you cite an article that says what I said it said, they are finalizing \"legal agreements\", which you somehow interpret is setting tariffs, otherwise known as rates. This started with you claiming chargers were \"unable to get supply\". That\'s not the same thing as they were too incompetent to line up the electrical source before they started construction.

They remain unable to get supply. That is pretty damn fundamental.

So you claim. \"were still finalizing commercial and contractual arrangements\" does not imply anything about supply.

UK electricity supply is a mess with zillions of electricity
\"suppliers\" who do nothing but bill consumers. They are going bust
at the moment left, right and centre since they have no generation
capacity and by a peculiar price cap law are forced to sell
electricity at a lower price than they are paying for it. I know
this sounds like something from \"Alice in Wonderland\" but I assure
you it is true. More than 30 UK \"electricity suppliers\" have gone
bust in the last 3 months.

I don\'t really care. Nothing to do with me or EVs.
It has everything to do with EVs. If there isn\'t enough electricity to
go around then there is no prospect of running all these EVs.

LOL!!! All this time and you have learned NOTHING about EVs. Or maybe you are just a troll. Here, one more time I will explain it to you like you are a 10 year old.

It is you who are determined to remain clueless.

You can charge an EV from the same outlet you run your kettle on. Yup, I believe that is 3 kW which would allow you to add 120 miles in a 10 hour overnight charge which would come from excess capacity. I believe it would be no problem at all to add a higher current outlet if this doesn\'t suit you, but the average daily drive is only 30 miles. I expect a 120 mile overnight charge would suit the 99.9th percentile with no added generation, transmission or distribution.

You obviously cannot do sums either.

So you failed the same class since you can\'t show anything to contradict this. It is well known that for the general public, EVs are easy to keep charged and use relatively little power. As long as everyone doesn\'t start charging in the evening peak time, there\'s no undue load on the system. No new generating plants are needed. No new transmission is needed. Since the UK uses 240V and can provide a bit higher power to a standard outlet, that will adequately home charge EVs in 99.9% of cases.

Please show me I\'m wrong. How you get that extension cord to the EV is up to you. I can\'t fix all your problems.

So storage at night and usage during the day is needed, eh? How much
is the current bill for shutting plants? Maybe batteries would be
profitable? Or instead of paying them to shut down, maybe change the
billing to an increasing kWh rate with higher usage. In my home
There is a pumped storage plant in Wales - one of the biggest in the
world but it is still miniscule compared to total UK power usage.

It doesn\'t have to compare to the total generation or usage, just the amount you are saving by shutting down factories. Do you not understand what I\'m saying? If you don\'t have enough, you need to build more. If you can add storage at a cost that is less than paying people to shut down, that saves money. Isn\'t that a very simple concept?

You can\'t build enough storage to handle the high energy users. Most of
the really high power kilns run 24/7 so they need continuous supply.
Worse still much of it can be seriously damaged if dropped off supply
suddenly and kilns are allowed to cool beyond a certain point.

Even more reason to have storage. Your claim of not being able to have enough storage skirts the issue. If you are paying more to shut down the businesses than it would cost to build the storage, then build the damn storage!!! You don\'t need 24/7 storage. You only need the amount you are short of generating at peak times. Is that not clear? Think of the kettles going on at a world cup commercial. It\'s like that, but smaller.

Australia has a battery farm somewhere that buffers peak load and is
profitable. The only one I know of in the UK is a toy near Oxford.

https://www.energy-storage.news/huge-achievement-as-50mw-battery-system-is-first-to-export-to-uk-grid-from-tertiary-connection/

The one in Australia has worked very well and I believe it was enlarged.. I think other companies have also built them, but it\'s been a while, I maybe confusing this with other countries or even other continents.

It can work to handle silly dynamic spike loads like half time of the
World cup or Wimbledon for example, but they represent a drop in all the
worlds oceans when compared to the really big industrial users.

Lol! You literally can\'t follow the reasoning. Whatever. I am amazed at how the British have done so much over the centuries, but now seem to be at the end of their rope, unable to solve the simplest of problems like providing electrical power to their country. Oh, well. Another empire lost and a third world country created.

--

Rick C.

++++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:39:18 +0000, Martin Brown >
[snip]

It means they can\'t agree who pays for what and an acceptable tariff for
electricity supply. It is in the interests of the supplier to hold out
since the price of electricity is rising by the day.

Domestic consumers are protected (for now) by a price cap. When it runs
out in April (or their supplier goes bust) there will be a massive
readjustement of +50% perhaps more.

This exact same kind of thing occurred in 2000-2001 in California.

..<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2%80%9301_California_electricity_crisis>

California had price controls on the retail price of electricity, and
no limits on the wholesale price of electricity. What can go wrong?

Joe Gwinn

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

I see the van is on leveling blocks. One looks like a hose rather than an electric cord. Maybe he\'s filling a water bed.

Some people are afraid of everything. I guess that happens when you get old and everything is a fall hazard.

--

Rick C.

----- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
----- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 25. januar 2022 kl. 00.09.44 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
I see the van is on leveling blocks. One looks like a hose rather than an electric cord. Maybe he\'s filling a water bed.

I suspect it is water and electricity and someone is living in it, and the blocks is to make the floor level when parked sideways on a hill

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:34:49 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 25. januar 2022 kl. 00.09.44 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail.com:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
I see the van is on leveling blocks. One looks like a hose rather than an electric cord. Maybe he\'s filling a water bed.

I suspect it is water and electricity and someone is living in it, and the blocks is to make the floor level when parked sideways on a hill

That block has a stunning view of downtown, especially at night. I can
imagine people not looking where they are walking.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com
wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.

In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.

The answer is that around here, about half the garages are so full of
junk that no car can fit inside.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

 

[Ed Lee]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.

Leave the link for at least something like this:

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wcB

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:44:49 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 15:34:49 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
lang...@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 25. januar 2022 kl. 00.09.44 UTC+1 skrev gnuarm.del...@gmail..com:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1
I see the van is on leveling blocks. One looks like a hose rather than an electric cord. Maybe he\'s filling a water bed.

I suspect it is water and electricity and someone is living in it, and the blocks is to make the floor level when parked sideways on a hill

That block has a stunning view of downtown, especially at night. I can
imagine people not looking where they are walking.

Where I\'m from the sidewalks were built in colonial times and we still have bricks in many spots. Where they replaced the bricks with concrete it heaves from tree roots. Anyone who doesn\'t watch where they walk is asking for trouble. So too is it with life.

I\'m actually very surprised Larkin is complaining about this. It sounds more like something he would claim was a silly fear based approach to life. I wonder what Larkin would say if someone fell on this sidewalk while taking a selfie?

--

Rick C.

----+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
----+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:15:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.
Leave the link for at least something like this:

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wcB

I like the way they make it gray so it isn\'t too obvious. lol The flat I\'m in this week is actually very nice, on the town plaza, second floor with spacious rooms. The bathroom floor is raised almost an inch though and just a step function, no ramp, no marking. The first night I walked in the bathroom I actually stubbed my toe. Who expects an inch step in the bathroom??? Like the cord cover, it needs some color to make it visible. I guess you pay more attention to this stuff when you get older.

--

Rick C.

---+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
---+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:15:11 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wcB

Funny how they add these insanely long random codes to URLs. This works just as well. Anyone know what they are doing?

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411

--

Rick C.

---++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
---++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[server]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:cdauugh6aruictihj5kq4jvde2vbactqio@4ax.com:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry
Drivers and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermi
ler-11642517385

I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed
limit unknown) and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him
that i was running low on charges and won\'t make it to the charger
any faster. He escort me for a little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single
block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

The second one is not an EV. He is charging his batteries and the
second cord is to make use of power while the circuit normally
connecte to the batteries is offline.

The first one says to me that the guy stuffed his garage full of
something other than a bare spot for his car to sit on. If it is
another car, that is the one to park on the street. Unless it is a
\'fancy car\' or such.

It would seem that a structure of two beams would make a device
that carries the cord above the sidewalk and drops it down to the
car. And the top ,ount and car mount hold it rigid (enough).

I think there is a product there. Big, soft, valved suction cup
for the end that goes down to the car and a hard mounted \"jack\" up on
the wall for the top beam to \"plug\" into. One could even incorporate
the cord for specific vehicles into it. My idea. You saw and read
about it here first.

And oh looky, no longer a code violation!

 

[server]

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a68f7eb6-425d-4f32-9b30-3f45eda0c119n@googlegroups.com:

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
edward....@gmail.com

wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore
Angry Dr
ivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hy
permile
r-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway
(speed limi
t unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i
was runnin
g low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He
escort me
for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a
single block:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into
his garage to charge it.

Leave the link for at least something like this:

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?c
i_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE
:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWN
piMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wc
B

Might make code in a factory floor setting, but not on a public
walkway. It would technically be up to code, but I guarantee the
city won\'t go for it.

So as long as it is temporary and the user pulls it up when
complete, leaving no remnant, it might get \"ignored\".

Still it would be ideal to simply elevate it and fashion a device
to support the new routing out over the walkway. Still temporary
only.

Find it at Office Depot as they are closing stores and you might
find it cheaper.

 

[server]

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:40852cdd-8f75-43d7-b5e8-5c6d2f9947cbn@googlegroups.com:

snip!

I like the way they make it gray so it isn\'t too obvious. lol
The flat I\'m in this week is actually very nice, on the town
plaza, second floor with spacious rooms. The bathroom floor is
raised almost an inch though and just a step function, no ramp, no
marking. The first night I walked in the bathroom I actually
stubbed my toe. Who expects an inch step in the bathroom???
Like the cord cover, it needs some color to make it visible. I
guess you pay more attention to this stuff when you get older.

Chop a big 8 x 10 inch box out of the slab in the garage and core
drill under the walkway and exit at the curb. Put caps on it to keep
it clear when not using it. So, probably two inches would do, eh?

 

[server]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:15:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:08:34 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:00 +0000, Tom Gardner
spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 24/01/22 22:37, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 08:25:06 -0800 (PST), Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com
wrote:

For Maximum EV Efficiency, Stick to 25 Miles an Hour, Ignore Angry Drivers
and POLICE.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ev-electric-car-battery-charge-hypermiler-11642517385
I was driving around 40 MPH on right lane of a highway (speed limit unknown)
and got pull over for driving too slow. I told him that i was running low
on >> charges and won\'t make it to the charger any faster. He escort me for a
little while and left.

Walking is becoming a hazard too. This is two cases in a single block:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gi14nqa2hqej6vi/Charging_1.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zehxbz00u2qxb8t/Charging_2.jpg?raw=1

Somebody tried that not too far from me, in a conservation area
full of houses converted into flats.

He gave it up as impractical, and sold his EV.
In the first pic one might ask why he didn\'t pull the car into his
garage to charge it.

Leave the link for at least something like this:

https://www.staples.com/Staples-6-Cord-Cover-Gray/product_2093411?ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=2093411&KPID=2093411&cid=PS:GS:RE:RP:NB:FALSE:TXT:SV:Open:1679103750:60732599210:&gclid=Cj0KCQiAubmPBhCyARIsAJWNpiMadxS2tLTGqsdVmcHcdF9d0i_f_xykuobK7qdzedRg8bxEb1sN39MaAv9gEALw_wcB

What, spend almost $15 to be a good neighbor?

The owner of that car was in a bad mood, having to pay for
electricity. For some odd reason he couldn\'t use a free charging
station.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[Cydrome Leader]

Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip

You didn\'t factor in the transportation cost of the electricity. The losses are not large, but it starts eating into the CoP margin. The real issue is the cost of the installation. A heat pump requires backup heat for when it\'s not very effective such as low temps but also for removing ice from the coils. To do that they run it in air conditioner mode and run the backup heat to keep the house from cooling off.

Actually, they don\'t or at least they don\'t have to. In Australia most
air-conditioning systems as touted as \"reverse cycle systems\". You can run
the compressor in reverse so it while it can cool the house in summer, it.

Oh really? How do they run the compressor in reverse? flip the leads? Let\'s
all take notes as the guru of heat pumps enlightens us once again.

There are all sort of options. Using a pair of valves to flip the
intakes and outlets would work. If the compressor is being spun by a
synchronous motor you could use electronics to make it spin in the
opposite direction. I haven\'t dismanted my Mitsubishi reverse cycle
air-conditioner to find out how they do it - it would invalidate my
guarantee if I did, and I don\'t really need to know. Cydrome Leader does
- he\'s advanced enough fatuous misconceptions to make it clear that he
hasn\'t got a clue.

Well, the expert has spoken. There might be a synchronous motor in the
compressor and some magic electronics to spin it the other direction.

Thinking about what the compressor has to do with the gas stream it is compressing suggests that it wouldn\'t be a good idea to run it in reverse.
The electronics to do that would be pretty trivial - you wouldn\'t need to add any extra parts or compromise the reliabilitly.

Ignore the reversing valve I mentioned originally, that must be one of my misconceptions about parts extra parts to fail in the heating or cooling months.

Mechanical parts do fail more frequently than well-designed electronics.
They do wear.

Surprise, heat pumps are almost entirely mechanical, and not even slightly
user servicable.

And for the audience, no, they do not reverse the spin on a motor to
switch from heating to cooling or vice versa.

Here\'s a casual heat pump repair video skillfully trimmed to 16 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMDIx3MqmJM

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:09:39 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:

Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:58:51 AM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:20:38 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 6:41:48 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 1:01:18 AM UTC-5, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-01-21, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology..com> wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 20:46:49 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader <pres...@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 19:30:11 -0500, \"Tom Del Rosso\" <fizzbin...@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

snip

You didn\'t factor in the transportation cost of the electricity. The losses are not large, but it starts eating into the CoP margin. The real issue is the cost of the installation. A heat pump requires backup heat for when it\'s not very effective such as low temps but also for removing ice from the coils. To do that they run it in air conditioner mode and run the backup heat to keep the house from cooling off.

Actually, they don\'t or at least they don\'t have to. In Australia most
air-conditioning systems as touted as \"reverse cycle systems\". You can run
the compressor in reverse so it while it can cool the house in summer, it.

Oh really? How do they run the compressor in reverse? flip the leads? Let\'s
all take notes as the guru of heat pumps enlightens us once again.

There are all sort of options. Using a pair of valves to flip the
intakes and outlets would work. If the compressor is being spun by a
synchronous motor you could use electronics to make it spin in the
opposite direction. I haven\'t dismanted my Mitsubishi reverse cycle
air-conditioner to find out how they do it - it would invalidate my
guarantee if I did, and I don\'t really need to know. Cydrome Leader does
- he\'s advanced enough fatuous misconceptions to make it clear that he
hasn\'t got a clue.

Well, the expert has spoken. There might be a synchronous motor in the
compressor and some magic electronics to spin it the other direction.

Thinking about what the compressor has to do with the gas stream it is compressing suggests that it wouldn\'t be a good idea to run it in reverse.
The electronics to do that would be pretty trivial - you wouldn\'t need to add any extra parts or compromise the reliability.

Ignore the reversing valve I mentioned originally, that must be one of my misconceptions about parts extra parts to fail in the heating or cooling months.

Mechanical parts do fail more frequently than well-designed electronics..
They do wear.

Surprise, heat pumps are almost entirely mechanical, and not even slightly
user servicable.

But their control systems contain the usual amounts of electronics. it\'s a lot easier and cheaper to set up a user-interface with an LCD display, and put the valve actuators next to the valves, and control them over some kind of serial link.

> And for the audience, no, they do not reverse the spin on a motor to switch from heating to cooling or vice versa.

They could have done. It isn\'t exactly difficult. Thinking about the gas volume changes through the compressor suggests that it wouldn\'t have been good way to go, but bad engineers get all sorts of silly ideas into their heads, and it can be difficult to change their minds.

> Here\'s a casual heat pump repair video skillfully trimmed to 16 minutes

But who wants to spend 16 minutes watching a video? And US air-conditioning systems are sold into a relatively impoverished mass market. People from better-off countries are more interested in learning about more up-market systems - not something that has been minimally adapted from a gas-fired ducted air home heating system (which seems to be what Rick C wants to talk about).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney