Driver to drive?

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 4 October 2013 09:28:50 UTC+10, Jamie M wrote:

On 10/3/2013 9:30 AM, John Devereux wrote:
Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> writes:
On 10/3/2013 7:37 AM, John Devereux wrote:
krw@attt.bizz writes:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:35:22 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 01/10/2013 03:50, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:01:14 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 9/30/2013 4:14 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:14:08 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 9/26/2013 5:11 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

<snip>

Don't forget the guy who got a Nobel Prize for discovering
the AIDS virus said it can be prevented with proper nutrition.

He shared that Nobel Prize.

I imagine what he really said was that good nutrition improves the
immune system in general

This is the sort of distortion / nonsense that has killed hundreds of
thousands in South Africa and elsewhere.

Actually Dr. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize) apparently said:

"AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from
the co-discoverer of HIV."

http://searchingforanswersblog.blogspot.ca/2012/10/dr-luc-montagnier-hiv-and-aids-truth.html

He's still nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

Also believes in homeopathy.

The corporations educate Doctors and Nurses in private medical schools
and it is all about money and Doctors don't learn anything about
nutrition, (and actually unlearn common sense nutrition in their
education of drugs etc)

Doctors do learn about basic nutrition, vitamins and trace elements but it's not a big part of their course work. "Common sense" isn't always correct.

but that is starting to change since its so
obvious that nutrition is more important than corporate artificial
money "solutions" for health.

Getting enough food to eat, water to drink and air to inhale is obviously of first importance if you want to stay alive. Making sure that it is all "free range" and "additive-free" is well down the list. Your ideas about "good nutrition" are just another corporate money-spinner, but you haven't noticed it yet.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Greegor]

John Devereux wrote ( re Polio )
JD > And it is worth pointing out that
JD > after a sustained global campaign
JD > over decades, it was on the verge
JD > of total eradication, with the UN
JD > closing in on the last few
JD > strongholds of that terrible disease.
JD >
JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

I never heard of such shootings.
What country or countries did this
happen in?

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 4 October 2013 11:00:14 UTC+10, Greegor wrote:

John Devereux wrote ( re Polio )

JD > And it is worth pointing out that
JD > after a sustained global campaign
JD > over decades, it was on the verge
JD > of total eradication, with the UN
JD > closing in on the last few
JD > strongholds of that terrible disease.
JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

I never heard of such shootings.

What country or countries did this
happen in?

Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/pakistan-militants-kill-health-workers

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jamie M]

On 10/3/2013 9:30 AM, John Devereux wrote:

Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> writes:

On 10/3/2013 7:37 AM, John Devereux wrote:
krw@attt.bizz writes:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:35:22 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On 01/10/2013 03:50, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:01:14 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:

On 9/30/2013 4:14 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:14:08 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:

On 9/26/2013 5:11 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

Nurses are just a vulnerable to scare stories as any other form of stoop labour.

Nurses see first hand health situations, if they don't want vaccines
that makes people question vaccines as the nurses are supposed to know
about health, so not having nurses get vaccinated makes the
corporations selling vaccines look bad.

Perhaps their employers don't want them missing work because they
caught the flu from their patients. They are at particular risk.

[...]

vaccinated for swine flu a couple years ago were more susceptible to
catching the seasonal flu, and those who actually got the swine flu and
fought it off, now have increased immunity to catching the flu.

Utterly absurd.

Hi,

From this page:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12152500

You can find someone, somewhere, on the Internet to say anything.

What they say is probably true. A variant on what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger, but it quietly ignores those victims of the novel swine
flu variant who died as a result of catching it.

Please! It's not just some "novel swine flu variant" that kills.
Something like 65,000 people are killed by the flu in the US, alone.

Incidentally the researchers are closing in on components of the flu
virus that may pave the way for a universal flu vaccine that doesn't
depend so much on the highly variable protein coat.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24175030

"People who recover from swine flu may be left with an extraordinary
natural ability to fight off flu viruses, findings suggests."

Irrelevant. You stated that vaccines do not boost the body's natural
immunity, which only a total moron, like Slowman, could believe.

Unfortunately a lot more people these days are inclined to believe crank
conspiracy theories. The UK has a serious problem with the present
cohort of teenagers who were not immunised against mumps, measles and
rubella because of the MMR vaccine scare. It is invariably the children
of the worried well middle classes that are at most risk as their
parents read all the frantic (and wrong) scare stories.

The same is true in the US. These are all making a big comeback.

So if you got the swine flu vaccine, then you wouldn't have this super
immunity, so the vaccines damage the immune system of people who would
normally have been infected and fought it off.

Completely irrelevant. Your "super immunity" doesn't do the ones who
don't survive a damned bit of good. The idea of a vaccine isn't to
create a superman, rather to prevent pandemics and keep thousands
alive.

Exactly. They work in several ways which depending on how much
infectious agent you are exposed to prevents infection taking hold or
shortens the period you are poorly and severity. Vaccination against
smallpox wiped it out completely. Polio is slowly getting there too.

Polio is making a comeback, too. For the same reasons.

And it is worth pointing out that after a sustained global campaign over
decades, it was on the verge of total eradication, with the UN closing
in on the last few strongholds of that terrible disease.

Until some stupid anti-vaccination conspiracy theory crackpots started
spreading false rumours and shooting the health workers.

TB vaccination post WWII worked in the first world but not elsewhere. It
is making a resurgence again in vulnerable populations.

And coming back in strains that aren't so easily cured.


Hi,

Vaccines are a bandaid solution, the real problem is if people don't
have proper nutrition and a good life, then they are susceptible to
disease, if someone is healthy and strong they rarely will get ill.
That is what should be focused on, making everyone healthy.
Corporations sell junk food and vaccines, those two products feed off
each other just like all the other crap they sell. Historically
societies had very low disease when their people are healthy with
enough food - its when the society runs out of good food that the
people start getting diseases as the immune system runs on good
nutrition. Don't forget the guy who got a Nobel Prize for discovering
the AIDS virus said it can be prevented with proper nutrition.

I imagine what he really said was that good nutrition improves the
immune system in general.

This is the sort of distortion / nonsense that has killed hundreds of
thousands in South Africa and elsewhere.

Actually Dr. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize) apparently said:

"AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from
the co-discoverer of HIV."

http://searchingforanswersblog.blogspot.ca/2012/10/dr-luc-montagnier-hiv-and-aids-truth.html

The corporations educate Doctors and Nurses in private medical schools
and it is all about money and Doctors don't learn anything about
nutrition, (and actually unlearn common sense nutrition in their
education of drugs etc) but that is starting to change since its so
obvious that nutrition is more important than corporate artificial
money "solutions" for health.

cheers,
Jamie






>

 

[Martin Brown]

On 04/10/2013 01:34, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, 4 October 2013 09:28:50 UTC+10, Jamie M wrote:
On 10/3/2013 9:30 AM, John Devereux wrote:
Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> writes:
On 10/3/2013 7:37 AM, John Devereux wrote:
krw@attt.bizz writes:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:35:22 +0100, Martin Brown
|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 01/10/2013 03:50, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:01:14 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 9/30/2013 4:14 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:14:08 -0700, Jamie M<jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:
On 9/26/2013 5:11 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

snip

Don't forget the guy who got a Nobel Prize for discovering
the AIDS virus said it can be prevented with proper nutrition.

He shared that Nobel Prize.

I imagine what he really said was that good nutrition improves the
immune system in general

This is the sort of distortion / nonsense that has killed hundreds of
thousands in South Africa and elsewhere.

Actually Dr. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize) apparently said:

"AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from
the co-discoverer of HIV."

http://searchingforanswersblog.blogspot.ca/2012/10/dr-luc-montagnier-hiv-and-aids-truth.html

He's still nuts.

There might be a correlation, people with poor nutrition and no access
to AV drugs probably do succumb to HIV much faster than anyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier

Also believes in homeopathy.

Oh dear - a complete charlatan then

Semiconductor processing would not work if their irrational beliefs were
actually correct. There is some of Nelson's piss in all of us.

Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling thought that excess vitamin C would
help prevent catching the common cold. I was involved in that experiment
and the main effect was to make urinating dilute ascorbic acid an
unpleasant experience. The body excreted it just as fast as it was given
which ISTR was a dose of about 1-2g per day. Benefits in normal people
were not detectable. Super fit military in the Arctic apparently did
show some positive benefits but they were an exception.

The corporations educate Doctors and Nurses in private medical schools
and it is all about money and Doctors don't learn anything about
nutrition, (and actually unlearn common sense nutrition in their
education of drugs etc)

Doctors do learn about basic nutrition, vitamins and trace elements but it's not a big part of their course work. "Common sense" isn't always correct.

Anyone who studies biology at school gets most of the basics but that
doesn't stop cranks and the likes of the Henry Doublespeak organisation
creating a market and trademark for over wrapped and over priced
Organic(TM) produce certification to rip off the worried well.

Great work if you can get it but minimum inputs farming is the only
rational solution. Organic(TM) peanut butter is probably one of the most
dangerous products on sale to the public if it is preservative free
since fungi producing aflotoxins on peanuts are very very nasty.

but that is starting to change since its so
obvious that nutrition is more important than corporate artificial
money "solutions" for health.

Getting enough food to eat, water to drink and air to inhale is obviously of first importance if you want to stay alive. Making sure that it is all "free range" and "additive-free" is well down the list. Your ideas about "good nutrition" are just another corporate money-spinner, but you haven't noticed it yet.

Sometimes with additives is much safer than the additive free version.

US still has a problem with people - usually the worried well failing to
buffer home canned and home bottled vegetables to the right pH and dying
of botulism as a result. Happens in other countries where home canning
is popular too but the US cases are better documented.

Nature is red in tooth and claw. There are plenty of nasty pathogens
waiting for their chance to get you. Luckily the human immune response
is generally pretty good in a healthy individual - although the modern
tendency to near sterile hyper cleanliness and traces of peanut in
everything does seem to be generating a situation where auto immune
diseases and allergies are becoming ever more common in the population.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[John Devereux]

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, 4 October 2013 11:00:14 UTC+10, Greegor wrote:
John Devereux wrote ( re Polio )

JD > And it is worth pointing out that
JD > after a sustained global campaign
JD > over decades, it was on the verge
JD > of total eradication, with the UN
JD > closing in on the last few
JD > strongholds of that terrible disease.
JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

I never heard of such shootings.

What country or countries did this
happen in?

Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/pakistan-militants-kill-health-workers

And Nigeria

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis#Epidemiology>

"In Northern Nigeria—a country which at that time was considered
provisionally polio free—an Islamic Fatwah was issued declaring that the
polio vaccine was a conspiracy by the United States and the United
Nations against the Muslim faith, saying that the drops were designed to
sterilize the true believers. Subsequently, polio reappeared in Nigeria
and spread from there to several other countries.[88] Health workers
administering polio vaccine have been targeted and killed by gunmen on
motorcycles in Kano .[89]"

Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan. All other cases are caused by people
catching it in those countries then bringing it back AFAIK.



--

John Devereux

 

[Greegor]

JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

G > I never heard of such shootings.
G > What country or countries did this
G > happen in?

Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/pakistan-militants-kill-health-workers

Which "anti-vaccination conspiracy theory crackpots"
got the Islamofascists all worked up?

 

[John Devereux]

Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com> writes:

JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

G > I never heard of such shootings.
G > What country or countries did this
G > happen in?

Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/pakistan-militants-kill-health-workers

Which "anti-vaccination conspiracy theory crackpots"
got the Islamofascists all worked up?

Islamofascist anti-vaccination conspiracy theory crackpots presumably.

"...a conspiracy to sterilise and reduce the world's Muslim
population. Over the past year, nearly 20 health workers from the
anti-polio campaign have been murdered."

Actually I was thinking more of Nigeria when I wrote that, but there
again it seems it is Islamists to blame. And Afghanistan... Bit of a
pattern there.

--

John Devereux

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, 5 October 2013 02:59:08 UTC+10, Greegor wrote:

JD > Until some stupid anti-vaccination
JD > conspiracy theory crackpots started
JD > spreading false rumours and shooting
JD > the health workers.

G > I never heard of such shootings.

G > What country or countries did this
G > happen in?

Pakistan.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/16/pakistan-militants-kill-health-workers

Which "anti-vaccination conspiracy theory crackpots"
got the Islamofascists all worked up?

I think the Islamofascists worked it out for themselves. The
"sterilise" bit of the fanatasy is not part of western anti-vaccination crackpottery.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Daniel Pitts]

On 10/4/13 4:13 AM, Nilesh Pardhe wrote:

#IOTrain: Lets unlimit IOs on Arduino. And with few changes on Raspberry PI

IO train provides modular approach to extend digital IOs available to Arduino. (or with some modifications to Raspberry Pi.)

http://igg.me/at/iotrain/x/4855275
waiting for your feedback!!!!!!!!!

At some point, the Arduino just doesn't have enough processing power to
meaningfully power IOs.

Also after some point, the power supply on the Arduino is going to fry .

So, I wouldn't say unlimited IOs, but the fact that it is modular and
can be chained is useful. I think it would be more useful if it could
optionally be powered separately from the main processor.

 

On Friday, 4 October 2013 02:00:14 UTC+1, Greegor wrote:

I never heard of such shootings.

What country or countries did this

happen in?

A few randomly selected reports:

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/28/18558500-who-suspends-pakistan-operations-after-polio-workers-shot-dead?lite

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20767138

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/world/asia/anti-polio-campaign-worker-shot-dead-in-pakistan.html?_r=0

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/polio-vaccinators-are-being-shot-dead-in-nigeria-and-pakistan

John

 

[Nilesh Pardhe]

On Saturday, October 5, 2013 3:31:29 AM UTC+5:30, Daniel Pitts wrote:

On 10/4/13 4:13 AM, Nilesh Pardhe wrote:

#IOTrain: Lets unlimit IOs on Arduino. And with few changes on Raspberry PI



IO train provides modular approach to extend digital IOs available to Arduino. (or with some modifications to Raspberry Pi.)



http://igg.me/at/iotrain/x/4855275

waiting for your feedback!!!!!!!!!



At some point, the Arduino just doesn't have enough processing power to

meaningfully power IOs.



Also after some point, the power supply on the Arduino is going to fry .



So, I wouldn't say unlimited IOs, but the fact that it is modular and

can be chained is useful. I think it would be more useful if it could

optionally be powered separately from the main processor.

Thank You very much,
True said...

Power supply: obviously for large number of channels external supply would be needed and it is not compulsory for you to connect arduino supply to this module.(you need to take care to common both grounds)

Actually IOTrain provides you 65000 Digital IOs (kind of unlimited). Each pin on IOTrain is randomly accessible.

 

[Greegor]

First it was presented that anti vaccination
attitudes were unscientific, that they
failed to see the "big picture" statistically.
So I countered with an even bigger "big picture"
by citing immunity on an evolutionary time scale.
Then the same people who originally argued
based on "big picture" hard science rejected
the hard science that works against them
and switched to immediate and selfish emotional
reasons.

Then references to conspiracy theorists
were switched to Islamofascists and as
it turns out they were "set off" by
spooks who actually did use vaccination
programs as a spy cover.

If it wasn't so tragic the reasoning
would be comedy.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Sunday, 6 October 2013 18:56:10 UTC+11, Greegor wrote:

First it was presented that anti vaccination
attitudes were unscientific, that they
failed to see the "big picture" statistically.

So I countered with an even bigger "big picture"
by citing immunity on an evolutionary time scale.

A rather perverse and over-simplified "big picture".

Then the same people who originally argued
based on "big picture" hard science rejected
the hard science that works against them
and switched to immediate and selfish emotional
reasons.

There wasn't a lot of hard science in your "big picture" - it was in fact all opinion, and supported by exactly zero evidence.

Then references to conspiracy theorists
were switched to Islamofascists and as
it turns out they were "set off" by
spooks who actually did use vaccination
programs as a spy cover.

There was no suggestion that the Islamic anti-vaccination campaign was any kind of direct reaction the use of vaccination programs as spy cover.

The anxieties about "sterilisation" expressed by some of the Islamic anti-vaccination activists don't fit that kind of motivation.

If it wasn't so tragic the reasoning
would be comedy.

The reasoning is comically absurd, even if the results are tragic. Tragi-comdey is a well-know art-form

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragicomedy

and the anti-vaccination diatribes definitely fit the "persistent focus on elaborate, artificial rhetoric".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Greegor]

Evolution is textbook hard science, Slow man.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, 7 October 2013 08:19:23 UTC+11, Greegor wrote:
> Evolution is textbook hard science, Slow man.

Sure, but Social Darwinism isn't. Your argument was superficial and incorrect, as I pointed out at the time.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

krw@attt.bizz wrote:

AIDS can also be prevented by keeping it in your pocket, but we don't
want any of that!

That would have prevented all the liberals, too.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Grant Edwards]

On 2013-10-08, Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> wrote:

Cross posting to sci.electronics.design

What linux distros do techies like?

Genoo.

--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! ... If I had heart
at failure right now,
gmail.com I couldn't be a more
fortunate man!!

 

[Roberto Waltman]

Cross posting to sci.electronics.design

What linux distros do techies like?

R.


Roberto Waltman wrote:

David Brown wrote:
... I use Linux for most of my work and play.

Just curious - Which Linux distribution do you use?

I used Ubuntu for several years, but I'm not sure I want to follow
Canonical in whatever path they want to take it.

Thinking of switching to Scientific Linux (Fedora) when I get back to
"work and play." (Crunchbang Linux is also in the run.)

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 10/8/2013 9:32 AM, Roberto Waltman wrote:

Cross posting to sci.electronics.design

What linux distros do techies like?

R.


Roberto Waltman wrote:
David Brown wrote:
... I use Linux for most of my work and play.

Just curious - Which Linux distribution do you use?

I used Ubuntu for several years, but I'm not sure I want to follow
Canonical in whatever path they want to take it.

Thinking of switching to Scientific Linux (Fedora) when I get back to
"work and play." (Crunchbang Linux is also in the run.)

Being a vanilla sort of guy, I mostly use CentOS 6. I'm more of a KDE
fan, though, so there are occasional curiosities that I haven't invested
the time in fixing--for instance, clicking on a link in kmail doesn't
open it correctly in Firefox.

I have an old P4 box that's running Kubuntu. The main thing I disliked
about Ubuntu when I used it last is that it doesn't play nicely with
the other children--if I set up disk partitions on cylinder boundaries
for other OSes, and tell it to use the existing partitions, it
nevertheless insists on futzing with the partition table to save a
quarter of a cylinder. I like computers that do as they're bloody well
told.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
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Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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