Driver to drive?

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message news:3ah985psvfvq7li9arkfqgbrq2pl16oo20@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:44:27 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com
wrote:

What? That bologna is a winner?


Go learn some history, idiot.


in your ass? No thanks.
 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:16:14 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com>
wrote:

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message news:3ah985psvfvq7li9arkfqgbrq2pl16oo20@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:44:27 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com
wrote:

What? That bologna is a winner?


Go learn some history, idiot.



in your ass? No thanks.


Fuck off and die, you retarded twit.
 
"Rich Grise" <richgrise@example.net> wrote in message news:pan.2009.08.10.22.56.10.811006@example.net...
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:19:42 -0400, daestrom wrote:
Archimedes' Lever wrote:

If all you are going to do is make shit up, you should stay out of a
discussion where you tout yourself as knowing about it.

Back at ya. Go look at the pulley ratio on an old engine (say '40s or
'50s) with a DC generator, then go look at a modern auto. Until you've
done that, just shut up and blow away...


The only way to get rid of trolls like that is to filter them.

Hope This Helps!
Rich


Heehee........every body said Archimedes' Lever is a troll.

The evidence is clear, he spent his time spreading his diarrhea around to burn off his excessive fat.
 
On 2009-07-31, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
All in flux at this point. Low tens of mH, about an ohm, total on-time
msecs to hours, flyback diode yes but must play tricks for faster
ramp-down (nasty ...), cannot heatsink, would melt plastic.
can you do a two windining coil relay? or is quantity too low?
 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:44:27 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com>
wrote:

"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message news:lng785d8ma92m5gio168v5al25nb7bhr5i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:41:41 +0300, Paul Keinanen <keinanen@sci.fi
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:


The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts

Have you returned to constant current power distribution with 6 A
circuits ?

Arc lamps in the 1880's were specified by the number of amperes
(typically 6 A for street lighting). All lamps were series connected
and you could operate 20-25 of these in series from a 6 A DC generator
producing a 1000-1500 V DC loaded voltage. Thus, the voltage drop
across each arc lamp was about 55 V on average.


We have a winner.



What? That bologna is a winner?
---
Can you say: "Tongue in cheek?"
---

Then you don't know much about Wattage and AMP.

This is what is wrong with your winner:

ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
---
Huh???

It's clear to me that if the motor load is resistive and draws 6 amperes
from 115VRMS mains, then the power delivered to a nonreactive mechanical
load cannot be greater than:


P = IE = 6A * 115V = 690 watts.


As a matter of fact, (so far) the three basic laws of thermodynamics
are:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even
3. You can't get out of the game

So, for 690 watts taken from a source, what will be delivered to the
eventual load will depend on the price exacted by the delivery system.
---

600watt can be any form of voltage, it is a combined Voltage and AMP together to form a power
of 600watt, you can't say it's fixed to 115V.
---
True, but still utter nonsense since we draw power from a voltage source
which _is_ fixed at 120V.

That means that no matter how much power we ask the source to deliver,
it will deliver it into a load which is designed to drop 120V at its
required power
---

12VDC can light up a 600watt light bulb too.
---
Sure, if the 12VDC source can supply 50 amperes into the load without
sagging, but so what?
---

Yup, now you just confirm that you American are jerks!
---
I think what's been confirmed is that you're an idiot and, consequently,
that your opinions are irrelevant.

JF
 
Mycelium wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:20:18 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:41:41 +0300, Paul Keinanen wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:

The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts
Have you returned to constant current power distribution with 6 A
circuits ?

Arc lamps in the 1880's were specified by the number of amperes
(typically 6 A for street lighting). All lamps were series connected
and you could operate 20-25 of these in series from a 6 A DC generator
producing a 1000-1500 V DC loaded voltage. Thus, the voltage drop
across each arc lamp was about 55 V on average.

And, like the series Xmas lights of yore, when one goes out, they all
go out.



Not if it fails shorted.
Yeah about 25 pct of the time. Good idea, poorly executed.
 
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:46:36 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@notcoldmail.com> wrote:

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

Martin Riddle wrote:
Documenting destruction of perfectly good engines.
http://minx.cc/?post=290415

Insane.
My car is a VW Golf >10 years old and would qualify under the similar UK
scheme.
It does an *average* of 56mpg, and tops out at 75mpg at 55mph.

Quite. It's a disgrace that will take very efficient cars off the market.

Unless you can affors a NEW car will keep that 'clunker'. Pure political
insanity.

Graham
Perhaps it is part of the package to "save" the car companies and the
banks.
 
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:42:16 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yesterday night was the first night with few clouds,
and did a test run with the Canon A470, and the chdk very long expose (up to 60 seconds),
script, with low ASA (to reduce noise).

Not perfect, there was a lot of moon making one area very bright.
This should be better when there is no moon, further allowing exposure increase.
It takes a few pictures for teh auto exposure to stabilize :)

Had to scale the images down to 1400 x 1050 pixels so the movie would
actually display, further losses in compression:
ftp://panteltje.com/pub/ahr.avi (16.7 MB).

Seems I caught a falling star or flying bird? at about 45 seconds...
The time lapse was 1 minute, this will play at 1 second per frame.


Not bad for that cheapo camera, it is all in the software :)
The sensor is very good, very little noise, but some compression artefacts.

For the Linux users:
This is how the avi was made, from the camera jpegs
For each jpg, from a script:
convert -resize 1920x1050 nnn.jpg nnn.jpg
This processes 1375.jpg to 1417.jpg:
jpg_to_mjpegtools_yuv -f 1357 -l 1417 -s 1 > q1.yuv
ffmpeg -i q1.yuv -vcodec mjpeg -sameq -r 1 -y ahr.avi

I wrote jpg_to_mjpegtools_yuv, it is available from here:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/jpg_to_mjpegtools_yuv/
The yuv stream can be manipulated in an easy way with various tools.

My Linux box plays most media. It won't play yours and i don't know
why.
 
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:17:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:29:21 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:37:14 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:45:24 -0700,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:02:28 -0600, Nicholas Kinar <n.kinar@usask.ca
wrote:


I believe that Digikey has these resistors:

http://www.digikey.com/

Example part number: Y1624-1KCT-ND


Apparently the temperature coefficient is listed as ą0.2ppm/°C for this
particular part number.

Crickey, what is it made of?

Those Vishay Bulk Metal resistors:

http://www.vishay.com/resistors-discrete/metal-foil/

are made of a proprietary variant of 75Ni-20Cr-3Al, which is roughly
an order of magnitude better than Shunt Manganin, and is the lowest
resistance tempco material known in the vicinity of room temperature.
One commercially available variant is known as Evanohm IIRC, available
as foil and wire in case you want to make your own resistors :).

When comparing tempcos of different materials it is important also to
compare the specified temperature range or better yet look at the
resistance vs temp curve.

Low resistance TC metal alloys get their low TC the same way Invar
gets its low thermal expansion. Invar, at one specific temperature,
exactly cancels thermal expansion with a gradual phase change to a
lower volume phase. Low TC resistance alloys like Manganin and NiCrAl
exactly cancel tempco at one specific temperature with a gradual phase
change to a lower resistance phase. The further you get from the
temperature which is exactly compensated the worse the tempco in
either case. Specify TC very close to the compensated temp and you
can make it arbitrarily low :).

Regards,
Glen

Thanks. I appreciate it much better with the explanation of how it
works.

How about OpAmp offset voltage? That'll do you in royally, unless you
have an auto-zero periodically.

...Jim Thompson
The few times i have seen using resistors like this, they were long
since into fully ratiometric systems. With standard resistors in
temperature controlled baths and all that.
 
On 7 Aug 2009 12:46:34 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

John Devereux <john@devereux.me.uk> wrote in
news:87zlaccbmw.fsf@cordelia.devereux.me.uk:

"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> writes:

Jim Yanik wrote:

[snip]

WHERE in the Constitution is gov't permitted that power?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
Liberty
to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution
for the United States of America.

I think its that bit about the genral welfare.

So in the first sentence then. LOL :)


That is the Preamble,an introduction,not the actual Constitution itself.
To "promote the general welfare" WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS of the
Constitution.
Sorry wingnut. That question has been to the SC at least twice, the
preamble IS part of the Constitution.
One could construe that "promote the general welfare" nonsense to mean
ANYTHING;unlimited power,and that is NOT what the Founders intended.

How STUPID can people be?
 
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:01:49 -0500, AZ Nomad
<aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:13:56 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:59:36 -0700, JosephKK wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:22:12 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
...
Any opinions about DI water in a battery?

Genuine DI water is typically chemically cleaner than ordinary
distilled water. The issue is whether or not it really is DI water.

I'm pretty sure it is - the shop's deionizer is right next to the
deep sink. It looks a lot like a water softener, but aren't they
pretty much the same thing?

There's no need to get too anal over it. It isn't like you're going
to be running thousands of gallons of water through a battery.

The difference between "genuine DI water" and water run through a
simple filter isn't enough to matter. If you can't taste the
difference, the battery won't care either.
Not true. It depends very much on the particular unwanted dissolved
contaminants. Dissolved arsenic just happens to be a good example.
Standard water softeners won't remove As, or most transition metals.
Bottom line, reverse osmosis it the easiest process for basic purified
(but not quite deionized) water in the presence of high metals (other
than alkaline earth [column 2A] "hard water") concentrations.
 
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:13:08 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:01:49 -0500, AZ Nomad

There's no need to get too anal over it. It isn't like you're going
to be running thousands of gallons of water through a battery.

The difference between "genuine DI water" and water run through a
simple filter isn't enough to matter. If you can't taste the
difference, the battery won't care either.

Not true. It depends very much on the particular unwanted dissolved
contaminants. Dissolved arsenic just happens to be a good example.
Standard water softeners won't remove As, or most transition metals.
Bottom line, reverse osmosis it the easiest process for basic purified
(but not quite deionized) water in the presence of high metals (other
than alkaline earth [column 2A] "hard water") concentrations.
You really have tons of arsenic in your drinking water, enough to
kill a car battery? I'd hate to live in your region.

Can you provide a single example of drinking water having enough arsenic
to kill a car battery and not send thousands to the emergency
room? I think you're talking out of your ass.

I use reverse osmosis myself, I don't bother with "geniune DI water" (what
a crock). However, I think any filtering will be more than enough and in
fact, I don't buy the theory that plain drinking water isn't fine.
It isn't like you're running thousands of gallons through a battery and
the contiminents will be left behind and build up. In the lifetime of a car
battery, less than two gallons of water will be added.
 
JosephKK wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:01:49 -0500, AZ Nomad
aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:13:56 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:59:36 -0700, JosephKK wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:22:12 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
...
Any opinions about DI water in a battery?
Genuine DI water is typically chemically cleaner than ordinary
distilled water. The issue is whether or not it really is DI water.
I'm pretty sure it is - the shop's deionizer is right next to the
deep sink. It looks a lot like a water softener, but aren't they
pretty much the same thing?
There's no need to get too anal over it. It isn't like you're going
to be running thousands of gallons of water through a battery.

The difference between "genuine DI water" and water run through a
simple filter isn't enough to matter. If you can't taste the
difference, the battery won't care either.

Not true. It depends very much on the particular unwanted dissolved
contaminants. Dissolved arsenic just happens to be a good example.
Standard water softeners won't remove As, or most transition metals.
Bottom line, reverse osmosis it the easiest process for basic purified
(but not quite deionized) water in the presence of high metals (other
than alkaline earth [column 2A] "hard water") concentrations.
I just use distilled water. It's real cheap, 80 cents a gallon or so,
no biggie. Supposed to use it in steam irons, altho I bet few do.
 
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:13:08 -0700, JosephKK <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:01:49 -0500, AZ Nomad
There's no need to get too anal over it. It isn't like you're going
to be running thousands of gallons of water through a battery.

The difference between "genuine DI water" and water run through a
simple filter isn't enough to matter. If you can't taste the
difference, the battery won't care either.
Not true. Humans can tolerate quite high levels of dissolved salts like
magnesium, calcium and sodium chlorides in drinking water.

Lead acid batteries do not like chloride contamination.
Not true. It depends very much on the particular unwanted dissolved
contaminants. Dissolved arsenic just happens to be a good example.
Standard water softeners won't remove As, or most transition metals.
Bottom line, reverse osmosis it the easiest process for basic purified
(but not quite deionized) water in the presence of high metals (other
than alkaline earth [column 2A] "hard water") concentrations.

You really have tons of arsenic in your drinking water, enough to
kill a car battery? I'd hate to live in your region.

Can you provide a single example of drinking water having enough arsenic
to kill a car battery and not send thousands to the emergency
room? I think you're talking out of your ass.
Much more likely to be chloride contamination that does the damage.
I use reverse osmosis myself, I don't bother with "geniune DI water" (what
a crock). However, I think any filtering will be more than enough and in
fact, I don't buy the theory that plain drinking water isn't fine.
Your loss. Lead acid batteries will last longer if you look after them.

It isn't like you're running thousands of gallons through a battery and
the contiminents will be left behind and build up. In the lifetime of a car
battery, less than two gallons of water will be added.
That isn't the point. It only takes a small amount of chloride impurity
to cause trouble. There is good reason why lead acid batteries use
sulphuric acid as the electrolyte.

Regards,
Martin Brown
 
Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2009-07-31, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
All in flux at this point. Low tens of mH, about an ohm, total on-time
msecs to hours, flyback diode yes but must play tricks for faster
ramp-down (nasty ...), cannot heatsink, would melt plastic.

can you do a two windining coil relay? or is quantity too low?
No, they'd have me flogged if I suggested that :)

Anyhow, I am pretty much done. Discrete transistor-level solution, the
usual. Meaning the prototype experiments will be fun, SC75 packages,
0402 or maybe even 0201. Drop a part and you'll never find it back. So
here I am, my eyes getting older and the parts on my designs becoming
smaller and smaller.

That's where I envy guys like Jim. Their IC mask geometries are also
becoming smaller but on the screen it always remains the same, or they
can even buy a larger monitor when getting older. They never have to
solder the stuff.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
"John Fool" <jfool@austininstruments.com> wrote in message news:bi7985l908vr5togu8ieqq2c1n302k3s80@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:44:27 -0700, "Richardson" <member@newsguy.com
wrote:


"Archimedes' Lever" <OneBigShit@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote in message news:lng785d8ma92m5gio168v5al25nb7bhr5i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:41:41 +0300, Paul Keinanen <keinanen@sci.fi
wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:05:42 -0400, clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:


The 6 amp motor means it draws 6 amps from the mains. It does not mean
ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts

Have you returned to constant current power distribution with 6 A
circuits ?

Arc lamps in the 1880's were specified by the number of amperes
(typically 6 A for street lighting). All lamps were series connected
and you could operate 20-25 of these in series from a 6 A DC generator
producing a 1000-1500 V DC loaded voltage. Thus, the voltage drop
across each arc lamp was about 55 V on average.


We have a winner.



What? That bologna is a winner?

---
Can you say: "Tongue in cheek?"
---

Then you don't know much about Wattage and AMP.

This is what is wrong with your winner:

ANYTHING as far as how much power it produces, other than that it
cannot produce more than 690 watts at 115 volts

---
Huh???

It's clear to me that if the motor load is resistive and draws 6 amperes
from 115VRMS mains, then the power delivered to a nonreactive mechanical
load cannot be greater than:


P = IE = 6A * 115V = 690 watts.


As a matter of fact, (so far) the three basic laws of thermodynamics
are:

1. You can't win.
2. You can't break even
3. You can't get out of the game

So, for 690 watts taken from a source, what will be delivered to the
eventual load will depend on the price exacted by the delivery system.
---

600watt can be any form of voltage, it is a combined Voltage and AMP together to form a power
of 600watt, you can't say it's fixed to 115V.

---
True, but still utter nonsense since we draw power from a voltage source
which _is_ fixed at 120V.

That means that no matter how much power we ask the source to deliver,
it will deliver it into a load which is designed to drop 120V at its
required power
---

12VDC can light up a 600watt light bulb too.

---
Sure, if the 12VDC source can supply 50 amperes into the load without

97% of car alternators can deliver more than 50A, only your dickhead can't.



sagging, but so what?
---

Stop misleading the youngsters now John Fool, don't make excuse to jump off the proper formula. Unless you never been to school of electrical engineering. You insist that power is in AMP and you assume power in car is fixed at 14V. Not always, some are less some are more, big truck uses 24V. So you were wrong. Give it up now, why is it so hard for you to admit the right thing sonofabitch?
 
On Aug 6, 11:00 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:

[snip]

WHERE in the Constitution is gov't permitted that power?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
Liberty
to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution
for the United States of America.

I think its that bit about the genral welfare.
And "promoting the general Welfare" is why the founders immediately
enacted a raft of social safety net & handout programs. Like
guaranteed
retirement, school lunches, medical care, and programs for the poor.

Except they didn't do that, because that's not what they meant. Their
aim was
to ensure the welfare of the nation as a whole, and not guaranteeing
the
prosperity or circumstance of any given individual.

Cheers,
James Arthur
 
In article <bi7985l908vr5togu8ieqq2c1n302k3s80@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

It's clear to me that if the motor load is resistive and draws 6 amperes
from 115VRMS mains, then the power delivered to a nonreactive mechanical
load cannot be greater than:
Sonny, there is NO SUCH THING as a pure Resistive for a Motor.......
 
Joerg wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2009-07-31, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

All in flux at this point. Low tens of mH, about an ohm, total
on-time msecs to hours, flyback diode yes but must play tricks for
faster ramp-down (nasty ...), cannot heatsink, would melt plastic.


can you do a two windining coil relay? or is quantity too low?


No, they'd have me flogged if I suggested that :)

Anyhow, I am pretty much done. Discrete transistor-level solution, the
usual. Meaning the prototype experiments will be fun, SC75 packages,
0402 or maybe even 0201. Drop a part and you'll never find it back. So
here I am, my eyes getting older and the parts on my designs becoming
smaller and smaller.

That's where I envy guys like Jim. Their IC mask geometries are also
becoming smaller but on the screen it always remains the same, or they
can even buy a larger monitor when getting older. They never have to
solder the stuff.

That is why I got a 47x boom microscope.

I have no problem seeing the components :)
 
On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:44:42 -0800, You <you@shadow.orgs> wrote:

In article <bi7985l908vr5togu8ieqq2c1n302k3s80@4ax.com>,
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

It's clear to me that if the motor load is resistive and draws 6 amperes
from 115VRMS mains, then the power delivered to a nonreactive mechanical
load cannot be greater than:

Sonny, there is NO SUCH THING as a pure Resistive for a Motor.......
---
Even if its inductance is tuned out?

JF
 

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