Driver to drive?

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:29:25 -0700 (PDT), Proteus IIV
<proteusiiv@gmail.com> wrote:

HE SUPPLIED A QUISCENT AND UPDATED ELECTRICAL SUPPLY

quiscent is not a word, you retarded twit. Not even when a total
retard like you capitalize it.

Something tells me that you do all caps because you are sitting at a
cell phone tapping this drivel in, and are too stupid AND too lazy to
learn how to type in lower case. The sad part is that you actually spend
time keying in your tripe on a cellphone.

If that is not the case, and you actually have a caps lock key right
there in front of you, then you are the biggest retard that EVER hit
Usenet.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:57:43 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

There goes the KeithStain retard again, thinking that he manipulates
people with his wee wittle bwain.

Face it, asswipe. You are wrong... again.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:08:07 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

Doug Miller wrote:
Yes, I'm afraid you are missing the point. Different locations, even though
attached to the same local grid, may have different supply voltages because
they are receiving those supplies through different transformers.

I got that. What is wrong is that the person who wrote that originally (was
it you?) used that to explain why a regular house outlet could be 220 volts
on one side of town, and 240 volts on another, both connected to the same
"grid".

There's going to be some variation, but not that much.


Nonsense! Do you believe that the entire town is powered by a single
substation, and that there are no I/R losses? It IS possible that an
older part of a town hasn't been upgraded in a long time, and that the
additional load pulls the line voltage down at the end of a MV feed
while another site is closer to a substation and has higher voltage
available to the building.

The stipulation was "one side" and "the other side", which sounds to me
like the windings of a single center tapped transformer, so NO, there is
NO way that there could be that much of a variance between the two,
dipshit.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:25:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ayup..and if you put a plug and cord on a CNC machine..it too is
"temporary" and doesnt require a license to do.

Gunner

Wrong. Plugging in the machine does not. Wiring up the cord to the
machine does not, but installing the wiring run, even if to an outlet to
feed the machine does.

Yes... even in California.

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:26:34 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:12:13 -0400, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:28:50 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:


A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few
electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets.
Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent
mains connection or is connected by a cord.


I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.
And what is your definition of a line cord?

You've never seen 3 Wire with ground, plugs connected to cords on
electrical equipment?


Not 5kW machinery, no. D'oh!

Then you are a simple minded (already show us that) buffoon who probably
is the mail boy in a lawyers office.

Shrug...you are among machinests and machine workers son..and you
honestly look like an utter twit when you get your snit on.

Gunner


"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:29:53 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:26:17 -0400, William Bagwell
use-other@s.this.one.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:12:04 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:28:50 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:


A CNC machine is something different than a light bulb. Few
electricians know more than how to connect a light bulb and outlets.
Besides, the story doesn't tell whether the machine has a permanent
mains connection or is connected by a cord.

I know of zero CNC machines that operate from a line cord.

While a router is not as glamorous as a lathe or mill, I do believe they are
still considered a machine. Controlled via CNC makes them <gasp> a CNC
machine...

And yes, many of them have cords with plugs. Need pictures?

A little printer that cuts out stickers is technically a "CNC Machine"
as well.

It would depend.

The term usually refers to much larger load devices, not your Sears
sign router. Also, a good hint was that he had to have wiring ran for
it.

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:42:41 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:06:48 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

He must not get out much....shrug.

You two are Usenet retards for being presumptuous little adolescent
acting twits. But we already knew that about you both.

And in most of California..that means far far different requirements
..legally.. than does hardwiring.

Gunner

California uses the NEC, you fucking retard.

Of course it is different. And it isn't "most of California" It is ALL
of Cali. you retarded twit.

Really? Dayam. I use the NEC as well. The only thing is..most of
California didnt use the NEC to make all the same laws.

But then...you are far far too ignorant to fathom that bit of data.

Im about to put you in the Bozos kill file as you are becoming an
obnoxious little turd.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:18:54 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

then you are the biggest retard that EVER hit
Usenet.

With you being the sole exception?

Dont hold yourself too high..there are actually knowledgeable assholes
out there on the net. Little pissants like you are a dime a car load.

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:27:20 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:25:38 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Ayup..and if you put a plug and cord on a CNC machine..it too is
"temporary" and doesnt require a license to do.

Gunner

Wrong. Plugging in the machine does not. Wiring up the cord to the
machine does not, but installing the wiring run, even if to an outlet to
feed the machine does.

Yes... even in California.

Cites?

<VBG>

Your ignorance is showing again, badly. Bummer for you eh?

Gunner

"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"

Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno

 

[Baron]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:54:29 -0700, Fred Abse
excretatauris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:18:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

I'm in Truckee

Doing /done the Rubicon Trail, like you threatened?

Not yet; maybe in August.

We were walking around the Rainbow Bridge and decided to hike up to
the top of the China Wall, between a couple of tunnels and snow sheds
of the original Transcontinental Railroad. It's a nice short steep
hike over smooth stepped glacial-looking rocks, with some
3000-year-old petroglyphs here and there. Anyhow, when we got to the
top, there were a couple of guys in Jeeps. Turns out that you can
quasi-legally enter the tunnels near Sugar Bowl and drive through. One
of them is, I think, about 1600 feet long. The Brat will bring up her
Jeep in a weekend or two and we'll try it.

ftp://66.117.156.8/CW_Donner_Lake.jpg

ftp://66.117.156.8/CW_Tunnel.jpg

ftp://66.117.156.8/CW_sign.jpg

ftp://66.117.156.8/CW_snow_shed.jpg

ftp://66.117.156.8/CW_wall.jpg

It's a "gravity wall" constructed for the roadbed by hand, from
natural uncut rocks, no cement.

The road is Donner Pass Road, old California route 40, a section of
the original Lincoln Highway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Highway


Bronze marker courtesy E Clampus Vitus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Clampus_Vitus

Cool stuff.

John

Very nice photos !

TFS.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:55:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Shrug...you are among machinests and machine workers son..and you
honestly look like an utter twit when you get your snit on.

I knew what a 10 thousandth inch tolerance was before I was 7 years
old, way back in '67. Likely years before you did, fuckhead.

I think I have more on the ball than your machinIsts (learn to spell,
retard) and your machine workers do.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT), osr@uakron.edu wrote:

The tap chart on my lasers runs 195-250, and they are a late 70s
design.

No one has ever answered my question, was he hooking up to a junction
box, pigtail, or direct to the taps?

Still I believe the guy is off the hook because there is no evidence
that either the setup manual was followed or a machine tech was called
in to set up the machine.

Would be nice to know what he was wiring to, as it slams down a lot of
this debate.

Also its scary how many SEDers have different interpretations of the
US Code and Practice. And as I look some of this up, often times both
sides in a given argument are correct.

Steve

Not to mention a lot of important missing information.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:56:26 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

A little printer that cuts out stickers is technically a "CNC Machine"
as well.

It would depend.

Absolutely not, you retarded fuck.

It has a micro-controller that translates the data on your computer to
cut strokes. That IS the very definition of CNC. You are just so
retarded that you think the term has only one meaning.

Sorry, but even though someone did not have to program each move, the
computer does program each move, and that is done numerically.

You lose, yet again.

 

[StickThatInYourPipeAndSmo]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:59:00 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Im about to put you in the Bozos kill file as you are becoming an
obnoxious little turd.

You're about a goddamned retard for announcing your filter file edit
sessions in Usenet, as if anyone here gives a fat flying fuck what you
read.

You are pathetic. The lack of punctuation alone indicates that fact.

 

[JosephKK]

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:55:44 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
<jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:2c4255llu752cugj37adfue3rsdc1cf90v@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:11:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

It is not regular practice to inform the owner, unless something is found
to
be wrong. Having 245v in the building is not normal


Its VERY normal in California..at least in the LA area.

These service voltages are relics from the 50's/early sixties, not normal.
The standard three phase service in LA county is 208VAC - by agreement and
law.

Primary power customers have a choice of one other supply voltage AFAIK and
it isn't 240.
Where do you get this stuff from?

JC

You, sir, are in error. I have ordered may services from LADWP and
SCE and 120/240 single phase is the most common and standard. I have
also ordered 240 V, 3 phase a few times, Also quite standard. I even
once ordered 480/277 V, 3 phase, also standard. Even 120/208 V, 3
phase can be ordered, though it is not standard at the service level.
YMMV

 

[Richard Cranium]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:27:01 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
<Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:59:00 -0700, Gunner Asch
gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

Im about to put you in the Bozos kill file as you are becoming an
obnoxious little turd.

You're about a goddamned retard for announcing your filter file edit
sessions in Usenet, as if anyone here gives a fat flying fuck what you
read.

You are pathetic. The lack of punctuation alone indicates that fact.

Nonsense! Many here are very interested. It's very funny watching
you flounder around before someone finally calls you out. You're such
a loser and the funny part is you don't have a clue that you're being
revealed as the buffoon you are.

 

[Richard Cranium]

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:00:55 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:18:54 -0700, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
Zarathustra@thusspoke.org> wrote:

then you are the biggest retard that EVER hit
Usenet.

With you being the sole exception?

Dont hold yourself too high..there are actually knowledgeable assholes
out there on the net. Little pissants like you are a dime a car load.

Gunner

I disagree. Archie is unique. It's rare to find someone who thinks

he is the ultimate fountain of inexhaustible knowledge as Archie does,
while at the very same time he continuously reveals himself to be a
fucking moron. He is a Usenet pińata.

 

[Rich.]

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
news:ggt255p7rnfffdva5sq20djnj7lsc7ript@4ax.com...

On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:06:26 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net
wrote:


I could go on and on posting these links, but I don't see any reason to
beat
you over your head with your own ignorance.

Yes, please do. ...for *every* jurisdiction in the US.

Better yet, why don't you post what jurisdictions (states) in the USA do not
regulate the electrical trade. I guarantee that your list would be smaller
than mine, if your's exists at all.

 

[Rich.]

"Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:2Qn4m.6913$iz2.1189@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

Nonsense. There are *many* areas of the U.S. in which there is *no*
regulation
of the electrical trade.

Such as....?

 

[John R. Carroll]

"JosephKK" <quiettechblue@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9e0455pk7hjnodp0em0ik7cevmiaqbp43o@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:55:44 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
<jcarroll@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:

"Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:2c4255llu752cugj37adfue3rsdc1cf90v@4ax.com...
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:11:31 -0400, "Rich." <rcres@XXcomcast.net> wrote:

It is not regular practice to inform the owner, unless something is found
to
be wrong. Having 245v in the building is not normal


Its VERY normal in California..at least in the LA area.

These service voltages are relics from the 50's/early sixties, not normal.
The standard three phase service in LA county is 208VAC - by agreement and
law.

Primary power customers have a choice of one other supply voltage AFAIK and
it isn't 240.
Where do you get this stuff from?

JC

"You, sir, are in error. "

Perhaps, but I think we are talking about two different things.

" I have ordered may services from LADWP and
SCE and 120/240 single phase is the most common and standard. I have
also ordered 240 V, 3 phase a few times, Also quite standard. I even
once ordered 480/277 V, 3 phase, also standard. Even 120/208 V, 3
phase can be ordered, though it is not standard at the service level."

Yes, we are.
In LA County, by law, the standard three phase service that is REQUIRED to
be supplied in 208 VAC.
Any service provider MUST make that avaliable at their expense.
Beyond that it's negotiable.

"YMMV"
It has. I tried to have a 480 service upgraded in the late 90's. We were
going to install the equivalent of an additional 2500 HP of electrical motor
loads as an expansion to an injection molding company. SCE was happy as hell
to make the runs and do the underground but there was a catch. We had to
agree to a ten year contract and put in the vault ourselves. That seemed
short sighted on their part to me and with the landlord wanting to raise our
rent 20%, we bought a 40,000 Sq. foot tilt up building in an unincorporated
area of the county just down the street and adjusted the purchase price to
cover the electrical, and other, service upgrades. DPW was the provider so
it really worked out well. SCE customers saw their rates sky rocket while
mine didn't budge and SCE was just out the sales. It was a real competetive
advantage.

What you can get, and what has got to be made avaliable, are two very
different things. Unless there is some reaspn to pay for it, people go with
the standard/coded hook ups.

I also wouldn't let an amateur like Gunner touch anything over 24V. The
stories he's told of his exploites and the fact that he can't command more
that $20.00/hr for his time in a $140.00 market speak for themselves. I can
just see him pulling 2500 MCM and bringing an entire structure down on his
head.

JC