Driver to drive?

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Your heart will come calling again, aschhole. When it does, I'll still
be here. God put me here to watch the passing of the world.

It may indeed "come calling", but it will beat happily when yours leaks
out through those nasty holes in your chest and develops an air lock.

Funny. My remarks could never be perceived as a threat, because they
were not one, but yours can have no other interpretation whatsoever.

Are you sure you want to place yourself in such a position, boy?

 

[Tom Horne]

On Jul 20, 1:23 am, jk <kles...@suddenlink.net> wrote:

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
 There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..

A particular inspector in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and there IS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.

jk

Jamie
The grandfather clause in all electrical codes is our nations
prohibition against ex post facto laws. For an electrical code to be
enforceable by a government entity it has to have been adopted as an
enactment of the legislative body, at least by reference, and signed
into law. The only code that can be enforced against any given
installation is the one in legal affect at the time the work was
done. So the code itself need not contain any language exempting
existing installations from it's provisions since it is a legal
absurdity to attempt to regulate anything after the fact.

I'm not trying to be quarrelsome. I just thought that it was worth
understanding that point in discussing existing electrical
installations.
--
Tom Horne

 

[Tom Horne]

On Jul 19, 12:12 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:50:40 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <3mv765da9sgkg1k9t2iiq8lovjgea4m...@4ax.com>, jk <kles...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

 There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..
A particular inspectior in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and ther eIS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.

Well, no, but any attempt at forcing compliance with a code that didn't exist
at the time the installation was made falls under the Constitutional
prohibitions against ex post facto legislation...

Fire codes do this all the time, particularly in commercial and rental
units.  Smoke and CO detectors being prime examples.

OK Explain how requiring the installation of smoke or CO detectors in
rental or commercial properties after the enactment of the enabling
legislation is the same as applying the current electric code to a
preexisting installation.
--
Tom Horne

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Leftards

Is this your way around things you do not agree with?

You guys should start a little society.

BTW, nothing I posted had anything to do with being left or leftism or
anything else your wee wittle bwain can concoct.

You're about as dumb as it gets.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:26:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:07:28 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:56:33 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <PG86m.27$TL.25@newsfe25.iad>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Rich. wrote:


"Thomas" <royalheart39@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:Snv5m.26$C82.7@newsfe05.iad...


a foot. With THHN, I can safely install nine #12s in one 1/2" EMT, for 4
_completely independent_ 20A circuits (4 phase conductors, 4 grounded
conductors, and one grounding conductor).


Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.

I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?


He didn't say that. The context makes it very clear that by "phase conductors"
he means what the NEC refers to as "ungrounded conductors", or, in the
vernacular, "hot wires".

I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.


EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.

You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly, it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.

As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point, meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.

If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.

Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?

I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.

With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.




Then the various Licensed Electricians who installed machines etc over
the years at the factory I finished tearing down yesterday were all
doing it illegally. 75,000 sq ft and no grounds in any of the
boxes/runs.

California btw..Anaheim.


Jamie is a ham radio operator who claims to be an engineer. He is
about as bright as the 50+ sock puppet dimbulb troll.

his real name and address are:

Maynard A Philbrook, Jr
520 Pleasant St.
Willimantic Ct. 06226

He claims his company continues to use chemicals banned by the EPA,
that he reused outlets at higher than rated voltages where he works. He
pretends he is intelligent, but rarely makes a post without a dozen
spelling and punctuation errors, along with words that make no sense. A
lot like your friend Bill Sloman who cross posts here sometimes. The
old SOB who whines about everything American, and that they discriminate
against him in Europe, because he's old.


Are you done, pussy?

Do you think it is very wise posting people's private contact info
without being solicited to do so is a wise move?

And you are retarded enough to think that someone is going to be showing
up at my door?

So you are admitting that his summery of you, is correct.

Maynard.....damn...I didnt think parents would do that to kids anymore.

So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?

Dimbulb bitches about posting the information Maynard has posted to
so many sites. It only took 15 seconds to find.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:25:14 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


jk wrote:

AwlSome Auger <AwlSomeAuger@BuyOneGetOneFree.org> wrote:

Set your goddamned PC clock right, you absolute retard.

Since this is your second eloquent post----
If you can't deal with it get off the usenet, get a life, infact just
start counting on your 13 toes. Not that you are anything but a
useless, small minded, fowl mouthed, troll.
jk

He is a troll. Here are some of his sock puppets:

And here I was thinking that "Stupid Cunt" was his best and more
accurate sock puppet.

Hummmm...or was that simply an accurate discription of him....?

That would be: 'Too stupid to live'.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

[krw]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:10:08 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:01:37 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <14a4651nour85s5pch4vn2gtg4ou2hk40s@4ax.com>, Gunner Asch <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Then the various Licensed Electricians who installed machines etc over
the years at the factory I finished tearing down yesterday were all
doing it illegally. 75,000 sq ft and no grounds in any of the
boxes/runs.

You're a little late to the party, Gunner. I've already demonstrated that
Jamie doesn't have any idea what he's talking about when it comes to wiring
practices or the electrical code.

Ok...shrug..Ive been gone for 2 weeks and havent caught up yet on
Usenet.

Jamie is obvioiusly a putz of the worst sort.

He and DimBulb are sure giving it a run. DimBulb is a more
experienced putz but Jamie is quickly closing the gap.

 

[krw]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Horne
<hornetd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 19, 12:12 pm, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:50:40 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article <3mv765da9sgkg1k9t2iiq8lovjgea4m...@4ax.com>, jk <kles...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

 There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..
A particular inspectior in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and ther eIS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.

Well, no, but any attempt at forcing compliance with a code that didn't exist
at the time the installation was made falls under the Constitutional
prohibitions against ex post facto legislation...

Fire codes do this all the time, particularly in commercial and rental
units.  Smoke and CO detectors being prime examples.

OK Explain how requiring the installation of smoke or CO detectors in
rental or commercial properties after the enactment of the enabling
legislation is the same as applying the current electric code to a
preexisting installation.

They're both ex post facto laws. The buildings were existing long
before the law was passed.

 

[krw]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:27:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:26:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:07:28 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:56:33 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <PG86m.27$TL.25@newsfe25.iad>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Rich. wrote:


"Thomas" <royalheart39@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:Snv5m.26$C82.7@newsfe05.iad...


a foot. With THHN, I can safely install nine #12s in one 1/2" EMT, for 4
_completely independent_ 20A circuits (4 phase conductors, 4 grounded
conductors, and one grounding conductor).


Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.

I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?


He didn't say that. The context makes it very clear that by "phase conductors"
he means what the NEC refers to as "ungrounded conductors", or, in the
vernacular, "hot wires".

I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.


EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.

You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly, it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.

As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point, meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.

If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.

Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?

I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.

With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.




Then the various Licensed Electricians who installed machines etc over
the years at the factory I finished tearing down yesterday were all
doing it illegally. 75,000 sq ft and no grounds in any of the
boxes/runs.

California btw..Anaheim.


Jamie is a ham radio operator who claims to be an engineer. He is
about as bright as the 50+ sock puppet dimbulb troll.

his real name and address are:

Maynard A Philbrook, Jr
520 Pleasant St.
Willimantic Ct. 06226

He claims his company continues to use chemicals banned by the EPA,
that he reused outlets at higher than rated voltages where he works. He
pretends he is intelligent, but rarely makes a post without a dozen
spelling and punctuation errors, along with words that make no sense. A
lot like your friend Bill Sloman who cross posts here sometimes. The
old SOB who whines about everything American, and that they discriminate
against him in Europe, because he's old.


Are you done, pussy?

Do you think it is very wise posting people's private contact info
without being solicited to do so is a wise move?

And you are retarded enough to think that someone is going to be showing
up at my door?

So you are admitting that his summery of you, is correct.

Maynard.....damn...I didnt think parents would do that to kids anymore.

So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?


Dimbulb bitches about posting the information Maynard has posted to
so many sites. It only took 15 seconds to find.

....and DimBulb has done *exactly* the same thing to Roy (AKA
ProteusIIV).

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:48:52 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:27:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:26:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:07:28 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:56:33 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <PG86m.27$TL.25@newsfe25.iad>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Rich. wrote:


"Thomas" <royalheart39@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:Snv5m.26$C82.7@newsfe05.iad...


a foot. With THHN, I can safely install nine #12s in one 1/2" EMT, for 4
_completely independent_ 20A circuits (4 phase conductors, 4 grounded
conductors, and one grounding conductor).


Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.

I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?


He didn't say that. The context makes it very clear that by "phase conductors"
he means what the NEC refers to as "ungrounded conductors", or, in the
vernacular, "hot wires".

I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.


EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.

You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly, it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.

As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point, meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.

If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.

Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?

I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.

With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.




Then the various Licensed Electricians who installed machines etc over
the years at the factory I finished tearing down yesterday were all
doing it illegally. 75,000 sq ft and no grounds in any of the
boxes/runs.

California btw..Anaheim.


Jamie is a ham radio operator who claims to be an engineer. He is
about as bright as the 50+ sock puppet dimbulb troll.

his real name and address are:

Maynard A Philbrook, Jr
520 Pleasant St.
Willimantic Ct. 06226

He claims his company continues to use chemicals banned by the EPA,
that he reused outlets at higher than rated voltages where he works. He
pretends he is intelligent, but rarely makes a post without a dozen
spelling and punctuation errors, along with words that make no sense. A
lot like your friend Bill Sloman who cross posts here sometimes. The
old SOB who whines about everything American, and that they discriminate
against him in Europe, because he's old.


Are you done, pussy?

Do you think it is very wise posting people's private contact info
without being solicited to do so is a wise move?

And you are retarded enough to think that someone is going to be showing
up at my door?

So you are admitting that his summery of you, is correct.

Maynard.....damn...I didnt think parents would do that to kids anymore.

So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?


Dimbulb bitches about posting the information Maynard has posted to
so many sites. It only took 15 seconds to find.

...and DimBulb has done *exactly* the same thing to Roy (AKA
ProteusIIV).

No. Roy posted his own info, idiot.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:24:15 -0700, jk <klessig@suddenlink.net> wrote:

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:



Gunner

The total retard that thinks he ranks high in society. You barely rate
retard, retard. Your sig proves that.

Ahh your favorite word again, try looking up another type of "nym"
(Synonym). Or is that too much like your 9th grade summer school
homework.

The word is Psuedonym, you retarded twit.

You are vulgar, trite, small minded, dim witted, under educated,
lacking in the basic usenet social skills, and probably most social
skill in general.

Only to those that have it coming. By refusing to set your PC clock
correctly, you epitomize one that would and well should have it coming.
A few of your claimed attributes are projections by you from looking in
the mirror, however.

I've yet to see YOU post ANY useful content on ANY thing you have
commented on.

I have yet to see any document where you were commissioned to make any
such assessment. Perhaps it could be related to the fact that you have
zero capacity to make such an assessment. You are unqualified,
unsolicited, unprofessional, and too deeply entrenched into the muck that
is your flawed personality to ever make any such assessment on anyone.
That is probably why no such commission ever took place.

The closest your sputum comes to well written,

Bwuahahahahahah! You're funny.

is that it should be at
the bottom of a well used for a cess pit.

Your family use wells for cess pits often, do they?

How many water tables has your family contaminated over the centuries?

Your single claim to fame
seems to be in your ancestors, a dubious and unsupported one.

As if a dope like you could declare anything as being dubious and have
it be a credible claim.

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:56:47 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Your heart will come calling again, aschhole. When it does, I'll still
be here. God put me here to watch the passing of the world.

It may indeed "come calling", but it will beat happily when yours leaks
out through those nasty holes in your chest and develops an air lock.


Funny. My remarks could never be perceived as a threat, because they
were not one, but yours can have no other interpretation whatsoever.

Are you sure you want to place yourself in such a position, boy?

Snicker..and which threat did I pose directly to you from myself?

Be specific..use as much whitespace as necessary.

<VBG>

Gunner Asch

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Jamie]

Rich. wrote:

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:h3u1si$kh0$1@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <Hgt8m.7720$vp.2574@newsfe12.iad>, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

You should see the screw up that had to be corrected, hacked if you ask
me. we had a long run, a service installed from one of our 2000 amp sub
panel over to a machine that has a 500 HP drive in it along with some
other goodies. 3 EMT pipes were run, one for each phase, 2 1000 MCM in
each pipe.


Do you see anything wrong yet?

They ran a ground wire only in one pipe.


Hint: that isn't it.


Too easy! You cannot run the phase conductors separately like that. When
running parallel feeds like that, it should've been 2 conduits with the
3 phase conductors in each.
Yes, when installations like that, you are suppose to have a ground in each.

But the problem is, our guys, me, who ever else, didn't have
anything to do with this installation. It wasn't until later down the
road when we started to take regular IR scan shots, is when the
problem was noticed.

These pipes are very high up, it's not like they're in harms way of
people how ever, we were concerned about the accumulated dust that sits
on these EMT runs and the possibility of the insulation of the internal
wire getting soft on the tight corners.

You haven't lived until you've been in a building that has been in
existence for years from one business to another, wire hacks all over
the place.

I was asked once to look at some cable that had been installed at
some point (before my time), lying on top of a couple of rows of
fluorescent lights for a long run. It gets hot in the summer, and things
get warm up there. I went up in a lift truck, and notice the jacket of a
8 wire cable was breaking down. It is solidifying. That hasn't yet been
corrected but will have to be address at some point. I suppose the THHN
wires in it will survive.

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:36:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?

Jamie is Jamie. You are a brainless twit, on the other hand. Thanks for
exposing yourself as such, so that folks can easily recognize you and
filter and ignore you.

So it does stand for Asswipe?

Gunner

The total retard that thinks he ranks high in society. You barely rate
retard, retard. Your sig proves that.

The sig that shows that you and the rest of you Leftist drones are
simply pieces of insane/retarded meat?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Jamie]

jk wrote:

Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:



There was a transition period
allowed to give plenty of time for the switch over, mean while, they
simply did things like 480 volts in a 240 volt receptacle..

A particular inspectior in a particular jurisdiction might have
allowed this, but it would not be to code, and ther eIS NO GRANDFATHER
CLAUSE any where in the NEC.



jk
You're correct, there isn't, that has long been past.

when the change was done, there was a time period allotted to us, to
update the electrical to match the change.

Not all of it has been done in many of the old mills/factories..

The issue is that, a lot of portable equipment is used from one
process to another, locations change and so on. One has the correct
plug, where the other does not. So, most of the time, the shortest way
is taken during portable equipment relocation.

When you have plant managers constantly at you, you tend to find the
fastest way to make them happy. Of course, when something goes wrong,
the big guy simply goes down the food chain. Facts of life.

The guy above you is never wrong, that is why you get shit on, and
all you see when you look up, is an ass.


So many live in closets!..

 

[krw]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:55:07 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:48:52 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:27:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:26:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:07:28 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:56:33 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:

In article <PG86m.27$TL.25@newsfe25.iad>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Rich. wrote:


"Thomas" <royalheart39@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:Snv5m.26$C82.7@newsfe05.iad...


a foot. With THHN, I can safely install nine #12s in one 1/2" EMT, for 4
_completely independent_ 20A circuits (4 phase conductors, 4 grounded
conductors, and one grounding conductor).


Actually, by code you can have 6 phase conductors, 3 neutrals, and use
the EMT as your ground, giving you 6 circuits instead of just 4.

I would like to know where you have 6 phase service?


He didn't say that. The context makes it very clear that by "phase conductors"
he means what the NEC refers to as "ungrounded conductors", or, in the
vernacular, "hot wires".

I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.


EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc..
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.

You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly, it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.

As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point, meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe.

If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.

Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?

I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.

With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.




Then the various Licensed Electricians who installed machines etc over
the years at the factory I finished tearing down yesterday were all
doing it illegally. 75,000 sq ft and no grounds in any of the
boxes/runs.

California btw..Anaheim.


Jamie is a ham radio operator who claims to be an engineer. He is
about as bright as the 50+ sock puppet dimbulb troll.

his real name and address are:

Maynard A Philbrook, Jr
520 Pleasant St.
Willimantic Ct. 06226

He claims his company continues to use chemicals banned by the EPA,
that he reused outlets at higher than rated voltages where he works. He
pretends he is intelligent, but rarely makes a post without a dozen
spelling and punctuation errors, along with words that make no sense. A
lot like your friend Bill Sloman who cross posts here sometimes. The
old SOB who whines about everything American, and that they discriminate
against him in Europe, because he's old.


Are you done, pussy?

Do you think it is very wise posting people's private contact info
without being solicited to do so is a wise move?

And you are retarded enough to think that someone is going to be showing
up at my door?

So you are admitting that his summery of you, is correct.

Maynard.....damn...I didnt think parents would do that to kids anymore.

So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?


Dimbulb bitches about posting the information Maynard has posted to
so many sites. It only took 15 seconds to find.

...and DimBulb has done *exactly* the same thing to Roy (AKA
ProteusIIV).


No. Roy posted his own info, idiot.

You really are a liar, DimBUlb.

 

[krw]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:18:39 -0400, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Rich. wrote:


"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:h3u1si$kh0$1@news.eternal-september.org...

In article <Hgt8m.7720$vp.2574@newsfe12.iad>, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

You should see the screw up that had to be corrected, hacked if you ask
me. we had a long run, a service installed from one of our 2000 amp sub
panel over to a machine that has a 500 HP drive in it along with some
other goodies. 3 EMT pipes were run, one for each phase, 2 1000 MCM in
each pipe.


Do you see anything wrong yet?

They ran a ground wire only in one pipe.


Hint: that isn't it.


Too easy! You cannot run the phase conductors separately like that. When
running parallel feeds like that, it should've been 2 conduits with the
3 phase conductors in each.
Yes, when installations like that, you are suppose to have a ground in each.
But the problem is, our guys, me, who ever else, didn't have
anything to do with this installation. It wasn't until later down the
road when we started to take regular IR scan shots, is when the
problem was noticed.

You really are clueless!

These pipes are very high up, it's not like they're in harms way of
people how ever, we were concerned about the accumulated dust that sits
on these EMT runs and the possibility of the insulation of the internal
wire getting soft on the tight corners.

DO us all a favor - *never* touch electricity again!

You haven't lived until you've been in a building that has been in
existence for years from one business to another, wire hacks all over
the place.

The one you've worked in, I can only imagine.

I was asked once to look at some cable that had been installed at
some point (before my time), lying on top of a couple of rows of
fluorescent lights for a long run. It gets hot in the summer, and things
get warm up there. I went up in a lift truck, and notice the jacket of a
8 wire cable was breaking down. It is solidifying. That hasn't yet been
corrected but will have to be address at some point. I suppose the THHN
wires in it will survive.

Unless they let you at it, perhaps.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:17:07 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:56:47 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:28 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Your heart will come calling again, aschhole. When it does, I'll still
be here. God put me here to watch the passing of the world.

It may indeed "come calling", but it will beat happily when yours leaks
out through those nasty holes in your chest and develops an air lock.


Funny. My remarks could never be perceived as a threat, because they
were not one, but yours can have no other interpretation whatsoever.

Are you sure you want to place yourself in such a position, boy?

Snicker..and which threat did I pose directly to you from myself?

Be specific..use as much whitespace as necessary.

What makes you think that documentation of the act means anything to
me?

VBG

No. You are a Very Big Retard. You can grin as big as you want about
that. Check your six often.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:19:06 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:36:58 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:


So does your first name explain your dementia? Or does the A stand for
Asswipe?

Jamie is Jamie. You are a brainless twit, on the other hand. Thanks for
exposing yourself as such, so that folks can easily recognize you and
filter and ignore you.

So it does stand for Asswipe?

You still don't get it. Jamie is Jamie, not me. Nobody other than you
attempted to claim that we were the same person.

You are a total retard, either way.

Gunner

The total retard that thinks he ranks high in society. You barely rate
retard, retard. Your sig proves that.

The sig that shows that you and the rest of you Leftist drones are
simply pieces of insane/retarded meat?

It isn't a sig, as you are too retarded to post it properly, so it
doesn't even qualify. It also makes you a troll as you have been told by
others that you are not posting it correctly, so your blatant disregard
for the protocol means that your presence here is for no other reason
than to ignore the conventions that have been in place for decades.

Maybe one day you'll get that fact.

It is pretty stupid, however, as is the author, as are you.

And no, I am not a 'leftist', and no, the word is not capitalized,
idiot.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:51:56 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

No. Roy posted his own info, idiot.

You really are a liar, DimBUlb.

The post I made was a quoted post *made by him* in the other groups he
used to offend people in.

Fuck you, Williams.