Driver to drive?

Phil Allison · Aug 24, 2013

"John Fields is a FUCKING IDIOT "

Nichrome has about a tenth the tempco of tungsten:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/rstiv.html

** Arrant nonsense.

See table at bottom of this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichrome

The actual tempco is slightly non linear and WAAAY less than tungsten
or
copper.

Plus 6% at 2000C.

Tungsten is nearly plus 1200 % at the same temp.

---
Note that the resistance increase you refer to is for is at about 1100C,
while a
tungsten filament runs at about 3000C:

** Totally irrelevant.

---
Not at all, since what would be fair would be to compare the
resistances of the wires over the same temperature range.

** And 1100 is not 3000.

What you've done is to look at the 6% increase for nichrome from 20C
to about 1100C, while claiming an increase for tungsten of 1200% over
the same range,

** The real number is more like 700 - 800 %.

Makes no difference to the POINT at all !!!

You CRIMINAL FUCKHEAD !!!!!!!!

With that in mind we can say:

Rt = Ro (1 + alpha T)

** Nichrome ( along with other low tempco alloys) does NOT follow that
formula.

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I can't see why not,

** ROTFLMAO !!

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

The tempco of Nichrome is NOT 0.0004 / C and it is NOT fixed.

The resistance barely changes from room temp to red hot.

http://www.wiretron.com/nicrdat.html

You are using YOUR ERROR in your false proof.

Piss off to HELL - you fucking LYING TWAT.

.... Phil

John Fields · Aug 24, 2013

On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:54:21 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"John Fields is a FUCKING IDIOT "

Nichrome has about a tenth the tempco of tungsten:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/rstiv.html

** Arrant nonsense.

See table at bottom of this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichrome

The actual tempco is slightly non linear and WAAAY less than tungsten
or
copper.

Plus 6% at 2000C.

Tungsten is nearly plus 1200 % at the same temp.

---
Note that the resistance increase you refer to is for is at about 1100C,
while a
tungsten filament runs at about 3000C:

** Totally irrelevant.

---
Not at all, since what would be fair would be to compare the
resistances of the wires over the same temperature range.

** And 1100 is not 3000.

---
Precisely, so what is it that's keeping you from getting the point?
---

What you've done is to look at the 6% increase for nichrome from 20C
to about 1100C, while claiming an increase for tungsten of 1200% over
the same range,

** The real number is more like 700 - 800 %.

---
So your original claim for a 1200% increase was wrong?
---

> Makes no difference to the POINT at all !!!

---
Then, what exactly is the point?
---

> You CRIMINAL FUCKHEAD !!!!!!!!

---
Tsk, tsk...
---

With that in mind we can say:

Rt = Ro (1 + alpha T)

** Nichrome ( along with other low tempco alloys) does NOT follow that
formula.

---
I can't see why not,

** ROTFLMAO !!

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

The tempco of Nichrome is NOT 0.0004 / C and it is NOT fixed.

The resistance barely changes from room temp to red hot.

http://www.wiretron.com/nicrdat.html

You are using YOUR ERROR in your false proof.

---
The error seems to lie here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/rstiv.html

Where the tempco of nichrome B is given as 0.0004/C, and your
histrionics certainly didn't contribute to finding it.
---

>Piss off to HELL - you fucking LYING TWAT.

---
Tsk, tsk...

BTW, why won't the formula work for low-tempco alloys?

--
JF

Phil Allison · Aug 24, 2013

"John Fields is a FUCKING IDIOT "

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

The tempco of Nichrome is NOT 0.0004 / C and it is NOT fixed.

The resistance barely changes from room temp to red hot.

http://www.wiretron.com/nicrdat.html

You are using YOUR ERROR in your false proof.

You LOST the debate four posts ago.

Get cancer and DIE - you stinking pile of raging autism.

.... Phil

John Fields · Aug 24, 2013

On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:41:49 +1000, "Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"John Fields is a FUCKING IDIOT "

"There are none so blind as those who will not see"

The tempco of Nichrome is NOT 0.0004 / C and it is NOT fixed.

The resistance barely changes from room temp to red hot.

http://www.wiretron.com/nicrdat.html

You are using YOUR ERROR in your false proof.

You LOST the debate four posts ago.

Get cancer and DIE - you stinking pile of raging autism.

---
Tsk, tsk, tsk...

--
JF

Cydrome Leader · Aug 26, 2013

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:38:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT), George Herold

gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins
snip

The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract

3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-
when operating at high speed.
Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)

http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/

George H.

Yes, this patent (Fig 2) shows the construction a bit more clearly
(but no explanation of _why_).

Hmm, if there is a lot of current being drawn maybe you 'win' by not having the resistance of the other stators in the current path.

http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6528911.pdf

The efficiency of the highly optimized (for cost) automotive Lundell

claw pole generator is apparently only about 50%. That's a lot of

wasted gasoline given the high electrical loads on modern cars (mine

has an electric water pump and electric steering, for example).

So I'm guessing they optimize for the 'up front' cost of the car and not your cost to run it.

You could also get a few more HP during acceleration if you're not
powering a water pump and a hydraulic steering pump. I don't know if
they actually let off on the alternator during heavy acceleration, but
it would make sense.

My wife has a Toyota minivan in which everything seems to have a motor attached. I expect next they will motorize the opening and closing of the two front doors. I mean, I have to set my coffee cup down in the morning to open the door... that's much to much to ask. :^)

George H.

Some people could use a car with a built-in fridge, microwave, lighted
makeup mirror, maybe trash compactor.

I'm sure your car has a lighted makeup mirror... mine does. Also
power open and closing the trunk, powered sunscreens, power seats,
heated and cooled seats... on and on and... >:-}

...Jim Thompson

That cadillac auto-closing trunk thing is retarded, especially with how it
feels like something will break when somebody slams it shut.

George Herold · Aug 27, 2013

On Friday, August 23, 2013 11:48:52 AM UTC-4, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:27:21 -0700 (PDT),

bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Fred, a counter solution is nice. Can I ask a silly question?

Where the bleep is the oscillator? The R's and C tied to the Phi inputs?

Classic 3-inverter CMOS RC-oscillator:

Please view in a fixed-width font such as

Courier.

.

.

.

.

.

.

. ____

. Phi1 |\ |\ Phi0 |\ Phi0

. .-| o-----| o---+---| o--+----

. | |/ |/ | |/ |

. | [R] |

. | | C |

. '----[R']-------+---||---'

.

.

.

I use this one all the time on my chip designs (without the divider

needed for avoiding ESD clipping with discrete devices)...

Thanks Fred, Jim... Sorry my bad. I don't know the 4060.. I didn't realize it had a built in oscillator.

George H.

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/CMOS-Osc-NoClip.pdf

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson · Aug 27, 2013

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:38:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT), George Herold

gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins
snip

The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract

3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-
when operating at high speed.
Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)

http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/

George H.

Yes, this patent (Fig 2) shows the construction a bit more clearly
(but no explanation of _why_).

Hmm, if there is a lot of current being drawn maybe you 'win' by not having the resistance of the other stators in the current path.

http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6528911.pdf

The efficiency of the highly optimized (for cost) automotive Lundell

claw pole generator is apparently only about 50%. That's a lot of

wasted gasoline given the high electrical loads on modern cars (mine

has an electric water pump and electric steering, for example).

So I'm guessing they optimize for the 'up front' cost of the car and not your cost to run it.

You could also get a few more HP during acceleration if you're not
powering a water pump and a hydraulic steering pump. I don't know if
they actually let off on the alternator during heavy acceleration, but
it would make sense.

My wife has a Toyota minivan in which everything seems to have a motor attached. I expect next they will motorize the opening and closing of the two front doors. I mean, I have to set my coffee cup down in the morning to open the door... that's much to much to ask. :^)

George H.

Some people could use a car with a built-in fridge, microwave, lighted
makeup mirror, maybe trash compactor.

I'm sure your car has a lighted makeup mirror... mine does. Also
power open and closing the trunk, powered sunscreens, power seats,
heated and cooled seats... on and on and... >:-}

...Jim Thompson

That cadillac auto-closing trunk thing is retarded, especially with how it
feels like something will break when somebody slams it shut.

Cydrome Leader · Aug 29, 2013

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:38:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT), George Herold

gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins
snip

The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract

3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-
when operating at high speed.
Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)

http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/

George H.

Yes, this patent (Fig 2) shows the construction a bit more clearly
(but no explanation of _why_).

Hmm, if there is a lot of current being drawn maybe you 'win' by not having the resistance of the other stators in the current path.

http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6528911.pdf

The efficiency of the highly optimized (for cost) automotive Lundell

claw pole generator is apparently only about 50%. That's a lot of

wasted gasoline given the high electrical loads on modern cars (mine

has an electric water pump and electric steering, for example).

So I'm guessing they optimize for the 'up front' cost of the car and not your cost to run it.

You could also get a few more HP during acceleration if you're not
powering a water pump and a hydraulic steering pump. I don't know if
they actually let off on the alternator during heavy acceleration, but
it would make sense.

My wife has a Toyota minivan in which everything seems to have a motor attached. I expect next they will motorize the opening and closing of the two front doors. I mean, I have to set my coffee cup down in the morning to open the door... that's much to much to ask. :^)

George H.

Some people could use a car with a built-in fridge, microwave, lighted
makeup mirror, maybe trash compactor.

I'm sure your car has a lighted makeup mirror... mine does. Also
power open and closing the trunk, powered sunscreens, power seats,
heated and cooled seats... on and on and... >:-}

...Jim Thompson

That cadillac auto-closing trunk thing is retarded, especially with how it
feels like something will break when somebody slams it shut.

Q45 =/= Caddy

Q45 == Infiniti

...Jim Thompson

I though that was a cadillac exclusive.

What happens to your trunk if somebody slams it shut? On a cadillac, the
trunk doesn't close right, makes a horrible sound, the trunk wobbles and
bounces open and the owner yells at you. It's pretty fucking stupid in
simple words. It's pretty close to slamming a car door where the door
catch is already "closed".

There's not even some sort of latch where slamming it shut just bypasses
the sucky mechanism- it's just slams right into it.

Aug 29, 2013

On Friday, August 23, 2013 8:08:09 AM UTC+1, Brendon wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a small solder pot for the occasional short
production run job. Tinning of small hookup wire will be its main use.

5) In practice is it quicker than tinning with an iron & flux cored
solder? Runs would be 200+ wire end to be tinned per session.
Thanks!

Its much quicker. Just dip them in for a mo and they're done. And of course you can dip in 2 or more at a time

NT

Syd Rumpo · Aug 29, 2013

On 28/08/2013 23:31, meow2222@care2.com wrote:

On Friday, August 23, 2013 8:08:09 AM UTC+1, Brendon wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a small solder pot for the occasional short
production run job. Tinning of small hookup wire will be its main use.

5) In practice is it quicker than tinning with an iron & flux cored
solder? Runs would be 200+ wire end to be tinned per session.
Thanks!

Its much quicker. Just dip them in for a mo and they're done. And of course you can dip in 2 or more at a time

NT

Much quicker, but dab them in flux first.

Cheers
--
Syd

Jim Thompson · Aug 29, 2013

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:01:48 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@on-my-web-site.com> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 15:38:19 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:37:31 PM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 06:28:59 -0700 (PDT), George Herold

gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:33:01 AM UTC-4, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 22:32:24 +0100, the renowned Mike Perkins
snip

The power rectifiers connected to the Wye common are used to extract

3rd harmonic power- yielding up to 10% additional current capacity-
when operating at high speed.
Interesting, Thanks! (I assume it's as shown in the link that ed posted earlier.)

http://autonopedia.org/renewable-energy/generators/alternator-secrets/

George H.

Yes, this patent (Fig 2) shows the construction a bit more clearly
(but no explanation of _why_).

Hmm, if there is a lot of current being drawn maybe you 'win' by not having the resistance of the other stators in the current path.

http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US6528911.pdf

The efficiency of the highly optimized (for cost) automotive Lundell

claw pole generator is apparently only about 50%. That's a lot of

wasted gasoline given the high electrical loads on modern cars (mine

has an electric water pump and electric steering, for example).

So I'm guessing they optimize for the 'up front' cost of the car and not your cost to run it.

You could also get a few more HP during acceleration if you're not
powering a water pump and a hydraulic steering pump. I don't know if
they actually let off on the alternator during heavy acceleration, but
it would make sense.

My wife has a Toyota minivan in which everything seems to have a motor attached. I expect next they will motorize the opening and closing of the two front doors. I mean, I have to set my coffee cup down in the morning to open the door... that's much to much to ask. :^)

George H.

Some people could use a car with a built-in fridge, microwave, lighted
makeup mirror, maybe trash compactor.

I'm sure your car has a lighted makeup mirror... mine does. Also
power open and closing the trunk, powered sunscreens, power seats,
heated and cooled seats... on and on and... >:-}

...Jim Thompson

That cadillac auto-closing trunk thing is retarded, especially with how it
feels like something will break when somebody slams it shut.

Q45 =/= Caddy

Q45 == Infiniti

...Jim Thompson

I though that was a cadillac exclusive.

What happens to your trunk if somebody slams it shut?

It just shuts.

On a cadillac, the
trunk doesn't close right, makes a horrible sound, the trunk wobbles and
bounces open and the owner yells at you. It's pretty fucking stupid in
simple words. It's pretty close to slamming a car door where the door
catch is already "closed".

There's not even some sort of latch where slamming it shut just bypasses
the sucky mechanism- it's just slams right into it.

Aug 29, 2013

On Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:18:17 PM UTC-4, Guv Bob wrote:

http://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/minikits/manuals/manual_mk111.pdf

If I disconnect pin 7, would that make it a one-shot pulse?

yeah- go for it

Fred Abse · Aug 30, 2013

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:01:48 +0000, Cydrome Leader wrote:

What happens to your trunk if somebody slams it shut? On a cadillac, the
trunk doesn't close right, makes a horrible sound, the trunk wobbles and
bounces open and the owner yells at you.

Been doing some portering, or valet parking?

;-)

--
"Design is the reverse of analysis"
(R.D. Middlebrook)

Fred Abse · Aug 30, 2013

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

> It just shuts.

Japanese vs. GM ;-)

--
"Design is the reverse of analysis"
(R.D. Middlebrook)

Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2013

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 11:05:04 -0700, Fred Abse
<excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 17:23:27 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

It just shuts.

Japanese vs. GM ;-)

Yep >:-}

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Aug 30, 2013

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:39:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:34:05 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:03:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:50:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Folks,

An engineer in Southern California and I collaborate a lot using Skype.
Voice and video is fine (usually, considering that it's only $4.95 resp.
free). But ... when I want to show a drawing or schematic he can see it
trying to show but it never succeeds. After a while I get a message that
the Internet connection is not ok. Puzzles me because:

a. Still screens have almost no bandwidth.

b. Video works with very few freeze moments.

c. GoToMeeting always works, even with video plus screen.

It there a trick to make this work with Skype? We can use GoToMeeting,
of course, but one cannot simply initiate a one-button call. It's a
tedious login thing, only good for bigger meetings.

Right now I am on a 1.2Mbit/sec down and 256kbit/sec up link, similar
with the other engineer. Can't do much about it right now and it's
perfectly fine with GoToMeeting, Webex, and so on.
Gack! That's awfully slow. What are you on, DSL?

Yep. AT&T touts the very fast "UVerse" service where you can watch TV
via Internet but every time I ask they say not in our neigborhood yet :-(
The speeds you tout actually sound like dial-up.

Dial-up won't go past 56k.

I'm showing 3.3Mbit/sec Up and 10Mbit/sec Down, and this location
isn't even one that Cox touts as "high speed".

That is probably cable TV Internet.

Yep.

What's the up-time of that over the years?

We lose the TV occasional when a dust storm kills the satellite
down-link.

But Internet? Seconds while they swapped an amplifier.

Got a back-up in case it goes
down?

No.

Out here they often just slobber the cables across the flower
beds. Occasionally some four-legged folks come and chomp down on that.

Joerg · Aug 30, 2013

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:39:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:34:05 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:03:24 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:50:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Folks,

An engineer in Southern California and I collaborate a lot using Skype.
Voice and video is fine (usually, considering that it's only $4.95 resp.
free). But ... when I want to show a drawing or schematic he can see it
trying to show but it never succeeds. After a while I get a message that
the Internet connection is not ok. Puzzles me because:

a. Still screens have almost no bandwidth.

b. Video works with very few freeze moments.

c. GoToMeeting always works, even with video plus screen.

It there a trick to make this work with Skype? We can use GoToMeeting,
of course, but one cannot simply initiate a one-button call. It's a
tedious login thing, only good for bigger meetings.

Right now I am on a 1.2Mbit/sec down and 256kbit/sec up link, similar
with the other engineer. Can't do much about it right now and it's
perfectly fine with GoToMeeting, Webex, and so on.
Gack! That's awfully slow. What are you on, DSL?

Yep. AT&T touts the very fast "UVerse" service where you can watch TV
via Internet but every time I ask they say not in our neigborhood yet :-(
The speeds you tout actually sound like dial-up.

Dial-up won't go past 56k.

I'm showing 3.3Mbit/sec Up and 10Mbit/sec Down, and this location
isn't even one that Cox touts as "high speed".

That is probably cable TV Internet.
Yep.

What's the up-time of that over the years?

We lose the TV occasional when a dust storm kills the satellite
down-link.

But Internet? Seconds while they swapped an amplifier.

That's good. Who needs TV?

Got a back-up in case it goes
down?

No.

Wow. I'd get at least a dial-up number for them or see if a smart phone
can be used as backup. I've used the dial-up during a power outage.

Out here they often just slobber the cables across the flower
beds. Occasionally some four-legged folks come and chomp down on that.

Around here we have real streets and the cable is buried, 18" minimum.

We also have real street and cable is buried. But not the cable-TV. I've
seen them "trench and stuff" right here at our street. AFAICT the coax
is less then 2" under the road surface and then droops off into the
ditches on the sides. _No_ conduit whatsoever. All it takes is a truck
parking with a wheel off the pavement and ... squuuish ... no signal.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Joerg · Aug 30, 2013

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:50:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid
wrote:

Linux? Windoze? Mac? Android?

Windoze XP.

It there a trick to make this work with Skype? We can use GoToMeeting,
of course, but one cannot simply initiate a one-button call. It's a
tedious login thing, only good for bigger meetings.

I don't know of any trick. Methinks the first step is to determine
which end of the connection is the problem. Find a 3rd location,
preferably with a much higher speed connection, and try "screen
sharing" from your location and from the location in Southern Calif.
If one works, but the other does not, then problem is located at the
end that doesn't work. If nothing works, then it's something odd with
Skype or possibly the limited bandwidth. I can help, but only after
Saturday, when I will be caught up, dead from overwork, or both.

The problem persists if the San Diego engineer works from home where he
has a 5M+ Internet link. It's probably my upload speed of 256k that
hampers things. But why are all other services happy with it?

The other services don't even blink if I send off an email while in the
conference and while sharing my screen. Sometimes I have to do that, for
example, if someone could only dial in from the road but wants a screen
shot emailed for later.

My guess(tm) is that something is screwed up with DirectX on one end.
Try: Start -> Run -> dxdiag <enter
and see if it finds a problem. Also, run some video benchmark tests
to see if something is slowing the video.

Says "No problems found".

Right now I am on a 1.2Mbit/sec down and 256kbit/sec up link, similar
with the other engineer. Can't do much about it right now and it's
perfectly fine with GoToMeeting, Webex, and so on.

Skype adjusts the protocol and server topology depending on connection
speed. To the best of my limited knowledge, Skype is still
transitioning between topologies:
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/05/skype-replaces-p2p-supernodes-with-linux-boxes-hosted-by-microsoft/

Microsoft installing Linux boxes? Wow! How did that get past Gates and
Ballmer?

Also, you might want to grab some connection statistics from Skype,
which might produce some useful information.
Skype => Tools => Options => Advanced => Connection
Click on the "Display technical call info during calls" and Save.
During a call, drag thy mouse unto the "blank" area in the Skype
box and the connection quality statistics will be displayed.
Oops. Never mind. I forgot that this is now Microsoft, where you
don't really need to know such things. The feature was dumbed down in
version 5.5
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA10415/can-i-see-how-much-bandwidth-a-video-call-is-using
and removed in 6.x. However, you might be able to extract something
out of the log files:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12321/how-do-i-create-log-files
but as I vaguely recall, they don't include connection quality
information.

Yeah, that's so customary these days. All you get is a check engine
light with next to nothing in terms of information.

Oh well, we'll just sign into GoToMeeting then for any hardcore tech
discussions. I always have to go in with user name, password, formally
set up a meeting, send the link to the other engineer, then he can log
in. That process is clumsy but I'd rather take that than an unreliable link.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Jon Elson · Aug 31, 2013

Joerg wrote:

I'm showing 3.3Mbit/sec Up and 10Mbit/sec Down, and this location
isn't even one that Cox touts as "high speed".

That is probably cable TV Internet.

Our Cable internet is 30 MBPS down and I think 4 MBPS up, that
is their LOWEST tier of service.

Jon

Joerg · Aug 31, 2013

Jon Elson wrote:

Joerg wrote:

I'm showing 3.3Mbit/sec Up and 10Mbit/sec Down, and this location
isn't even one that Cox touts as "high speed".

That is probably cable TV Internet.

Our Cable internet is 30 MBPS down and I think 4 MBPS up, that
is their LOWEST tier of service.

In the big city that is similar here but we live out in the hills.
However, people have other amenties instead if they want to, for example
a runway in the middle of town from where they can taxi their Cessna
right into their driveway.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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