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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:18:40 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:
snip
You're about ignorant as they come.
I hope for the sake of others, you never got involved in projects
that actually involved human contact or any one in the perimeter of your
handy work!.
Seeing that you can not interpret, correctly, what is in the NEC book,
leads me to the conclusion that you may not be fit or was ever fit to be
a member of projects that involved safety with logic and
responsibility in mind.
Yes, I know your kind, make a shit load of mistakes and make sure
there are plenty below you to take the rap for your errors.
You do know that those below only see nothing but assholes when they
look up, well, I'm looking up now and guess what I see?
You may be enjoying your self shitting on those below you, but in the
end, it's you that actually isn't looking or smelling to good.
You give others that make a difference a bad image.
personally, I haven't really seen much out of you that gives me any
indication of you being very intelligent.
Take it for what's worth, it's just my observation.
The putrescence that is the KeithStain stains the group(s) with each
post he makes.
Well, don't worry, it was anonymous, so it counts for naught."atlas bugged" wrote...
""The Honest One"" wrote...
"Nomen Nescio" wrote...
As a public service to stAUKer defendants I 've
typed immediately below a form letter where you
can do yourself a big favor and save yourself
considerable expense by using it after discussing
the dollar figure items with Mr. Novins.
=====================================
Insert date ( )
Insert place ( )
I, (insert defendant name), do sincerely and
solemnly apologize to Charles Novins, Esq. and
retract my libelous and defamatory statements
about his law practice where I malaciously
intended to do great harm to Mr. Novins and
his staff via public postings on Usenet.
I will post this retraction and apology in
archivable form on all concerned news groups
monthly for 12 months and I will put up a web
page linking to it.
I, (insert defendant name), agree to pay the
sum of (insert dollar figure acceptable to Mr.
Novins) as a gesture of good will and repentance
and as restitution to the good lawyer for any
possible loss of business or prestige his
law firm may have suffered due to my
irresponsible and conspiratorial bully actions.
I, (insert defendant name),furthermore, shall
refrain from any and all future defamation and,
to demonstrate my sincerety, I am depositing
(insert large dollar amount specified by Mr. Novins)
in escrow as a good behavior bond to be forfeited if
I engage in any future defamation. This sum shall
remain in escrow for ten years after which it
shall be available for withdrawel by me provided
I've kept my word.
In exchange for the above, Mr. Novins has graciously
removed my name as defendant from his pending lawsuit.
(signature and date)
(witness (3) signatures)
Notary Seal.
Very Good letter !!
--
HJ
Actually, the poster has done a service, quite the rarity at AUK,
where
doing gratuitous damage to innocents is certainly the guiding
principle.
We're getting closer the point where such a text could come in handy!
A flurry of activity took place in the matter under discussion today.
Gee, I hope a certain former FNVW knows what his lawyer is doing.
snip Clockbrain's dribble
That Lionel Lauer (Bob Larter) is a sniveling Coward and can't even"The Great One" wrote:
"Colonel Jake" <SergeantY...@comcast.net> wrote in message
PEAT <popesna...@gmail.com
goOglin'HaHa'oUCH
:
: Hail Eris! On Jul 13, 2:54 pm, "Colonel Jake" wrote:
:
:> <froups and Subject, restored:
:
:> Seamus MacRae <smacrae...@live.ca.invalid
:>:
:>: Colonel Jake <SergeantY...@comcast.net
:>:
:>:> *when seconding an AUK nomination?*
:>:
:>:> Bob Larter <bobbylar...@gmail.com
:>:>:
:>:>: * Seamus MacRae
:>:>: Robb / - WITHDRAWN (re-nominated for Clueless Newbie)
:>:>:
:>: I'd declined my nomination.
:>:>:
:>:>: Clueless Newbie of the Month
:>:>:
:>:>: * Seamus MacRae
:>:>: Robb / phlatArse - ACCEPTED
:>:
:>: I'd declined my nomination.
:
:> What? (Seamus MacRae),
:> "Are you an GoDDAMNED-MoTHERFUCKING-KoOKTARD!!!
:> (MoTHERFUCKER),...., this particular Nominations/KoOK
:> Awards?!?!?!,...., was MoTHERFUCKING-DoNE with,
:> 7-MoTHERFUCKING-WEEKS-AGo!!! (FUCKING-AZZ-FUCKING-KoOKTARD)..."
:
:> *MuTHAFuCKA*
:
:> <SLAP
:
: He's just cluelessly trying to "decline" his nomination,
I realize that!,
"But teh Nomination(s), Second(s), Acceptance(s) and
Voting!!!,...., has past and gone!!!,...., and teh DUMBAZZ
MuTHAFuCKA, is till poasting like its an evergoing process!!!..."
Who are you going to SUCK now that Lionel Lauer has Run-Away like Pinky
Sue did ??
--
HJ
What in heaven name does this gobbledygook mean?
Nice "back-peddle" pecker-licker !!PEAT wrote:
Hail Eris! On Jul 12, 7:35 pm, "\"The Great One\"" wrote:
"Emo Haircut" wrote...
They've both award winning kooks who've now TEAMED UP!
You know them individually. Patrick, winner of the Bobo and
Tinfoil
Sombrero, is a creepy net-stalker facing a crippling court
judgment
for
being a wanker on usenet!
Persent, winner of the Golden Killfile and Busted Urinal, posts
all
day
every day, announcing his bowel movements and other pertinent data
to
an
apathetic public.
But now they've teamed up to double the kookiness! Not only has
Patrick
mimicked Persent's "pointless drivel" style of posting, he's even
gone
so far as to post using Persent's email address.
I hereby nominate Patrick Michael Sullivan and Persent for
Ministry of
Circle Jerks.
Seconds?
No more Nominations or Awards as Whinel Lionel Lauer the "Temporary
FNVW" ran away just like Pinky Sue did !!
Too bad for you that that's a delusion, isn't it?
It's amazing. Every time I spend a few days with the family, the
fuckhead thinks I've left AUK permanently.
--
Bob "for knobs" Larter
ZARA ZARA ZARAOn Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:18:40 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:10:36 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:14:57 GMT, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
In article <8u96m.21306$Il.14...@newsfe16.iad>, Jamie <jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
In article <PG86m.27$TL...@newsfe25.iad>, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:
I won't go into the use of EMT as a ground source.
EMT is explicitly permitted by the NEC as an equipment grounding conductor.
[2008 National Electrical Code, Article 250.118(4)]
Yes, on the solid run, but not after any couplings, connectors etc...
Not true. The NEC requires bonding only "where necessary to ensure electrical
continuity."
A Greed Wire is to be inserted in the pipe to insure a real grounding
system and each box is to be connected to this ground.
Really? Where in the Code is this supposed requirement found?
You can not use EMT or the like for a grounding source directly,
Nobody ever said that you could.
it
has to have a ground wire in it and the attached equipment in the
circuit also connects to this same ground.
True, but completely irrelevant. We were talking about using EMT as an
equipment grounding conductor -- which is explicitly permitted by the Code --
not using it as part of the grounding electrode system.
As for the article you popped up, I think you'll find it proteins to
the use of EMT as a grounding buss point,
Wrong.
"The equipment grounding conductor run with or enclosing the circuit
conductors shall be one or more of a combination of the following: ....
1) [Cu or Al wire]
2) Rigid metal conduit
3) Intermediate metal conduit
4) Electrical metallic tubing
.."
[2008 NEC, Article 250.118]
meaning, several grounds can
come off this point using ground clamps from a single run with no
couplings how ever, a main ground source must be bonded to this pipe..
Maybe you ought to actually read what the Code says, instead of making stuff
up.
If you truly believe otherwise, then you are practicing very dangerous
habits.
The NFPA (publishers of the NEC) apparently don't think it's dangerous to use
EMT as an equipment grounding conductor. If you believe it is, you're of
course welcome to make your objections known to them, and try to persuade them
to change their minds.
In the meantime, I'll continue to install wiring in compliance with the actual
provisions of the Code, and pay no attention to the unsubstantiated claims of
people who clearly do not know what the Code permits or prohibits.
Haven't you ever heard of galvanetic issues with EMT hardware?
Of course -- and that's why there are places where the Code prohibits its use.
I work in a manufactory facility where we still have a lot of older
machines using the access boxes as the ground sources for attached
equipment with no internal ground wire feed from the main buss. I can
say in the time that I have been there, we have seen several fires from
lose EMT hardware connections
If the EMT connections were actually loose enough to arc, that means they were
improperly installed.
Considering your ignorance of the Code, though, I think it's reasonable to
question your qualifications to determine the cause of either the arcs or the
fires.
causing arcs because the attached
equipment was having ground issues.
The problem obviously is the "ground issues" on the equipment, compounded by
improper installation of the EMT -- not the EMT itself.
With dust,oil and paint that has been apply to these machines, it
makes a nice catalysis for a fire.
Most of the time if your lucky, the lose connects will weld them
self's long enough to force the protection to initiate.
You probably ought to find a job at a place that hires _qualified_
electricians.
EMT may be ALLOWED by code, but It is still not to be RECOMMENDED as
an equipment ground..
You can use it, but I would not.
That may easily be, but the dimwitted "Jamie" is claiming that it's
against code.
You're about ignorant as they come.
I hope for the sake of others, you never got involved in projects
that actually involved human contact or any one in the perimeter of your
handy work!.
Seeing that you can not interpret, correctly, what is in the NEC book,
leads me to the conclusion that you may not be fit or was ever fit to be
a member of projects that involved safety with logic and
responsibility in mind.
Yes, I know your kind, make a shit load of mistakes and make sure
there are plenty below you to take the rap for your errors.
You do know that those below only see nothing but assholes when they
look up, well, I'm looking up now and guess what I see?
You may be enjoying your self shitting on those below you, but in the
end, it's you that actually isn't looking or smelling to good.
You give others that make a difference a bad image.
personally, I haven't really seen much out of you that gives me any
indication of you being very intelligent.
Take it for what's worth, it's just my observation.
The putrescence that is the KeithStain stains the group(s) with each
post he makes.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
There ain't one as Bob "for knobs" Larter is a complete failure as theWehre teh fuck is teh list?!!?
Joe
Invalid response - No Nominations !!Seconded!
Joe
Likely an LCL filter network. The center terminal is ground.Oops... there's that huge trace that goes right underneath the device.
So these are 3-terminal packages.
What are they?
"atlas bugged" <atlasbuggedbys...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2vg1a9.r4e.19.1@news.alt.net...
""The Honest One"" <honestj...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:leydnWncw7zr8ajXnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@centurytel.net...
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:eff1bcfd755b66fefb25ffd654ef418f@dizum.com...
As a public service to stAUKer defendants I 've
typed immediately below a form letter where you
can do yourself a big favor and save yourself
considerable expense by using it after discussing
the dollar figure items with Mr. Novins.
=====================================
Insert date ( )
Insert place ( )
I, (insert defendant name), do sincerely and
solemnly apologize to Charles Novins, Esq. and
retract my libelous and defamatory statements
about his law practice where I malaciously
intended to do great harm to Mr. Novins and
his staff via public postings on Usenet.
I will post this retraction and apology in
archivable form on all concerned news groups
monthly for 12 months and I will put up a web
page linking to it.
I, (insert defendant name), agree to pay the
sum of (insert dollar figure acceptable to Mr.
Novins) as a gesture of good will and repentance
and as restitution to the good lawyer for any
possible loss of business or prestige his
law firm may have suffered due to my
irresponsible and conspiratorial bully actions.
I, (insert defendant name),furthermore, shall
refrain from any and all future defamation and,
to demonstrate my sincerety, I am depositing
(insert large dollar amount specified by Mr. Novins)
in escrow as a good behavior bond to be forfeited if
I engage in any future defamation. This sum shall
remain in escrow for ten years after which it
shall be available for withdrawel by me provided
I've kept my word.
In exchange for the above, Mr. Novins has graciously
removed my name as defendant from his pending lawsuit.
(signature and date)
(witness (3) signatures)
Notary Seal.
Very Good letter !!
--
HJ
Actually, the poster has done a service, quite the rarity at AUK,
where
doing gratuitous damage to innocents is certainly the guiding
principle.
We're getting closer the point where such a text could come in handy!
A flurry of activity took place in the matter under discussion today.
Gee, I hope a certain former FNVW knows what his lawyer is doing.
This is Astounding News !!
--
John C.
p.s. An e-mail "update" would come in handy right about now......
It could be said that light is the ONLY object we have ever seen...Again the question will be the same, what makes Richard Feynman to say
this line..,
"Light is a new kind of object,unlike anything we have ever seen before"
Are you sure? Perhaps it is just that way where you live."RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:IPmdnUUGKqGVQM3XnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Assuming a nominal 240VAC supply, 245V is in no way "not correct" -- it's
only about a 2% overvoltage.
And since there is likely no load in shop when the install was taking
place, the 245 would be a higher than normal reading.
But I question the use of "3phase" and "245 volts" in the OP question.
Around here, 245 volts would be perfectly normal for a single phase
circuit, very high for a "standard" 208/3 phase delta.
208 three phase isn't delta. It's wye.
Harold
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:54:22 GMT, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
vordos@tds.net> wrote:
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:IPmdnUUGKqGVQM3XnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Assuming a nominal 240VAC supply, 245V is in no way "not correct" -- it's
only about a 2% overvoltage.
And since there is likely no load in shop when the install was taking
place, the 245 would be a higher than normal reading.
But I question the use of "3phase" and "245 volts" in the OP question.
Around here, 245 volts would be perfectly normal for a single phase
circuit, very high for a "standard" 208/3 phase delta.
208 three phase isn't delta. It's wye.
Harold
Are you sure? Perhaps it is just that way where you live.
Southern California distributes 208 ungrounded delta configuration in
the industrial park I was in at my last job.
Our building used one of the phases to feed a step down transformer"Capt. Cave Man" wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:54:22 GMT, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
vordos@tds.net> wrote:
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:IPmdnUUGKqGVQM3XnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Assuming a nominal 240VAC supply, 245V is in no way "not correct" -- it's
only about a 2% overvoltage.
And since there is likely no load in shop when the install was taking
place, the 245 would be a higher than normal reading.
But I question the use of "3phase" and "245 volts" in the OP question.
Around here, 245 volts would be perfectly normal for a single phase
circuit, very high for a "standard" 208/3 phase delta.
208 three phase isn't delta. It's wye.
Harold
Are you sure? Perhaps it is just that way where you live.
Southern California distributes 208 ungrounded delta configuration in
the industrial park I was in at my last job.
Sure they did. Where did you get your 120 volts from?
PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:
It was determined that it
would be necessary to standardize all voltages (just not the low
voltages we are discussing here) to allow interconnection, and direct
substitution of equipment.
Not much standardization at voltage over 600V, at all.
13.8, 12.47, 12.00 KV are all fairly common MV distribution voltages
around here.
jk
BLOW MEOn Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:54:22 GMT, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
vor...@tds.net> wrote:
"RoyJ" <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:IPmdnUUGKqGVQM3XnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Assuming a nominal 240VAC supply, 245V is in no way "not correct" -- it's
only about a 2% overvoltage.
And since there is likely no load in shop when the install was taking
place, the 245 would be a higher than normal reading.
But I question the use of "3phase" and "245 volts" in the OP question.
Around here, 245 volts would be perfectly normal for a single phase
circuit, very high for a "standard" 208/3 phase delta.
208 three phase isn't delta. It's wye.
Harold
Are you sure? Perhaps it is just that way where you live.
Southern California distributes 208 ungrounded delta configuration in
the industrial park I was in at my last job.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Id be happy to do just that. Or he can meet me in Orange County.StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt <Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:
Long after Ive had the chance to piss on your grave.
Doubtful.
What is that a pussy surfer boy threat?
I will live far longer than a twit like you.
Why don't the two of you get together. Gunner has had a month or two to recover from his
heart attack, Gunner's address is easily found if you have a basic knowledge of search
engines, hell he probably will give it to you.
Sunworshipper
"Libelers"? None from AUK, surely. You do (or did) employ drug addictsKeep trying to sew the seeds of reason, Honest-One!
The various libelers who have apologized to Mr. Novins have shown a
surprising degree of contrition and maturity. It surprised me. Use
of the form was a good idea.
HJ, I wonder if we'll see any more apology posts from former
stAUKers. It seems as if they do it because they are willing to
comply with your many requests since they pop up often after you post.
Hail Eris! On 15 July, 17:21, Charles "Atlas Bugged" Novins wrote:
Keep trying to sew the seeds of reason, Honest-One!
The various libelers who have apologized to Mr. Novins have shown a
surprising degree of contrition and maturity. It surprised me. Use
of the form was a good idea.
HJ, I wonder if we'll see any more apology posts from former
stAUKers. It seems as if they do it because they are willing to
comply with your many requests since they pop up often after you post.
"Libelers"? None from AUK, surely. You do (or did) employ drug addicts
as paralegals, Charles Novins of New Jersey.
Snarky
And these pussified retards claim to be civil members of our community.Id be happy to do just that. Or he can meet me in Orange County.
Gunner
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:44:32 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
Id be happy to do just that. Or he can meet me in Orange County.
Gunner
And these pussified retards claim to be civil members of our community.
Your heart will come calling again, aschhole. When it does, I'll still
be here. God put me here to watch the passing of the world.